Seriously? And Howson had 6th rounders (a few of them) that turned out better than Detroit's 1st rounders. And that guy with a horrible 3 mil/year contract was a point per game for the Rags in the playoff.
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Seriously? And Howson had 6th rounders (a few of them) that turned out better than Detroit's 1st rounders. And that guy with a horrible 3 mil/year contract was a point per game for the Rags in the playoff.
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He is not even - You do not gain points when on the PP. For the 2 games he's been with LA.
Mar 9 '14 LAK @ EDM 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0 23 19:47
Mar 6 '14 LAK @ WPG 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 3 0.0 20 16:38
Well, media always publicly praises CBJ becuase of hall-of-fame broad shoulder broadcaster John Davidson.
The more accurate sentence would be "deep bottom-twelve"
Gaborik could suffer a season ending injury in the next morning skate and still be more valuable than Matt Frattin, who is basically now just blocking the chances of a Jack Skille call-up. From what we saw of him this season, Skille would be a better deadline addition than Frattin.
Yeah, because talking about the history of the team is so boooorrrrrriiing, huh? And in the case of the last GM, that old Faulkner quote is true as ever- the past isn't dead, it isn't even past. You'll see alot of it on the ice tonight.
The "get over it" sentiment in any form is just an aggressive way of saying "I'm not interested in this discussion". My suggestion, instead of calling people out for talking about something you're not interested in, just shaddup. It's why I never talk about anything having to do with how many seats are empty in the lower bowl, for instance.
In you original post you were talking about the EDM game only, but brought his plus/minus from the previous game? You're trying to make him look worse than he's. "only 2 shots", +/-...
Basically the Jackets are paying Gaborik for playing 19 minutes/game in LA and they're also paying Frattin for being useless for this team. It's amazing how some people find anything positive in this trade.
I don't think anyone is satisfied with the return for Gaborik. The market for rental forwards was weaker than any year in recent memory. One example, assuming both picks we obtained in the deal are 2nds the return for Gaborik was comparable to what SJ received for Ryan Clowe at last year's deadline. Pretty surprising to me. I don't believe Frattin was a centerpiece of the deal, just an add on to balance $ and contracts. In the end, I am glad Jarmo went for it last year. I am glad we had the expendable assets and the front office courage to make the move, despite it not panning out. I also don't believe we traded anything for Gaborik that would have held significant value in other deals (though I am aware some would disagree). Remember when Carolina reportedly offered Kaberle and a 2nd for Brassard? Were there better offers out there? Maybe, maybe not but I'll take the risk on Gaborik-like players before that kind of offer any day. Jarmo clearly believes the team did not need Gaborik and did not want to lose him for nothing despite the disappointing return.
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First sign an argument is getting tiresome: when I don't feel like getting involved.
On the topic of Gaborik, I have to wonder if other teams have started to look at the rest of the 2000 draft class and projected their collective cataclysmic declines onto him. Klesla, Dipietro, Heatley, and Lundqvist have all fallen apart very suddenly and very dramatically, and I question if other teams think that Gaborik is having exactly the same thing happen to him.
If it's actually true that he's slumped into a massive permanent decline, then getting a couple of draft picks for him isn't too bad. But if this is just a short-term slump...
On the topic of Gaborik, I have to wonder if other teams have started to look at the rest of the 2000 draft class and projected their collective cataclysmic declines onto him. Klesla, Dipietro, Heatley, and Lundqvist have all fallen apart very suddenly and very dramatically, and I question if other teams think that Gaborik is having exactly the same thing happen to him.
If it's actually true that he's slumped into a massive permanent decline, then getting a couple of draft picks for him isn't too bad. But if this is just a short-term slump...
Viqsi
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Last I checked Lundqvist hasn't exactly "fallen apart"...
You sure you're not thinking of Bryzgalov instead?
I don't really care if Gaborik declines. But if Horton is following that pass... THAT gonna be a problem.
Well, he wasn't exactly setting the world on fire in New York before they traded him.
Right now he's playing on Kopitar's wing and looks pretty decent. Had a couple of shots on goal, couple of missed shots, but he's noticeable on the ice in a good way. And yeah, he's plus-2 tonight.
I watched the Blues-Wild game last night. Comparison to Heatley is ridiculous.
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Sabres fan coming in peace! Not sure if this is a proper thread.
However, just asking about Nikita Nikitin. How has he played and is it likely that he will not be re-signed (considering you guys have a lot of cap binded to D already)? How would you descripe him? Defensive defenseman who has relatively good mobility and can move the puck well?
What would be his preferences if heading to open market? Just thinking that would a rebuilding team like Buffalo has any chance of signing him to contract like 4,5-5 mil. x 4-5 years?
Thanks in advance!
However, just asking about Nikita Nikitin. How has he played and is it likely that he will not be re-signed (considering you guys have a lot of cap binded to D already)? How would you descripe him? Defensive defenseman who has relatively good mobility and can move the puck well?
What would be his preferences if heading to open market? Just thinking that would a rebuilding team like Buffalo has any chance of signing him to contract like 4,5-5 mil. x 4-5 years?
Thanks in advance!
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I'd say there is a great chance that would git her done. I don't see Columbus giving him that kind of a deal (or any team for that matter)
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So he haven't been playing that well then? Has he just regressed or are there other things that might affect? If I don't remember wrong, he was a stud couple of seasons before this season?
Actually, I'd say Nikita is playing very well; but I'd have to agree with EK - even at his best, I don't see him as the type of player who'd attract that kind of contract. We both could be wrong, though, just takes one GM who thinks he's worth that much.
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Okey. Buffalo is a rebuild team and they have had even before starting their rebuild difficulties attracting UFA players, so I think it would require clear overpayment to get him. And Sabres are having difficulties reaching the cap floor next season as well. He's still pretty young, and if he could be a solid top-4-guy, I think that would be enough. He would provide clear help turning the rebuild team into a winning one after next season and would provide competition with the prospects pushing their way up as well (not a good idea to fill your roster with prospects not ready to handle the assignment).
Thanks for your answers!
Viqsi
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I frankly think there'd be several. Something about Nikitin and the state of the blueline market has me thinking he's going to get Jeff Fingered or something.
Nikitin's underappreciated. He's usually not even in our top 4, and he doesn't get much powerplay time, but he's shown before that he does well in those roles. On most teams he'd be comfortably top 4.
One statistic that makes him look mighty impressive: He is 9th among league d-men in primary assists per 60 minutes 5 on 5.
I'd guess several teams would pay him around 4x4, Columbus won't be in the running unless they move someone else.
He's been playing well since the end of November and would have been a top-4 on any Eastern conference team except Boston or (maybe) NYR.
I didn't even know about that stat when I was trying to make a statement that Nikitin's first outlet pass is the best on the team. Some people didn't buy that.
Another facts that make him impressive: he leads the Jackets defense in +/- with plus 9.
No one was able to score on Columbus with Nikitin on the ice for 20 games in a row back in December. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes though.
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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/...-unlikely-yakupov-is-with-oilers-next-season/
Any takers? Suppose he could be had for a 2nd, Golobuef & Dano 0r something of comparable value?
Without getting bizz all cranked up on a nationality/ethnicity debate, could the Russian contingent aid in his development? Or is he just a lost cause a la Z & Filly? I don't know. I'm pretty sure most here will say pass (and I sure wouldn't give up much more than what I outlined) but it might be worth a flyer.
Maybe Wayne Simmons?
Any takers? Suppose he could be had for a 2nd, Golobuef & Dano 0r something of comparable value?
Without getting bizz all cranked up on a nationality/ethnicity debate, could the Russian contingent aid in his development? Or is he just a lost cause a la Z & Filly? I don't know. I'm pretty sure most here will say pass (and I sure wouldn't give up much more than what I outlined) but it might be worth a flyer.
Maybe Wayne Simmons?
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Yakupov would be another Marian Gaborik type situation. I get the flash and the attraction, because he's still young and has a history of using his body. But he would be exactly what Gaborik was here, not a fit. Nty
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/...-unlikely-yakupov-is-with-oilers-next-season/
Any takers? Suppose he could be had for a 2nd, Golobuef & Dano 0r something of comparable value?
Without getting bizz all cranked up on a nationality/ethnicity debate, could the Russian contingent aid in his development? Or is he just a lost cause a la Z & Filly? I don't know. I'm pretty sure most here will say pass (and I sure wouldn't give up much more than what I outlined) but it might be worth a flyer.
Maybe Wayne Simmons?
Maybe I'd give a Flyer for him.
What really stops the Yakupov train of thought for me is that when he was called out to play better defence he said it wasn't his job and later his agent came in to complain when Yak's ice time was low. Since then Yak's never done or said anything to make it seem like a learning moment. He just doesn't care and that's a non-starter. If by now he had said he was mistaken I'd think about it. But I wouldn't take him on this team for anything under these conditions.
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Gaborik of the last two years and Gaborik in his early years were two very different players. Injuries absolutely destroyed him. His speed and elusiveness were such a huge component of his game that even if the breakaway threat wasn't there, you'd still have to account for him. The speed went away, and so did a big chunk of his overall game.
Look at Dany Heatley, who was kind of slow to begin with but now couldn't keep up with Bernie Kosar.
Maybe I'd give a Flyer for him.
What really stops the Yakupov train of thought for me is that when he was called out to play better defence he said it wasn't his job and later his agent came in to complain when Yak's ice time was low. Since then Yak's never done or said anything to make it seem like a learning moment. He just doesn't care and that's a non-starter. If by now he had said he was mistaken I'd think about it. But I wouldn't take him on this team for anything under these conditions.
It's very possible that he'd get into a positive and demanding atmosphere and really rise to the occasion. It's also possible that what we've seen isn't confined simply to Edmonton, and that he'd continue to float around no matter where he was. Young players in every sport have shocked the establishment before, where the lazy floater becomes a fire-breathing leader or the future captain becomes disillusioned and bombs out of the league in short order.
