Speculation: Potential Coaching Replacements for Jim Montgomery

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can anyone here think of a system change that could help this team improve? And what coach would/could be the voice to do it. I have to think Sacco/Leach would be the next man up, I don`t know much about either`s preferred coaching style

I see a team who are almost all playing tight, with nowhere near the attitude or system that promotes speed as we see it now.

I`m nothing more than an amateur coach though and many here have forgotten more about this game than I know.

For one or two players to be struggling I get, for so many to not being close to where they should be offensively is simply puzzling

We all knew the void of a scoring winger would be their soft spot but this doesn`t explain the majority of our forwards being completely stagnant offensively does it?
 
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can anyone here think of a system change that could help this team improve? And what coach would/could be the voice to do it. I have to think Sacco/Leach would be the next man up, I don`t know much about either`s preferred coaching style

I see a team who are almost all playing tight, with nowhere near the attitude or system that promotes speed as we see it now.

I`m nothing more than an amateur coach though and many here have forgotten more about this game than I know.

For one or two players to be struggling I get, for so many to not being close to where they should be offensively is simply puzzling

We all knew the void of a scoring winger would be their soft spot but this doesn`t explain the majority of our forwards being completely stagnant offensively does it?
Over passing, not getting pucks and bodies to the net.... looking for the perfect play
 

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To me this is a big 3 games here for Monty. The Bs hired him while he was an assistant coach for St. Louis and he was the head coach of Dallas. These two teams have some meaning to him. I’m curious to see how the players play and respond these next 3. If they play like dead fish then Monty might not make it the weekend.
 
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Jim Montgomery already was set for a meaningful week. A Tuesday game with the Bruins in St. Louis, where he began his pro playing career, and a Thursday one in Dallas, where the Stars hired and fired himfrom his first NHL head coaching job.

But there’s a lot more than nostalgia at stake for the third-year Boston coach, whose team has been so uneven through its first 16 games that management has to be wondering if he is the right man to lead them out of their malaise.

That’s how it goes in pro sports. You can’t fire a roster, but you can swap out a coach when it needs a midseason spark. If Montgomery takes the fall, it won’t be hard to know what Don Sweeney and Cam Neely were thinking.

It’s just as easy to wonder whether a coaching change will fix the mess the front office helped create, stocking a jumble full of mismatched puzzle pieces rather than a cohesive group.

Might a new voice — Joel Quenneville, Joe Sacco, Jay Leach — reach the players in ways Montgomery’s isn’t? The trick has been done before in Boston, where Montgomery was hired after a quick offseason hook of the statistically successful, but apparently too rough with his criticism Bruce Cassidy. The same place Cassidy’s discipline was valued enough that he was moved up to replace the fired Claude Julien in February 2017.

Each move paid immediate dividends. Cassidy made it all the way to a Stanley Cup Game 7 in 2019, and Montgomery won one Presidents’ Trophy and made the playoffs in each of his first two years. But you know how those ended: a stunning seven-game meltdown against Florida in the first round two years ago, and a seven-game escape against Toronto in last year’s first round only to get bombarded in Round 2 by those pesky Panthers.

Who can forget the countless too-many-men penalties or the desultory first periods, three measly shots combined in potential clinchers in Games 5 and 6, that did not reflect well on the coach? Who knows if Montgomery would even be here had the Bruins not pulled out the Game 7 overtime win against the Leafs?

Fast forward another season and it’s obvious the Bruins are still looking for a spark. For all Montgomery has tried — jawing at his captain Brad Marchand on the bench, parking his top scorer David Pastrnak for an entire third period — nothing yet has delivered the kind of consistency he needs from the players.

He keeps on trying, opening Monday’s practice with a lighthearted version of hockey-style dodgeball in which he evaded pucks being shot at him from the opposite side wall. Anything to break the tension of players gripping their sticks just a bit too tightly.

“It’s what I believe in, that there are different ways to get people to believe you’re in it together,” he told reporters Monday. “I always believe that humor/care is a better way to free the creative mind than, ‘Work harder.’ ”

On a serious note, Montgomery referenced a stress-busting team meeting before players hit the ice, and emphasized the intensity and detail of the supersized effort once they were out there.

“We were going to practice longer because we need more reps because our execution isn’t where we need it to be,” he said.

No kidding.

From big-money defenseman Charlie McAvoy, demoted off the top power play unit, to free agent defenseman Nikita Zadorov, yet to deliver on the promise of a ferocious forecheck. From newly-minted goalie Jeremy Swayman, still looking for a signature stand-on-my-head-I’ll-win-this-alone performance, to hopeful future star Matt Poitras, newly demoted to Providence. From the aforementioned Pastrnak, who headed to St. Louis looking to break a seven-game goalless streak, to hometown favorite Charlie Coyle, all but invisible.

The culprits are everywhere. They were nowhere on Saturday night, a performance that really turned the discussion on Montgomery’s future into something more ominous.

Maybe we’ll eventually look back on that third-period 0-fer as rock bottom. Maybe the aftermath of the team’s embarrassing inability to generate even one shot across the entire final stanza of their loss to the Senators will be the alarm bell that finally woke them up.

“We know we have to do much better than we’ve shown,” Pastrnak said Monday. “We have to be confident in ourselves and in the team. We know we have good players. We need to be confident and go out there and make plays and trust ourselves.”

Something has to change, because if it doesn’t, Montgomery — in the final year of his three-year contract — might pay the price with his job.
 

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Jim Montgomery already was set for a meaningful week. A Tuesday game with the Bruins in St. Louis, where he began his pro playing career, and a Thursday one in Dallas, where the Stars hired and fired himfrom his first NHL head coaching job.

But there’s a lot more than nostalgia at stake for the third-year Boston coach, whose team has been so uneven through its first 16 games that management has to be wondering if he is the right man to lead them out of their malaise.

That’s how it goes in pro sports. You can’t fire a roster, but you can swap out a coach when it needs a midseason spark. If Montgomery takes the fall, it won’t be hard to know what Don Sweeney and Cam Neely were thinking.

It’s just as easy to wonder whether a coaching change will fix the mess the front office helped create, stocking a jumble full of mismatched puzzle pieces rather than a cohesive group.

Might a new voice — Joel Quenneville, Joe Sacco, Jay Leach — reach the players in ways Montgomery’s isn’t? The trick has been done before in Boston, where Montgomery was hired after a quick offseason hook of the statistically successful, but apparently too rough with his criticism Bruce Cassidy. The same place Cassidy’s discipline was valued enough that he was moved up to replace the fired Claude Julien in February 2017.

Each move paid immediate dividends. Cassidy made it all the way to a Stanley Cup Game 7 in 2019, and Montgomery won one Presidents’ Trophy and made the playoffs in each of his first two years. But you know how those ended: a stunning seven-game meltdown against Florida in the first round two years ago, and a seven-game escape against Toronto in last year’s first round only to get bombarded in Round 2 by those pesky Panthers.

Who can forget the countless too-many-men penalties or the desultory first periods, three measly shots combined in potential clinchers in Games 5 and 6, that did not reflect well on the coach? Who knows if Montgomery would even be here had the Bruins not pulled out the Game 7 overtime win against the Leafs?

Fast forward another season and it’s obvious the Bruins are still looking for a spark. For all Montgomery has tried — jawing at his captain Brad Marchand on the bench, parking his top scorer David Pastrnak for an entire third period — nothing yet has delivered the kind of consistency he needs from the players.

He keeps on trying, opening Monday’s practice with a lighthearted version of hockey-style dodgeball in which he evaded pucks being shot at him from the opposite side wall. Anything to break the tension of players gripping their sticks just a bit too tightly.

“It’s what I believe in, that there are different ways to get people to believe you’re in it together,” he told reporters Monday. “I always believe that humor/care is a better way to free the creative mind than, ‘Work harder.’ ”

On a serious note, Montgomery referenced a stress-busting team meeting before players hit the ice, and emphasized the intensity and detail of the supersized effort once they were out there.

“We were going to practice longer because we need more reps because our execution isn’t where we need it to be,” he said.

No kidding.

From big-money defenseman Charlie McAvoy, demoted off the top power play unit, to free agent defenseman Nikita Zadorov, yet to deliver on the promise of a ferocious forecheck. From newly-minted goalie Jeremy Swayman, still looking for a signature stand-on-my-head-I’ll-win-this-alone performance, to hopeful future star Matt Poitras, newly demoted to Providence. From the aforementioned Pastrnak, who headed to St. Louis looking to break a seven-game goalless streak, to hometown favorite Charlie Coyle, all but invisible.
One of the best paragraphs I can remember from that paper.
 

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Jim Montgomery already was set for a meaningful week. A Tuesday game with the Bruins in St. Louis, where he began his pro playing career, and a Thursday one in Dallas, where the Stars hired and fired himfrom his first NHL head coaching job.

But there’s a lot more than nostalgia at stake for the third-year Boston coach, whose team has been so uneven through its first 16 games that management has to be wondering if he is the right man to lead them out of their malaise.

That’s how it goes in pro sports. You can’t fire a roster, but you can swap out a coach when it needs a midseason spark. If Montgomery takes the fall, it won’t be hard to know what Don Sweeney and Cam Neely were thinking.

It’s just as easy to wonder whether a coaching change will fix the mess the front office helped create, stocking a jumble full of mismatched puzzle pieces rather than a cohesive group.

Might a new voice — Joel Quenneville, Joe Sacco, Jay Leach — reach the players in ways Montgomery’s isn’t? The trick has been done before in Boston, where Montgomery was hired after a quick offseason hook of the statistically successful, but apparently too rough with his criticism Bruce Cassidy. The same place Cassidy’s discipline was valued enough that he was moved up to replace the fired Claude Julien in February 2017.

Each move paid immediate dividends. Cassidy made it all the way to a Stanley Cup Game 7 in 2019, and Montgomery won one Presidents’ Trophy and made the playoffs in each of his first two years. But you know how those ended: a stunning seven-game meltdown against Florida in the first round two years ago, and a seven-game escape against Toronto in last year’s first round only to get bombarded in Round 2 by those pesky Panthers.

Who can forget the countless too-many-men penalties or the desultory first periods, three measly shots combined in potential clinchers in Games 5 and 6, that did not reflect well on the coach? Who knows if Montgomery would even be here had the Bruins not pulled out the Game 7 overtime win against the Leafs?

Fast forward another season and it’s obvious the Bruins are still looking for a spark. For all Montgomery has tried — jawing at his captain Brad Marchand on the bench, parking his top scorer David Pastrnak for an entire third period — nothing yet has delivered the kind of consistency he needs from the players.

He keeps on trying, opening Monday’s practice with a lighthearted version of hockey-style dodgeball in which he evaded pucks being shot at him from the opposite side wall. Anything to break the tension of players gripping their sticks just a bit too tightly.

“It’s what I believe in, that there are different ways to get people to believe you’re in it together,” he told reporters Monday. “I always believe that humor/care is a better way to free the creative mind than, ‘Work harder.’ ”

On a serious note, Montgomery referenced a stress-busting team meeting before players hit the ice, and emphasized the intensity and detail of the supersized effort once they were out there.

“We were going to practice longer because we need more reps because our execution isn’t where we need it to be,” he said.

No kidding.

From big-money defenseman Charlie McAvoy, demoted off the top power play unit, to free agent defenseman Nikita Zadorov, yet to deliver on the promise of a ferocious forecheck. From newly-minted goalie Jeremy Swayman, still looking for a signature stand-on-my-head-I’ll-win-this-alone performance, to hopeful future star Matt Poitras, newly demoted to Providence. From the aforementioned Pastrnak, who headed to St. Louis looking to break a seven-game goalless streak, to hometown favorite Charlie Coyle, all but invisible.

The culprits are everywhere. They were nowhere on Saturday night, a performance that really turned the discussion on Montgomery’s future into something more ominous.

Maybe we’ll eventually look back on that third-period 0-fer as rock bottom. Maybe the aftermath of the team’s embarrassing inability to generate even one shot across the entire final stanza of their loss to the Senators will be the alarm bell that finally woke them up.

“We know we have to do much better than we’ve shown,” Pastrnak said Monday. “We have to be confident in ourselves and in the team. We know we have good players. We need to be confident and go out there and make plays and trust ourselves.”

Something has to change, because if it doesn’t, Montgomery — in the final year of his three-year contract — might pay the price with his job.
Nice summary of things, but other than the quotes from players and Montgomery much of the content looks like it could have been lifted and paraphrased from posts people have made in this forum. Almost everything, someone has referenced in a thread here at some point over the last month or so.
 

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can anyone here think of a system change that could help this team improve? And what coach would/could be the voice to do it. I have to think Sacco/Leach would be the next man up, I don`t know much about either`s preferred coaching style

I see a team who are almost all playing tight, with nowhere near the attitude or system that promotes speed as we see it now.

I`m nothing more than an amateur coach though and many here have forgotten more about this game than I know.

For one or two players to be struggling I get, for so many to not being close to where they should be offensively is simply puzzling

We all knew the void of a scoring winger would be their soft spot but this doesn`t explain the majority of our forwards being completely stagnant offensively does it?
Sacco is more of the same. I’d can him too. A lot of the damage is done with the team looking out of shape as a whole and disjointed.

People on here seem to like leach but I think the best thing they can do is a total overhaul of the coaches.
 
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can anyone here think of a system change that could help this team improve? And what coach would/could be the voice to do it. I have to think Sacco/Leach would be the next man up, I don`t know much about either`s preferred coaching style

I see a team who are almost all playing tight, with nowhere near the attitude or system that promotes speed as we see it now.

I`m nothing more than an amateur coach though and many here have forgotten more about this game than I know.

For one or two players to be struggling I get, for so many to not being close to where they should be offensively is simply puzzling

We all knew the void of a scoring winger would be their soft spot but this doesn`t explain the majority of our forwards being completely stagnant offensively does it?
Did you watch the Dom podcast?

On the Prospects page. I'd say they had nail meet head of hammer perfectly.
 
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If they lose in St Louis tonight, it would not surprise me at all if Montgomery is let go within a day or two.

My guess is that they will dismiss him before American Thanksgiving.
 

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it does though. when you know your linemates, what they do and where they'll be you can tailor your game to it. especially moving the puck around, you can anticipate. unfamiliarity is what leads to most mistakes on a new line because you need to anticipate and react, there's no time to think
How simple is this analysis?

It's so obvious, even I understand it.

It's unbelievable to me that he continues to shuffle the lines on a near minute to minute basis.
 

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Whats wrong with my candidates I don't follow other NHL teams that closely and just threw out 2 former players and 2 coaches that have somewhat been linked to the Bruins for a while?

Mike Babcock would be OK as well for an unpopular guy to kick the room into gear he might be a bully but he doesn't belong in prison like QUennville.
I want Joel quennville.

I want no part of Mike Babcock.
 

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I second that.
Won't happen. Not under Sweeney and Neely. Who are not going anywhere, BTW.

It would be weird for the Bruins to fire Monty before saying they're not going to fire Monty.
They specialize in that kind of thing. He's gone regardless. If they lose tonight in St Louis, it wouldn't surprise me in the least that he's gone within a few days. Perhaps before the next game.
 
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Maybe, although if they go with Sacco I can see it being a permanent hire. He was "promoted" this year to associate coach.

Wasn't Cassidy offered the job outright when he was promoted from Providence in 2017?

Bruins historically haven't gone with interim coaches often. The only one I can think of was MOC when he himself canned Ftorek.
How did that work out?

OC should have benched himself.

Blessedly, both he and Sinden got the boot. Too bad it was ten years too late.

If it happens it better be someone from outside the organization

If it happens it better be someone from outside the organization

I can almost guarantee it won't be.

Leach or Sacco.
 
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Even if the Chicago controversy never happened, I can't see a 66-year old Quennville being able to relate to a group of men in their mid-20s.

Most coach's of his generation aren't in the league anymore. His last success was a decade ago. Leave Quennville where he belongs, in the past.
He was doing very well coaching in Florida before he stepped down.
 
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Quennville is a criminal for what he covered up. Babcock is just a bully. These guys need a bully.
I am not certain I would be that harsh relative to Quenville's role in the Chicago matter.

My understanding is that he knew about it, as they all did, including Bowman, and swept it under the rug because they didn't want the "distraction" whilst successfully pursuing a Stanley Cup.

Quenneville is an excellent coach and I would hire him if I could. He is older, as Mike from Everett pointed out.

As for Babcock, I couldn't look at the guy with a straight face. He's a clown. I want no part of his foolishness.
 
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