Post your 2025 draft list

[dr1234]

Number 69 just seems like a Sabres pick to me!

 

[wetcoast]

Take whoever you think is the best player. Don’t draft for need with the first pick.

Sure except I think the difference on draft day between the top 4 won't be that great and Schaefer is really young for this draft and getting a chance at another Dman like him in a past/future draft is unlikely.

Supply/demand also has some validity here.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Sure except I think the difference on draft day between the top 4 won't be that great and Schaefer is really young for this draft and getting a chance at another Dman like him in a past/future draft is unlikely.

Supply/demand also has some validity here.

With the #1 pick? I don’t agree. And you can literally make that argument for any position. If you’re the best player in your draft, you’re likely a pretty rare proposition.

And we don’t have any idea yet what the separation will or won’t be in June. Let things play itself out.

 

[wetcoast]

With the #1 pick? I don’t agree. And you can literally make that argument for any position. If you’re the best player in your draft, you’re likely a pretty rare proposition.

Sure the higher the pick the higher the "risk" but Schaefer is simply that good IMO

And we don’t have any idea yet what the separation will or won’t be in June. Let things play itself out.

That's fair but are any of the top 4 going to be vastly different in 6 months?


I doubt it.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Sure the higher the pick the higher the "risk" but Schaefer is simply that good IMO


That's fair but are any of the top 4 going to be vastly different in 6 months?


I doubt it.

Beckett Sennecke was barely looked at as a first rounder this time last year.

 

[wetcoast]

Beckett Sennecke was barely looked at as a first rounder this time last year.

Well he was a real reach on draft day right?

I just think this year that there is a top tier with 4 guys but then again I don't follow as closely as you or some other guys in this thread but there doesn't seem to be a sennecke out there and no Russians that will drop as they are none in the top 4 and maybe not even top 10 this year.

 

[kayhud]

It's not just Sennecke. Jack Quinn from 2020, Jett Luchanko from 24, Cole Eiserman slipping last year, Slafkovsky wasn't remotely considered for 1st overall at this point in the season in 2021. Cutter Gauthier was considered a late first this time two years ago, and heck, look at Shane Wright slipping from "unarguably 1st" to 4th. So much can change, even in the last month before draft day.

 

[kayhud]

Spoiler: Pre-WJC Top 128

#1, Matthew Schaefer, LD, Canada, Erie Otters (OHL)
#2, James Hagens, C, USA, Boston College (NCAA)
#3, Michael Misa, C, Canada, Saginaw Spirit (OHL)
#4, Porter Martone, RW, Canada, Brampton Steelheads (OHL)
#5, Victor Eklund, LW, Sweden, Djurgardens (Allsvenskan)
#6, Roger McQueen, C, Canada, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)
#7, Anton Frondell, C, Sweden, Djurgardens (Allsvenskan)
#8, Jackson Smith, LD, Canada, Tri-City Americans (WHL)
#9, Caleb Desnoyers, C, Canada, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL)
#10, Lynden Lakovic, LW, Canada, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL)
#11, Malcolm Spence, LW, Canada, Erie Otters (OHL)
#12, Carter Bear, C, Canada, Everett Silvertips (WHL)
#13, Logan Hensler, RD, USA, Wisconsin (NCAA)
#14, Radim Mrtka, RD, Czechia, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL)
#15, Jake O’Brien, C, Canada, Brantford Bulldogs (OHL)
#16, Justin Carbonneau, RW, Canada, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL)
#17, Cameron Schmidt, RW, Canada, Vancouver Giants (WHL)
#18, Ivan Ryabkin, C, Russia, Dynamo Moskva (MHL)
#19, Braeden Cootes, C, Canada, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL)
#20, Blake Fiddler, RD, USA, Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL)
#21, Cameron Reid, LD, Canada, Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
#22, Cole Reschny, C, Canada, Victoria Royals (WHL)
#23, Kashawn Aitcheson, LD, Canada, Barrie Colts (OHL)
#24, Brady Martin, C, Canada, Soo Greyhounds (OHL)
#25, Cullen Potter, LW, USA, Arizona State (NCAA)
#26, Bill Zonnon, LW, Canada, Rouyn-Noranda Huskies (QMJHL)
#27, Will Moore, C, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#28, Jack Murtagh, C, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#29, Milton Gastrin, C, Sweden, MoDo (J20)
#30, Ben Kindel, RW, Canada, Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
#31, Sascha Boumedienne, LD, Sweden, Boston University (NCAA)
#32, Eric Nilson, C, Sweden, Djurgardens (J20)
#33, Kurban Limatov, LD, Russia, Dynamo Moskva (MHL)
#34, Jakob Ihs Wozniak, LW, Sweden, Lulea (J20)
#35, Ben Kevan, RW, USA, Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)
#36, Arvid Drott, RW, Sweden, Djurgardens (J20)
#37, Conrad Fondrk, C, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#38, Josh Ravensbergen, G, Canada, Prince George Cougars (WHL)
#39, Luca Romano, C, Canada, Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
#40, Adam Benak, C, Czechia, Youngstown Phantoms (USHL)
#41, Jack Nesbitt, C, Canada, Windsor Spitfires (OHL)
#42, Shane Vansaghi, RW, USA, Michigan State (NCAA)
#43, Nathan Behm, LW, Canada, Kamloops Blazers (WHL)
#44, Charlie Trethewey, RD, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#45, Carter Amico, RD, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#46, Eddie Genborg, RW, Sweden, Linkoping (J20)
#47, Melvin Novotny, LW, Sweden, Leksands (J20)
#48, Haoxi Wang, LD, China, Oshawa Generals (OHL)
#49, Cole McKinney, C, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#50, Alex Huang, RD, Canada, Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL)
#51, Henry Brzustewicz, RD, USA, London Knights (OHL)
#52, Reese Hamilton, LD, Canada, Regina Pats (WHL)
#53, Tomas Pobezal, C, Slovakia, Nitra (Slovak)
#54, Emile Guite, LW, Canada, Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL)
#55, Luka Radivojevic, RD, Slovakia, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL)
#56, Ryker Lee, C, USA, Madison Capitols (USHL)
#57, LJ Mooney, RW, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#58, Dakoda Rheaume-Mullen, LD, USA, Michigan (NCAA)
#59, Artyom Vilchinsky, LD, Russia, 1946 St. Petersburg (MHL)
#60, Jack Ivankovic, G, Canada, Brampton Steelheads (OHL)
#61, Owen Conrad, LD, Canada, Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL)
#62, Tomas Poletin, LW, Czechia, Pelicans (U20)
#63, Zeb Lindgren, LD, Sweden, Skelleftea (J20)
#64, Pyotr Andreyanov, G, Russia, Krasnaya Moskva (MHL)
#65, Viktor Klingsell, LW, Sweden, Skelleftea (J20)
#66, Zach Morin, LW, Canada, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL)
#67, Shamar Moses, RW, Canada, North Bay Battalion (OHL)
#68, Gustav Hillstrom, C, Sweden, Brynas (J20)
#69, Filip Ekberg, LW, Sweden, Ottawa 67’s (OHL)
#70, Carson Cameron, RD, Canada, Peterborough Petes (OHL)
#71, Mikkel Eriksen, C, Norway, Farjestad (J20)
#72, Karl Annborn, RD, Sweden, HV71 (J20)
#73, Vojtech Cihar, LW, Czechia, Energie Karlovy Vary (Czech)
#74, Will Sharpe, LD, Canada, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL)
#75, Jacob Rombach, LD, USA, Lincoln Stars (USHL)
#76, Theo Stockselius, LW, Sweden, Djurgardens (J20)
#77, Tyler Hopkins, C, Canada, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
#78, Ethan Czata, C, Canada, Niagara IceDogs (OHL)
#79, Semyon Frolov, G, Russia, Spartak Moskva (MHL)
#80, Peyton Kettles, RD, Canada, Swift Current Broncos (WHL)
#81, Carlos Handel, RD, Germany, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
#82, David Lewandowski, C, Germany, Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
#83, Nathan Quinn, C, Canada, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL)
#84, Roman Bausov, RD, Russia, Dynamo St. Petersburg (MHL)
#85, Michal Svrcek, C, Slovakia, Brynas (J20)
#86, Daniil Prokhorov, RW, Russia, Dynamo St. Petersburg (MHL)
#87, Jamiro Reber, C, Switzerland, HV71 (SHL)
#88, Love Harenstam, G, Sweden, Skelleftea (J20)
#89, David Bedkowski, RD, Canada, Owen Sound Attack (OHL)
#90, Jasper Kuhta, C, Finland, HIFK (U20)
#91, Quinn Beauchesne, RD, Canada, Guelph Storm (OHL)
#92, Harry Nansi, C, Canada, Owen Sound Attack (OHL)
#93, Topias Hynninen, C, Finland, Jukurit (Liiga)
#94, Mateo Nobert, C, Canada, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL)
#95, Will Belle, RW, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#96, Anthony Allain-Samake, LD, Canada, Sioux City Musketeers (USHL)
#97, Mason Moe, LW, USA, Madison Capitols (USHL)
#98, Lucas Beckman, G, Canada, Baie-Comeau Drakkar (QMJHL)
#99, Vit Zahejsky, C, Czechia, Kamloops Blazers (WHL)
#100, Mace’o Phillips, LD, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#101, Matthew Gard, C, Canada, Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
#102, Jordan Gavin, C, Canada, Tri-City Americans (WHL)
#103, Tinus Luc Koblar, RW, Norway, Leksands (J20)
#104, Will Horcoff, C, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#105, Jimmy Lombardi, C, Canada, Flint Firebirds (OHL)
#106, Oscar Davidsson, LW, Sweden, HV71 (J20)
#107, Maxim Agafonov, RD, Russia, Tolpar Ufa (MHL)
#108, Lasse Boelius, LD, Finland, Assat (U20)
#109, Daniil Skvortsov, LD, Russia, Guelph Storm (OHL)
#110, Nikita Poltavchuk, LD, Russia, Stalnye Lisy Magnitogorsk (MHL)
#111, Aaron Obobaifo, C, Canada, Vancouver Giants (WHL)
#112, Cooper Simpson, LW, USA, Shakopee (USHS)
#113, Noah Read, C, Canada, London Knights (OHL)
#114, Gavin Cornforth, RW, USA, Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)
#115, Everett Baldwin, RD, USA, Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL)
#116, Jan Chovan, C, Slovakia, Tappara (U20)
#117, Kristian Epperson, LW, USA, Saginaw Spirit (OHL)
#118, Ivan Fomin, LW, Russia, Taifun Primorsky Krai (MHL)
#119, Ludvig Johnson, LD, Switzerland, Zug (NL)
#120, Hayden Paupanekis, C, Canada, Spokane Chiefs (WHL)
#121, Alex Zharovsky, RW, Russia, Tolpar Ufa (MHL)
#122, Jesper Kotajarvi, LD, Finland, Tappara (U20)
#123, Cole Temple, C, Canada, Everett Silvertips (WHL)
#124, Alexei Medvedev, G, Russia, London Knights (OHL)
#125, Mans Goos, G, Sweden, Farjestad (J20)
#126, Ruslan Karimov, LW, Russia, Sarnia Sting (OHL)
#127, Max Psenicka, RD, Czechia, Plzen (Czech)
#128, Daniel Nieminen, LD, Finland, Pelicans (Liiga)

 

[Petes2424]

One thing’s almost a given with the NHL Draft. If there’s NOT a generational C in the Draft, you’re taking a kid who has a chance to be a generational Dman, over everyone else.

You simply don’t get the chance to draft a kid like Schaefer. Imagine Detroit or Buffalo adding him to the Dmen they already have in their lineup and prospect pool. Detroit could turn around and trade ASP to add a top forward, and still their D-Core would be insanely talented.

So as fun as players like Hagens and Misa would be, you can’t let that get in the way of drafting a kid who looks like a generational talent.

If Detroit or Buffalo gets that pick, think of the insane trade speculation? They could cash-in like we haven’t seen for a very long time. A team like Philly for example, would probably put together an insane offer for that pick. To put Schaefer with Michkov, they could almost guarantee themselves to be a very top end talented team, for over a decade, with what they already have, and have coming.

The offer would almost be too good to pass up for Detroit or Buffalo. They’d put together a package to Detroit, of something like Drysdale, Cates, 12th OVR, 19th OVR and an unprotected 2026 1st.

The crazy part is, that still might not get it done.

That’s how good people think Schaefer could be. So ask yourself, would you trade Makar for that Philly offer I just made up? I wouldn’t. I don’t think I would if I’m Detroit and they added Luchanko as well. There’s no guarantees at those other picks and Drysdale and Cates are disappointing right now.

The offers will be wild though, if it’s Detroit or Buffalo with that #1 overall. Even from a team drafting 3rd or 4th, when they’d still be guaranteed Misa, Hagens or Martone. If Chicago has 4th OVR, they'd probably still put together some crazy offer to get Schaefer.

Just don’t see anyone passing on him. He’s gonna likely change your team into a contender for 10-15 years. Imagine if Colorado had Seider, Edvinsson, Wallinder and ASP added to Makar?? I can guarantee you Detroit would be imagining that if they sat there with the 1st Overall Pick this year. With the forwards they have and have coming??? You just can’t trade that pick, and can’t call that pick in fast enough.

If Schaefer doesn’t go 1st OVR, something would have happened between now and draft day.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

As a Sharks fan who wants Schaefer? Maybe I’m being overly hopeful, but I feel like Philly would rather have a C for Michkov than a Dman.

On the flip side, I feel like Martone would be behind Misa, Schaefer, and possibly Hagens would be prioritized over Martone. They’ve got lots of skilled size in Carlsson, Sennecke, McTavish, and Gauthier. They’re loaded with young puck moving D, quality wingers, and have a nice 1-2 punch in center (even with a slower start for McTavish), so they could go in any direction, while Martone seems to very much be a Ducks’ type pick, but Schaefer looks like he’d be clearly their best D prospect.

The others look about right to me though.

Flyers need both a future 1D, and a 1C. If they had 1OA I think they would draft whoever they have rated as BPA between Misa, Hagens, and Schaeffer. Chris Therrien, who is close friends with Keith Jones has been saying they are really high on Hagens.

 

[samsagat]

1- Martone
2- Schaefer
3- Hagens
4- Misa
5- McQueen
6- Eklund
7- Desnoyers
8- Smith
9- Spence
10- Frondell
11- Hensler
12- Bear
13- Lankovic
14- Aitchison
15- Mrtka
16- OBrien
17- Carbonneau
18- Ryabkin
19- Fiddler
20- Reschny
21- Schmidt
22- Gastrin
23- Ravensbergen
24- Martin
25- Moore
26- Tretheway
27- Zonnon
28- Pobezal
29- Wozniak
30- Reid
31- Potter
32- Behms

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

One thing’s almost a given with the NHL Draft. If there’s NOT a generational C in the Draft, you’re taking a kid who has a chance to be a generational Dman, over everyone else.

You simply don’t get the chance to draft a kid like Schaefer. Imagine Detroit or Buffalo adding him to the Dmen they already have in their lineup and prospect pool. Detroit could turn around and trade ASP to add a top forward, and still their D-Core would be insanely talented.

So as fun as players like Hagens and Misa would be, you can’t let that get in the way of drafting a kid who looks like a generational talent.

If Detroit or Buffalo gets that pick, think of the insane trade speculation? They could cash-in like we haven’t seen for a very long time. A team like Philly for example, would probably put together an insane offer for that pick. To put Schaefer with Michkov, they could almost guarantee themselves to be a very top end talented team, for over a decade, with what they already have, and have coming.

The offer would almost be too good to pass up for Detroit or Buffalo. They’d put together a package to Detroit, of something like Drysdale, Cates, 12th OVR, 19th OVR and an unprotected 2026 1st.

The crazy part is, that still might not get it done.

That’s how good people think Schaefer could be. So ask yourself, would you trade Makar for that Philly offer I just made up? I wouldn’t. I don’t think I would if I’m Detroit and they added Luchanko as well. There’s no guarantees at those other picks and Drysdale and Cates are disappointing right now.

The offers will be wild though, if it’s Detroit or Buffalo with that #1 overall. Even from a team drafting 3rd or 4th, when they’d still be guaranteed Misa, Hagens or Martone. If Chicago has 4th OVR, they'd probably still put together some crazy offer to get Schaefer.

Just don’t see anyone passing on him. He’s gonna likely change your team into a contender for 10-15 years. Imagine if Colorado had Seider, Edvinsson, Wallinder and ASP added to Makar?? I can guarantee you Detroit would be imagining that if they sat there with the 1st Overall Pick this year. With the forwards they have and have coming??? You just can’t trade that pick, and can’t call that pick in fast enough.

If Schaefer doesn’t go 1st OVR, something would have happened between now and draft day.

A loaded D core is amazing in theory but isn’t always practical when the offense is lackluster. Detroit is trending to be 2011 Nashville when they had Weber Suter Gill Josi Ekholm and ellis. But had no offense and they didn’t do jack for years. Even though i have schaefer as number 1 right now for me. and man is

Edvinsson Seider
Schaefer Sandin-Pellika ever tempting

Wings need a Martone/Misa/Hagens more and i think choosing him would be the wrong decision from detroits perspective.

 

[StrawHatEklund]

1 - Schaefer
2- Misa
3- Martone
4- Hagens
5- Frondell
6- Eklund

My preference as a Sharks fan.

 

[coooldude]

1 - Schaefer
2- Misa
3- Martone
4- Hagens
5- Frondell
6- Eklund

My preference as a Sharks fan.

Also as a sharks fan, I'd probably put Jackson Smith and Desnoyers before Eklund at 7, then Frondell and a bunch of others.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

One thing’s almost a given with the NHL Draft. If there’s NOT a generational C in the Draft, you’re taking a kid who has a chance to be a generational Dman, over everyone else.

You simply don’t get the chance to draft a kid like Schaefer. Imagine Detroit or Buffalo adding him to the Dmen they already have in their lineup and prospect pool. Detroit could turn around and trade ASP to add a top forward, and still their D-Core would be insanely talented.

So as fun as players like Hagens and Misa would be, you can’t let that get in the way of drafting a kid who looks like a generational talent.

If Detroit or Buffalo gets that pick, think of the insane trade speculation? They could cash-in like we haven’t seen for a very long time. A team like Philly for example, would probably put together an insane offer for that pick. To put Schaefer with Michkov, they could almost guarantee themselves to be a very top end talented team, for over a decade, with what they already have, and have coming.

The offer would almost be too good to pass up for Detroit or Buffalo. They’d put together a package to Detroit, of something like Drysdale, Cates, 12th OVR, 19th OVR and an unprotected 2026 1st.

The crazy part is, that still might not get it done.

That’s how good people think Schaefer could be. So ask yourself, would you trade Makar for that Philly offer I just made up? I wouldn’t. I don’t think I would if I’m Detroit and they added Luchanko as well. There’s no guarantees at those other picks and Drysdale and Cates are disappointing right now.

The offers will be wild though, if it’s Detroit or Buffalo with that #1 overall. Even from a team drafting 3rd or 4th, when they’d still be guaranteed Misa, Hagens or Martone. If Chicago has 4th OVR, they'd probably still put together some crazy offer to get Schaefer.

Just don’t see anyone passing on him. He’s gonna likely change your team into a contender for 10-15 years. Imagine if Colorado had Seider, Edvinsson, Wallinder and ASP added to Makar?? I can guarantee you Detroit would be imagining that if they sat there with the 1st Overall Pick this year. With the forwards they have and have coming??? You just can’t trade that pick, and can’t call that pick in fast enough.

If Schaefer doesn’t go 1st OVR, something would have happened between now and draft day.

A few things wrong with your theory.

Are Detroit and Buffalo positive examples you want to throw out there? Seems like two teams to not copy.

Also, where does this idea come from that Schaefer is a generational defenseman? You’ve made this up out of thin out. Generation=10 years. Rasmus Dahlin was a unanimous 1OA in 2018. He was regarded as an equal or better prospect to every 1OA of the last 10 years other than McDavid. I don’t think there’s anything Schaefer could do to reach that status in the next 7 months. Also, with DuPont two drafts behind are we really going to have two generational defensemen in a three year span? DuPont would go ahead of Schaefer if eligible for the draft this year.

And lastly, I’m not sure why the generational talk would be about the guy who’s been pretty average since entering junior outside of two months. Wouldn’t the guy who broke the U17 Worlds Tournament Points Record and then the U18 Worlds Tournament Points Record be the one that receives that type of rhetoric instead?

 

[StrawHatEklund]

Also as a sharks fan, I'd probably put Jackson Smith and Desnoyers before Eklund at 7, then Frondell and a bunch of others.

Fair. After rethinking it, I would swap out Jackson Smith at 5th, Eklund at 6th and Frondell at 7th. Desnoyers is 8th for me.

 

[wetcoast]

A loaded D core is amazing in theory but isn’t always practical when the offense is lackluster. Detroit is trending to be 2011 Nashville when they had Weber Suter Gill Josi Ekholm and ellis. But had no offense and they didn’t do jack for years. Even though i have schaefer as number 1 right now for me. and man is

Edvinsson Seider
Schaefer Sandin-Pellika ever tempting

Wings need a Martone/Misa/Hagens more and i think choosing him would be the wrong decision from detroits perspective.

Agree with this 100%, Detroit keeps drafting safe high floor guys but not so much high ceiling forwards.

A few things wrong with your theory.

Are Detroit and Buffalo positive examples you want to throw out there? Seems like two teams to not copy.

Also, where does this idea come from that Schaefer is a generational defenseman? You’ve made this up out of thin out. Generation=10 years. Rasmus Dahlin was a unanimous 1OA in 2018. He was regarded as an equal or better prospect to every 1OA of the last 10 years other than McDavid. I don’t think there’s anything Schaefer could do to reach that status in the next 7 months. Also, with DuPont two drafts behind are we really going to have two generational defensemen in a three year span? DuPont would go ahead of Schaefer if eligible for the draft this year.

And lastly, I’m not sure why the generational talk would be about the guy who’s been pretty average since entering junior outside of two months. Wouldn’t the guy who broke the U17 Worlds Tournament Points Record and then the U18 Worlds Tournament Points Record be the one that receives that type of rhetoric instead?

You really need to watch more of Schaefer play as he is titling the ice in his draft year in the OHL and is arguably Canada's best Dman for the upcoming WJC tourney.

He really is that good and projects very well.

But sure the generational term does get thrown out all too often but he projects as the best NHLers out of the top 4 IMO this year.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You really need to watch more of Schaefer play as he is titling the ice in his draft year in the OHL and is arguably Canada's best Dman for the upcoming WJC tourney.

He really is that good and projects very well.

I've watched Schaefer plenty. I find the rhetoric way overboard based off two months against competition that largely is future good beer leaguers. Last year he was nowhere near this good against this same competition.

Others in his own draft have proven much more and have more upside. Seems like you seem to agree with the assertion that he's generational, given you pushed back on my attempt to explain how rare a generational player is, so maybe you can explain what makes him generational. I'm not sure there's any logic to that.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Spoiler: Pre-WJC Top 128

#1, Matthew Schaefer, LD, Canada, Erie Otters (OHL)
#2, James Hagens, C, USA, Boston College (NCAA)
#3, Michael Misa, C, Canada, Saginaw Spirit (OHL)
#4, Porter Martone, RW, Canada, Brampton Steelheads (OHL)
#5, Victor Eklund, LW, Sweden, Djurgardens (Allsvenskan)
#6, Roger McQueen, C, Canada, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)
#7, Anton Frondell, C, Sweden, Djurgardens (Allsvenskan)
#8, Jackson Smith, LD, Canada, Tri-City Americans (WHL)
#9, Caleb Desnoyers, C, Canada, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL)
#10, Lynden Lakovic, LW, Canada, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL)
#11, Malcolm Spence, LW, Canada, Erie Otters (OHL)
#12, Carter Bear, C, Canada, Everett Silvertips (WHL)
#13, Logan Hensler, RD, USA, Wisconsin (NCAA)
#14, Radim Mrtka, RD, Czechia, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL)
#15, Jake O’Brien, C, Canada, Brantford Bulldogs (OHL)
#16, Justin Carbonneau, RW, Canada, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL)
#17, Cameron Schmidt, RW, Canada, Vancouver Giants (WHL)
#18, Ivan Ryabkin, C, Russia, Dynamo Moskva (MHL)
#19, Braeden Cootes, C, Canada, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL)
#20, Blake Fiddler, RD, USA, Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL)
#21, Cameron Reid, LD, Canada, Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
#22, Cole Reschny, C, Canada, Victoria Royals (WHL)
#23, Kashawn Aitcheson, LD, Canada, Barrie Colts (OHL)
#24, Brady Martin, C, Canada, Soo Greyhounds (OHL)
#25, Cullen Potter, LW, USA, Arizona State (NCAA)
#26, Bill Zonnon, LW, Canada, Rouyn-Noranda Huskies (QMJHL)
#27, Will Moore, C, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#28, Jack Murtagh, C, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#29, Milton Gastrin, C, Sweden, MoDo (J20)
#30, Ben Kindel, RW, Canada, Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
#31, Sascha Boumedienne, LD, Sweden, Boston University (NCAA)
#32, Eric Nilson, C, Sweden, Djurgardens (J20)
#33, Kurban Limatov, LD, Russia, Dynamo Moskva (MHL)
#34, Jakob Ihs Wozniak, LW, Sweden, Lulea (J20)
#35, Ben Kevan, RW, USA, Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)
#36, Arvid Drott, RW, Sweden, Djurgardens (J20)
#37, Conrad Fondrk, C, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#38, Josh Ravensbergen, G, Canada, Prince George Cougars (WHL)
#39, Luca Romano, C, Canada, Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
#40, Adam Benak, C, Czechia, Youngstown Phantoms (USHL)
#41, Jack Nesbitt, C, Canada, Windsor Spitfires (OHL)
#42, Shane Vansaghi, RW, USA, Michigan State (NCAA)
#43, Nathan Behm, LW, Canada, Kamloops Blazers (WHL)
#44, Charlie Trethewey, RD, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#45, Carter Amico, RD, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#46, Eddie Genborg, RW, Sweden, Linkoping (J20)
#47, Melvin Novotny, LW, Sweden, Leksands (J20)
#48, Haoxi Wang, LD, China, Oshawa Generals (OHL)
#49, Cole McKinney, C, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#50, Alex Huang, RD, Canada, Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL)
#51, Henry Brzustewicz, RD, USA, London Knights (OHL)
#52, Reese Hamilton, LD, Canada, Regina Pats (WHL)
#53, Tomas Pobezal, C, Slovakia, Nitra (Slovak)
#54, Emile Guite, LW, Canada, Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL)
#55, Luka Radivojevic, RD, Slovakia, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL)
#56, Ryker Lee, C, USA, Madison Capitols (USHL)
#57, LJ Mooney, RW, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#58, Dakoda Rheaume-Mullen, LD, USA, Michigan (NCAA)
#59, Artyom Vilchinsky, LD, Russia, 1946 St. Petersburg (MHL)
#60, Jack Ivankovic, G, Canada, Brampton Steelheads (OHL)
#61, Owen Conrad, LD, Canada, Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL)
#62, Tomas Poletin, LW, Czechia, Pelicans (U20)
#63, Zeb Lindgren, LD, Sweden, Skelleftea (J20)
#64, Pyotr Andreyanov, G, Russia, Krasnaya Moskva (MHL)
#65, Viktor Klingsell, LW, Sweden, Skelleftea (J20)
#66, Zach Morin, LW, Canada, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL)
#67, Shamar Moses, RW, Canada, North Bay Battalion (OHL)
#68, Gustav Hillstrom, C, Sweden, Brynas (J20)
#69, Filip Ekberg, LW, Sweden, Ottawa 67’s (OHL)
#70, Carson Cameron, RD, Canada, Peterborough Petes (OHL)
#71, Mikkel Eriksen, C, Norway, Farjestad (J20)
#72, Karl Annborn, RD, Sweden, HV71 (J20)
#73, Vojtech Cihar, LW, Czechia, Energie Karlovy Vary (Czech)
#74, Will Sharpe, LD, Canada, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL)
#75, Jacob Rombach, LD, USA, Lincoln Stars (USHL)
#76, Theo Stockselius, LW, Sweden, Djurgardens (J20)
#77, Tyler Hopkins, C, Canada, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
#78, Ethan Czata, C, Canada, Niagara IceDogs (OHL)
#79, Semyon Frolov, G, Russia, Spartak Moskva (MHL)
#80, Peyton Kettles, RD, Canada, Swift Current Broncos (WHL)
#81, Carlos Handel, RD, Germany, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
#82, David Lewandowski, C, Germany, Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
#83, Nathan Quinn, C, Canada, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL)
#84, Roman Bausov, RD, Russia, Dynamo St. Petersburg (MHL)
#85, Michal Svrcek, C, Slovakia, Brynas (J20)
#86, Daniil Prokhorov, RW, Russia, Dynamo St. Petersburg (MHL)
#87, Jamiro Reber, C, Switzerland, HV71 (SHL)
#88, Love Harenstam, G, Sweden, Skelleftea (J20)
#89, David Bedkowski, RD, Canada, Owen Sound Attack (OHL)
#90, Jasper Kuhta, C, Finland, HIFK (U20)
#91, Quinn Beauchesne, RD, Canada, Guelph Storm (OHL)
#92, Harry Nansi, C, Canada, Owen Sound Attack (OHL)
#93, Topias Hynninen, C, Finland, Jukurit (Liiga)
#94, Mateo Nobert, C, Canada, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL)
#95, Will Belle, RW, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#96, Anthony Allain-Samake, LD, Canada, Sioux City Musketeers (USHL)
#97, Mason Moe, LW, USA, Madison Capitols (USHL)
#98, Lucas Beckman, G, Canada, Baie-Comeau Drakkar (QMJHL)
#99, Vit Zahejsky, C, Czechia, Kamloops Blazers (WHL)
#100, Mace’o Phillips, LD, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#101, Matthew Gard, C, Canada, Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
#102, Jordan Gavin, C, Canada, Tri-City Americans (WHL)
#103, Tinus Luc Koblar, RW, Norway, Leksands (J20)
#104, Will Horcoff, C, USA, USNTDP (USHL)
#105, Jimmy Lombardi, C, Canada, Flint Firebirds (OHL)
#106, Oscar Davidsson, LW, Sweden, HV71 (J20)
#107, Maxim Agafonov, RD, Russia, Tolpar Ufa (MHL)
#108, Lasse Boelius, LD, Finland, Assat (U20)
#109, Daniil Skvortsov, LD, Russia, Guelph Storm (OHL)
#110, Nikita Poltavchuk, LD, Russia, Stalnye Lisy Magnitogorsk (MHL)
#111, Aaron Obobaifo, C, Canada, Vancouver Giants (WHL)
#112, Cooper Simpson, LW, USA, Shakopee (USHS)
#113, Noah Read, C, Canada, London Knights (OHL)
#114, Gavin Cornforth, RW, USA, Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)
#115, Everett Baldwin, RD, USA, Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL)
#116, Jan Chovan, C, Slovakia, Tappara (U20)
#117, Kristian Epperson, LW, USA, Saginaw Spirit (OHL)
#118, Ivan Fomin, LW, Russia, Taifun Primorsky Krai (MHL)
#119, Ludvig Johnson, LD, Switzerland, Zug (NL)
#120, Hayden Paupanekis, C, Canada, Spokane Chiefs (WHL)
#121, Alex Zharovsky, RW, Russia, Tolpar Ufa (MHL)
#122, Jesper Kotajarvi, LD, Finland, Tappara (U20)
#123, Cole Temple, C, Canada, Everett Silvertips (WHL)
#124, Alexei Medvedev, G, Russia, London Knights (OHL)
#125, Mans Goos, G, Sweden, Farjestad (J20)
#126, Ruslan Karimov, LW, Russia, Sarnia Sting (OHL)
#127, Max Psenicka, RD, Czechia, Plzen (Czech)
#128, Daniel Nieminen, LD, Finland, Pelicans (Liiga)

#103, Tinus Luc Koblar, RW, Norway, Leksands (J20)

I don't know much at all about this player. I don't see stats that jump off the page. Anything you can tell me? Looks like he has good size. Good skater?

 

[hockeyprospects9]

#103, Tinus Luc Koblar, RW, Norway, Leksands (J20)

I don't know much at all about this player. I don't see stats that jump off the page. Anything you can tell me? Looks like he has good size. Good skater?

Great at protecting the puck, solid two-way, decent playmaking, needs to work on his skating. Personally don’t see him being drafted, though he’s better than those numbers would lead you to believe.

 

[wetcoast]

I've watched Schaefer plenty. I find the rhetoric way overboard based off two months against competition that largely is future good beer leaguers. Last year he was nowhere near this good against this same competition.

Others in his own draft have proven much more and have more upside. Seems like you seem to agree with the assertion that he's generational, given you pushed back on my attempt to explain how rare a generational player is, so maybe you can explain what makes him generational. I'm not sure there's any logic to that.

I'm not saying that he is generational nor was the poster you responded to, instead he said that Schaefer could become generational, ie in a way like Lidstrom did.

He was nowhere this good last year sure but he went through some really tough emotional times and wasn't bad by any means then came out in the spring in the U17 and U18 tournaments and he is very young for this draft.

The kid was 16 when all of this happened last season.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/light-feet-heavy-heart-the-tragic-story-of-a-rising-hockey-star-and-two-unfathomable/article_fdb7a16e-07c9-11ef-9316-df7d141e4347.html

Sure be like Steve and call the OHL a beer league, the guy is titling the ice after having mono and is playing close to 30 MPG in his draft season and doing extremely well and projects as a future huge MPG all situations #1 Dman for a decade plus.

This is no slight on Hagens who might indeed go #1 overall but rather a reflection of what the previous poster said about supply and demand.

There are forwards both in this draft and last and next year close to Hagens, not so much with Schaefer who really stands apart as a Dman prospect.

Also what players have more upside and less risk than Schaefer?

My bet is that more people are going to appreciate how elite Schaefer is after this tournament as his vision, economy and already good defensive game bodes well for his future NHL team and any SC aspirations they have.

 

[newmanager]

Our group's top ten pre-wjc.

1 Michael Misa
2 Matt Schaefer
3 Porter Martone
4 James Hagens
5 Caleb Desnoyers
6 Roger McQueen
7 Jackson Smith
8 Victor Eklund
9 Anton Frondell
10 Malcolm Spence

 

[kayhud]

It's Koblar's defensive game for me. His skating needs work, but I project him as a solid, reliable bottom six defensive winger with a game similar to Pierre-Edouard Bellemare, or like a less skilled Teddy Stiga.

 

[crazynaiman]

I'm sure that it all depends on the teams making the picks, not the player rankings (pretty strong and balanced top-4). I find it hard to imagine that Buffalo, for example, would select Schaefer as 1OA just to make some trade later. So if 1OA pick goes to:

Chicago - 1) Hagens 2) Schaefer 3) Misa
San Jose - 1) Martone 2) Schaefer 3) Misa
Buffalo - 1) Hagens 2) Martone 3) Schaefer
Detroit - 1) Schaefer 2) Hagens 3) Misa
Anaheim - 1) Schaefer 2) Martone 3) Misa
Montreal - 1) Schaefer 2) Hagens 3) Martone
Nashville - 1) Hagens 2) Schaefer 3) Martone

Therefore, through calculations and probability theory:
1) Hagens (3: CHI, BUF, NSH - teams most likely to win the lottery)
2) Schaefer (3: DET, ANA, MTL)
3) Martone (SJ)
4) Misa

 

[Petes2424]

A loaded D core is amazing in theory but isn’t always practical when the offense is lackluster. Detroit is trending to be 2011 Nashville when they had Weber Suter Gill Josi Ekholm and ellis. But had no offense and they didn’t do jack for years. Even though i have schaefer as number 1 right now for me. and man is

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Schaefer Sandin-Pellika ever tempting

Wings need a Martone/Misa/Hagens more and i think choosing him would be the wrong decision from detroits perspective.

DET’s Fwd prospects are pretty good actually, and they have so many 200+game NHL prospects, they all wont play in DET. They’ll make trades to top off their rebuild. They will also become a preferred UFA destination again.

So, you just can’t allow your current roster makeup, to dictate NOT taking a generational talent. That’s when you get yourself fired real fast.

I know a dman isn’t the “shiny new toy” type of a 1st Overall, but generational ones don’t grow on trees, and getting anything close to one through trade or UFA is impossible.

You can close that gap much easier with a C, and wingers really aren’t even in the equation. Anyone taking Martone 1st overall is taking a big chance with their job.

There’s a reason in December, we still don’t have a consistent FWD topping the draft rankings. Detroit loves Misa and 100% thinks he can play C in the NHL. It’s the biggest fail of these so-called public draft gurus. They’re taking comments about Misa prior to this season, and still running with them. He’s doing all those “little things” people were wary of him not being able to do in the NHL, as he’s now a full-time C. There’s a great new breakdown of his game going around youtube, showing it. Exactly why teams are starting to move him ahead, yet these idiots are still going on podcasts talking about how teams worry about something the kid has proven this season.

Still though, nobody’s calling any FWD in this draft “Generational.”

Carolina is a team who was forced by draft position, to build from the backend too. They’re a contender every year because you win consistently longer, going that route.

You just can’t assume DET’s decisions on forwards will mirror Nashville or Carolina’s though.

We’ll see if DET or Buffalo get the #1 pick but I’d be pretty surprised if either took anyone other than Schaefer. If a team like Philly, Columbus, etc, wants to offer some insane offer, I do think both teams would obviously listen, but it would have to be a Lindros type of insane package.

You can’t find a scout or independent contracted evaluator, who’s not gushing over Schaefer. Way more than they were Dahlin for example.