Power Rankings comedy

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Hey, Moneypuck changed their Power Rankings model. The Jets are currently 4th:
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How is ottawa hanging on...

 

[Buffdog]

I don't know who Scott Maxwell is, he doesn't seem to have any work beyond the daily faceoff power rankings but he's comically against the Jets. He's been claiming the "underlying numbers" aren't good. And he declared them as collapsing during their rough patch a while back.
Who knows. The Jets keep defying his "underlying numbers." If the Jets finish in the top 10 or more. Maybe the underlying numbers aren't accurate?
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I thought maybe that that guy is one could be one of the more negative posters on HFJets... until I saw that he has them 3rd.

That's WAY higher than many here have them lol

 

[Gm0ney]

I thought maybe that that guy is one could be one of the more negative posters on HFJets... until I saw that he has them 3rd.

That's WAY higher than many here have them lol

It's a grudging 3rd - and he's switched to complaining about their imagined future playoff performance...and, uh, lack of depth??? I don't think any team has more balanced scoring (10 players 0.5 pts/gp, 3 over 1.0 pts/gp)...plus a Vezina caliber goalie.

"It takes more than 4 players to win a Stanley Cup" alright, dipshit...

 

[Romang67]

If you're going to do write-ups that contain self-admitted bias against a team, at least own it in your actual power ranking of the team, you coward.

 

[gojetsgo]

Hunter: Can’t win without those four to begin with! Besides, they have Nik Ehlers, Nino Niederreiter, Cole Perfetti, and even Neal Pionk is getting in there from the blue line. That’s legitimate depth that you need if you want to win 16 more games after mid April.

Scott: OK, so you named one player who coaches are allergic to giving ice-time to, a solid but unproven youngling, and two players having career outlier years. Give me a strength, and I’ll make it a flaw baby!

 

[Skidooboy]

another slap in the Face.

Jets have held the ROW category since pretty much day one.
Jets have been 1/2 in the league in points since pretty much day 1
Jets have carried on exactly where they left off last reg season and maintained excellence(outside of 2 1/2 bad games in the playoffs) in their division conference and league.
in pretty much every case...the Games in Hand teams have held has not enabled them to catch the Jets, as the Jets keep winning.

As for the "dip"?
I really don't see it..... outside of a crazy october Jets have been pretty much a constant. well above .500 and winning the majority of the Big games...
October. 9-1
November. 9-5
Dec.9-5-1
Jan.7-3-2 (so far)

14-5-0 against our division
22-9-3 against the west.....
2 of the top 5 goal scorers. two in the top ten points scorers
GOAT tender.....

They barely get national coverage. TSN Columnists today for instance. looking at the articles. from today working backwards to Jan 1...Leafs Leafs Leafs draft, Flames Leafs Flames Leafs Leafs leafs leafs Leafs leafs leafs western wildcard Leafs Flames Trade bait Leafs Leafs Flames Caps/Ovie Toronto Hockey, Team Canada Team Canada

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The main boards here don't have a Jets discussion till what? page 2 or three, and it's "Are the Jets and Caps PDO merchants?" or some bullshit about how THE JETS ARE JUST LUCKY .

for the last two years we have been ELITE....and all they do is underestimate us, throw out BS "well yeah but you lost in the first round so clearly the team is no good"

Slap slap slap....in the face. No respect, no attention.

 

[MyNameIsTaken]

another slap in the Face.

Jets have held the ROW category since pretty much day one.
Jets have been 1/2 in the league in points since pretty much day 1
Jets have carried on exactly where they left off last reg season and maintained excellence(outside of 2 1/2 bad games in the playoffs) in their division conference and league.
in pretty much every case...the Games in Hand teams have held has not enabled them to catch the Jets, as the Jets keep winning.

As for the "dip"?
I really don't see it..... outside of a crazy october Jets have been pretty much a constant. well above .500 and winning the majority of the Big games...
October. 9-1
November. 9-5
Dec.9-5-1
Jan.7-3-2 (so far)

14-5-0 against our division
22-9-3 against the west.....
2 of the top 5 goal scorers. two in the top ten points scorers
GOAT tender.....

They barely get national coverage. TSN Columnists today for instance. looking at the articles. from today working backwards to Jan 1...Leafs Leafs Leafs draft, Flames Leafs Flames Leafs Leafs leafs leafs Leafs leafs leafs western wildcard Leafs Flames Trade bait Leafs Leafs Flames Caps/Ovie Toronto Hockey, Team Canada Team Canada

Hockey

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The main boards here don't have a Jets discussion till what? page 2 or three, and it's "Are the Jets and Caps PDO merchants?" or some bullshit about how THE JETS ARE JUST LUCKY .

for the last two years we have been ELITE....and all they do is underestimate us, throw out BS "well yeah but you lost in the first round so clearly the team is no good"

Slap slap slap....in the face. No respect, no attention.

Worth noting last time I checked the PDO merchant thread crowd were more willing to give the Jets the “real” tag than the Caps, so it ain’t all bad.

 

[Gm0ney]

Worth noting last time I checked the PDO merchant thread crowd were more willing to give the Jets the “real” tag than the Caps, so it ain’t all bad.

Hellebuyck's consistently well above average in SV%, so it raises the Jets' PDO floor. This year's 5v5 PDO is all Hellebuyck.

If you're looking at all-strengths PDO, it's part Hellebuyck, part the crazy powerplay SH% (which does seem unsustainably high).

 

[MyNameIsTaken]

Hellebuyck's consistently well above average in SV%, so it raises the Jets' PDO floor. This year's 5v5 PDO is all Hellebuyck.

If you're looking at all-strengths PDO, it's part Hellebuyck, part the crazy powerplay SH% (which does seem unsustainably high).

I’m on board with that! Poster was using that thread as an example of people downplaying the Jets success. I thought the people _in_ that thread were generally *not* downplaying the Jets success though, so wanted to add that little bit of context!

 

[DRW204]

Worth noting last time I checked the PDO merchant thread crowd were more willing to give the Jets the “real” tag than the Caps, so it ain’t all bad.

yup. SV% is a majority of the PDO stat. Helle is consistently among the best in SV%, GA vs xGA, and further exemplified in Vezina finalist appearances.

 

[Jets 31]

Can you imagine if the Leafs were having our season? They would be higher than number 1 .

 

[Buffdog]

Hellebuyck's consistently well above average in SV%, so it raises the Jets' PDO floor. This year's 5v5 PDO is all Hellebuyck.

If you're looking at all-strengths PDO, it's part Hellebuyck, part the crazy powerplay SH% (which does seem unsustainably high).

The thing about the Jets and their 23.3 SH% on the PP is that they rank 21st in unblocked shot attempts on the PP

It seems like it's by design that they're passing up low percentage shots for high percentage shots

I'm curious as to what their heat map for both shots and goals on the PP are vs other teams

 

[Gm0ney]

The thing about the Jets and their 23.3 SH% on the PP is that they rank 21st in unblocked shot attempts on the PP

It seems like it's by design that they're passing up low percentage shots for high percentage shots

I'm curious as to what their heat map for both shots and goals on the PP are vs other teams

The Jets powerplay has really good options from everywhere - Vilardi in front of the net, Scheifele in the bumper, Connor blasting one-timers from the right circle, Ehlers on the left point or left circle to stir the drink if the first three aren't working, and Morrissey at the tip of the umbrella. All five of them can shoot, pass or skate. Zone entries are a million miles better this season too.

But other teams have had just as good players on the powerplay and 20% SH has only been broken a few times since 2007-08 (and only once in a full season)...and the Jets are shooting nearly 24%.

Caps in 2012-13 (lockout shortened 48 game season): 20.09%
Tampa in 2018-19: 21.64%
Oilers in 2019-20 (pandemic shortened 71 game season): 20.27%
Jets in 2024-25 (51 games in): 23.71%

The Jets powerplay is shooting 2% better than Stamkos-Kucherov-Point-Hedman-JT Miller. I think there may be some regression in the future...

 

[castle]

The Jets powerplay has really good options from everywhere - Vilardi in front of the net, Scheifele in the bumper, Connor blasting one-timers from the right circle, Ehlers on the left point or left circle to stir the drink if the first three aren't working, and Morrissey at the tip of the umbrella. All five of them can shoot, pass or skate. Zone entries are a million miles better this season too.

But other teams have had just as good players on the powerplay and 20% SH has only been broken a few times since 2007-08 (and only once in a full season)...and the Jets are shooting nearly 24%.

Caps in 2012-13 (lockout shortened 48 game season): 20.09%
Tampa in 2018-19: 21.64%
Oilers in 2019-20 (pandemic shortened 71 game season): 20.27%
Jets in 2024-25 (51 games in): 23.71%

The Jets powerplay is shooting 2% better than Stamkos-Kucherov-Point-Hedman-JT Miller. I think there may be some regression in the future...

As long as that future is next year then we're all good

 

[Whileee]

Since the beginning of last season (133 games ago) the Jets have the best points %, most wins and highest goal differential in the NHL. Doesn't feel like a fluke to me, and statistically the sample size is way too big to suggest that they are ready to regress to some mean based on shot metrics. They're simply a very good team with the best goalie.

 

[Skidooboy]

I’m on board with that! Poster was using that thread as an example of people downplaying the Jets success. I thought the people _in_ that thread were generally *not* downplaying the Jets success though, so wanted to add that little bit of context!

PDO is a joke. it's as valuable as +/-, maybe less.

MY point is that yes while the posters on that thread are saying the Jets are a good team.(kinda, more like saying we 100% have Helle to thank) ..the actual OP's question is in itself dismissive.

furthermore...that's only one of the examples I mentioned.....

you cannot deny that the Jets are massively under reported on, and often ignored by the media....

If Toronto was at the top of the standings...well....we'd get endless Toronto coverage...and discussion..(which is what we get anyway.) Jets ?

look at last year. we were on first or second place about now in the standings…. and the headlines were about empty barns and “are the jets leaving!!!” “Bettman in winnipeg to address poor sales”etc…

The media would rather push a “jets in trouble” narrative than a “Jets are top of the league” narrative.

again this offseason.
i remember the story.
TSN “ Assuming the leafs oilers and Canucks make the playoffs, what other Canadian team will”
and “Jets will struggle all season just to make a wild card “….

after leading in ROW putting up 110 and finishing 4th overall….

see how that subtly puts the jets out of the conversation?
i can go on…

 

[RabidOne]

Been watching ESPN,s ranking all year. They seem to have no anti-Jets bias:

NHL Power Rankings: Capitals retain the crown, plus each team's most intriguing game before 4 Nations

Alex Ovechkin & Co. continue to impress our voting panel. And which games should fans of each team circle on the upcoming slate?

www.espn.com

Also nice to note in the Edmonton ranking they say Winnipeg and Edmonton have the best chance of bringing the cup back to Canada. What no Leafs bias?

 

[Buffdog]

Been watching ESPN,s ranking all year. They seem to have no anti-Jets bias:

NHL Power Rankings: Capitals retain the crown, plus each team's most intriguing game before 4 Nations

Alex Ovechkin & Co. continue to impress our voting panel. And which games should fans of each team circle on the upcoming slate?

www.espn.com

Also nice to note in the Edmonton ranking they say Winnipeg and Edmonton have the best chance of bringing the cup back to Canada. What no Leafs bias?

First of all, it sucks that 3 of the top 8 teams there are from the Central lol

Second, I think their blurb about the upcoming Canes/Jets matchup sums up why we don't get much love from the national media:

"Feb. 4 at Jets. A potential Stanley Cup Final preview? This matchup might not set any viewership records, but it would be superb hockey."

 

[Skidooboy]

deleted. responded to wrong post

 

[MyNameIsTaken]

PDO is a joke. it's as valuable as +/-, maybe less.

MY point is that yes while the posters on that thread are saying the Jets are a good team.(kinda, more like saying we 100% have Helle to thank) ..the actual OP's question is in itself dismissive.

furthermore...that's only one of the examples I mentioned.....

you cannot deny that the Jets are massively under reported on, and often ignored by the media....

If Toronto was at the top of the standings...well....we'd get endless Toronto coverage...and discussion..(which is what we get anyway.) Jets ?

look at last year. we were on first or second place about now in the standings…. and the headlines were about empty barns and “are the jets leaving!!!” “Bettman in winnipeg to address poor sales”etc…

The media would rather push a “jets in trouble” narrative than a “Jets are top of the league” narrative.

again this offseason.
i remember the story.
TSN “ Assuming the leafs oilers and Canucks make the playoffs, what other Canadian team will”
and “Jets will struggle all season just to make a wild card “….

after leading in ROW putting up 110 and finishing 4th overall….

see how that subtly puts the jets out of the conversation?
i can go on…

Broadly agreed, the Jets are incredibly small market and boy howdy is the media/average fan biased towards the big markets. You will get no argument from me there! Just wanted to shine a little light of optimism that one of the examples you used was maybe a more positive perspective, imo. Not trying to dismiss your point as a whole

 

[Gm0ney]

Been watching ESPN,s ranking all year. They seem to have no anti-Jets bias:

NHL Power Rankings: Capitals retain the crown, plus each team's most intriguing game before 4 Nations

Alex Ovechkin & Co. continue to impress our voting panel. And which games should fans of each team circle on the upcoming slate?

www.espn.com

Also nice to note in the Edmonton ranking they say Winnipeg and Edmonton have the best chance of bringing the cup back to Canada. What no Leafs bias?

American sports networks are a bit better at spreading around the coverage and will devote attention to teams based on performance more than Canadian networks.

Like, imagine if ESPN devoted 30%-50% of it's NFL or MLB coverage to just the New York teams...it's preposterous.

 

[Skidooboy]

Been watching ESPN,s ranking all year. They seem to have no anti-Jets bias:

NHL Power Rankings: Capitals retain the crown, plus each team's most intriguing game before 4 Nations

Alex Ovechkin & Co. continue to impress our voting panel. And which games should fans of each team circle on the upcoming slate?

www.espn.com

Also nice to note in the Edmonton ranking they say Winnipeg and Edmonton have the best chance of bringing the cup back to Canada. What no Leafs bias?

ESPN had us ranked 15th in the offseason.

AFTER we led in ROW and finished 4th on 110 points.
ESPN had us struggling to make the playoffs.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

ESPN had us ranked 15th in the offseason.

AFTER we led in ROW and finished 4th on 110 points.
ESPN had us struggling to make the playoffs.

I feel that was in line with general consensus. Even amongst a lot of Jets fans.

The fact we got bounced by Colorado so easily then did nothing to “improve” in the off season. I don’t fault espn for the 15th ranking at all.

That first game against edm shocked the heck out of me.

As far as the Jets season here’s a breakdown into 16 game blocks to visualize how we have been doing.

Jets breakdown

15-1-0 - 93.75% Oct 9 to Nov 12 (35) 9H 7A

7-8-1 - 46.9% Nov 14 to Dec 14 (31) 6H 10A

9-5-2 - 62.5% Dec 17 to Jan 20 (35) 11H 5A

3-0-0 - 100% Jan 22 to Mar 7 (45) 6H 10A

I broke it into 16 just cause of the 15-1 start.

Anyways where we really slumped in a 16 game blocks, we had 10 away games. 16 games in 31 days, 2 back to backs, the most grueling road trip of the season and had Samberg and Ehlers injuries. 7-8-1 ain’t so bad for that stretch all things considered.

Numbers in () are number of days the 16 games were played over. Also included the home and away breakdown.

 

[RabidOne]

ESPN had us ranked 15th in the offseason.

AFTER we led in ROW and finished 4th on 110 points.
ESPN had us struggling to make the playoffs.

Most people said the same thing when Chevy didnt go full Nashville and spend money like a drunken sailor, including a few people on here. At least they arent doubling down on that mistake.
And another ranking:

NHL Power Rankings: 1 word to summarize each team

This is the eighth in-season edition of theScore's NHL Power Rankings for the 2024-25 campaign. Check back for updated rankings every other Monday.In this edition, we pick one word to sum up each team's season so far.Jump to:ANA | BOS | BUF | CAR | CBJ | CGY | CHI | COL | DAL | DET | EDM | FLA |...

www.thescore.com

 

[Skidooboy]

I feel that was in line with general consensus. Even amongst a lot of Jets fans.

The fact we got bounced by Colorado so easily then did nothing to “improve” in the off season. I don’t fault espn for the 15th ranking at all.

That first game against edm shocked the heck out of me.

As far as the Jets season here’s a breakdown into 16 game blocks to visualize how we have been doing.

Jets breakdown

15-1-0 - 93.75% Oct 9 to Nov 12 (35) 9H 7A

7-8-1 - 46.9% Nov 14 to Dec 14 (31) 6H 10A

9-5-2 - 62.5% Dec 14 to Jan 20 (38) 11H 5A

3-0-0 - 100% Jan 22 to Mar 7 (45) 6H 10A

I broke it into 16 just cause of the 15-1 start.

Anyways where we really slumped in a 16 game blocks, we had 10 away games. 16 games in 31 days, 2 back to backs, the most grueling road trip of the season and had Samberg and Ehlers injuries. 7-8-1 ain’t so bad for that stretch all things considered.

Numbers in () are number of days the 16 games were played over. Also included the home and away breakdown.

like a beaten dog you lick the masters hand....

"The Jets deserved to be ignored and dismissed...."

lolol....

so lets look at the last three seasons..
Record: 46-33-3 52-24-6 32-14-3(so far)
ROW: 45, 52, 34(currently)
Points: 95, 110, 71(currently)

so we get better each year, we WIN games...teams mostly bet us in the standings with OTL points....and we have the multi Veznia goalie....

but 2 1/2 bad games in the playoffs, (couple a bounces and who knows...we could have been up 3-1) and we lost a middling D man in DIllon, Monohan and tiffoli.... two old, slow rentals who pretty much stank from day 1.

and suddenly were fighting to make the post season?

I can see 15th for 23/24 power rankings...but to say 15th this offseason? lol only if you don't actually know what hockey is...

PS the Lightning Avs Bruins and Panthers all led the league, got bounced early in the post season...and none of them were ranked as poorly as the Jets....