Post-Trade Deadline Thread

[Crede777]

I really thought this was a strange take from NHL.com. Strange in the sense of "do we really have a deep top-nine? And is it really that much better than recent Stanley Cup winners the LA Kings?" Never seen Columbus referred to in that way.

Gaborik goes from a deep Columbus Blue Jackets top-nine forward mix to a situation with the Los Angeles Kings where he can see top-line and power-play minutes with Anze Kopitar.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=26896&navid=nhl:topheads

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[EspenK]

I really thought this was a strange take from NHL.com. Strange in the sense of "do we really have a deep top-nine? And is it really that much better than recent Stanley Cup winners the LA Kings?" Never seen Columbus referred to in that way.



http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=26896&navid=nhl:topheads

Perhaps they meant a deep bottom 12. My guess is they were referring to the interchangeability of our top 9 (12) without much difference in the results.

 

[Viqsi]

I really thought this was a strange take from NHL.com. Strange in the sense of "do we really have a deep top-nine? And is it really that much better than recent Stanley Cup winners the LA Kings?" Never seen Columbus referred to in that way.



http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=26896&navid=nhl:topheads

We do have a deeper top-9 (the Kings' third line makes ours look like world-beaters), but the Kings have more top-end talent than we do (our 1st makes theirs etc. etc.). Whether or not one or the other constitutes "better" depends on one's prejudices and which approach last won the Stanley Cup.

 

[Samkow]

Why is the Dispatch so obsessed with getting rid/justifying getting rid of Gaborik?

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...rik-deal-was-sound-business-not-disaster.html

Horrible article. So much false-equivalency I'm not sure if he even believes it.

 

[DJA]

We've now had an article from Arace and an article from Hunter on the "he didn't fit" narrative (not to mention weeks of Portzline babbling about it). Is it necessary 3 days later to still be pushing this nonsense? Why are the Dispatch editors beating us over the head with this? Trying to convince themselves they're right?

 

[NotWendell]

What I REALLY want to hear about is why Schultz and Frattin. Why does Jarmo think THEY fit?

I suspect Schultz is here because Toots and Murray are closer to returning than we know. But why did we need to pick up Frattin instead of trading him to someone (that Gabby would approve) that would offer us higher draft picks? Was there no one making that offer? Would Gabby not sign off on his NTC to go there?

 

[DJA]

Frattin is useless. Richards is already talking about putting Tropp and/or Comeau back in tonight. Why didn't we just take the draft picks for Gabby and be done with it? Did LA really need to shed a contract?

 

[EspenK]

Maybe that was the best offer? My guess is it was that or Gabby wouldn't waive to go where a better offer was. Still think keeping him would have been better.

I go back to a thought I posed the other day- if he sucked and didn't fit then why did he play every game that he was healthy for?

 

[Viqsi]

Why is the Dispatch so obsessed with getting rid/justifying getting rid of Gaborik?

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...rik-deal-was-sound-business-not-disaster.html

Horrible article. So much false-equivalency I'm not sure if he even believes it.

Meh. I think at this point the target audience for these things is the idiots commenting on Puck-Rakers articles who only know "UGH GABORIK STAR PLAYER GONE UGH FIRE SOMEBODY"

If you tell them it's bad, we have a revolt because that of course means we suck and are doomed. That the not-so-great nature of the deal is a bit more nuanced than that would be totally lost on them. They only know "All is great and wonderful and we're Cup contenders" or "Everything sucks, fire and trade everybody". And the latter is unjustified. Thus, awkward spin.


Did I adequately recapture his style?

 

[Samkow]

Meh. I think at this point the target audience for these things is the idiots commenting on Puck-Rakers articles who only know "UGH GABORIK STAR PLAYER GONE UGH FIRE SOMEBODY"

If you tell them it's bad, we have a revolt because that of course means we suck and are doomed. That the not-so-great nature of the deal is a bit more nuanced than that would be totally lost on them. They only know "All is great and wonderful and we're Cup contenders" or "Everything sucks, fire and trade everybody". And the latter is unjustified. Thus, awkward spin.


Did I adequately recapture his style?

I just don't get it.

From the recent chat transcript: Link

I can't be clear enough about this, and I'd hoped that the way we'd covered his pending departure didn't create any thought that he was a dressing-room cancer. He wasn't. The guys liked him. The staff liked him. The feeling was mutual, too. I've known his agent a long time, and he doesn't blow smoke and he made it clear that Gaborik enjoyed the city and the people who surrounded him. Yeah, maybe some people would like him to be something he isn't ... a forechecking, ears pinned back, physically engaged player. But it didn't work out. At some point, trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole becomes banging your head against a wall. (Wow, two bad cliches in one sentence.) They traded for him and traded him less than a year later, giving up three bodies and paying a whole boatload of money. It didn't work. Jarmo Kekalainen fell on his sword at 4 p.m. on Wednesday. Better to figure it out quick and move on then to spend the next 2-3 years trying to find somebody who can play with him. They feel they are a better team without Gaborik. More direct, more singular in their approach. It's not a happy tale, I'll grant you. But Gaborik was not destructive.

But then we see that Arace wants to compare him and his sitaution to Sydor/Foote/Carter/Nash.

What gives? Do they think their readers are that dumb? Are they lying? I'm really confused.

 

[skimp]

It's simple: Arace is a moron.

 

[CBJRzeznik]

Hey Fellow CBJ fans. 1st time posting here. Looking at the returns that Vanek and Mouslon yielded suggest the market was really weak. If I am not mistaken, the St. Louis-Callahan trade was the only one that involved a 1st round pick. Picking up 2 2nds (possibly) while not a great return seems fair for this year's version of Gabby as a rental.

 

[cbjgirl]

I had read somewhere (there was a link from HF to an LA based article) that LA had to send someone to the minors to clear cap space for Gaborik. That was with the CBJ picking up whatever salary they are and them trading Frattin. So, from the LA side of things they probably had to include someone to make the numbers work.

We don't know what Gaborik's list was. Nor do we know if any of those teams had an interest. I don't know how much of it is that we WANTED Frattin versus we had to take him.

 

[cbjfaninmo]

We don't know what Gaborik's list was. Nor do we know if any of those teams had an interest. I don't know how much of it is that we WANTED Frattin versus we had to take him.

That is my guess too. I doubt that JK really wanted Frattin but was just a numbers game. I am also guessing that LA was the only "taker" for a Gabby deal. I doubt Frattin is in any long range plans.

 

[Fireball23]

Never been a big Gaborik fan, regardless, If you look at his history he has in maybe the 14 yrs he's been in the league made it through WITHOUT injury 2 or 3 seasons. He's on the down side of his carear and playing through injuries. To me he didn't fit and are you wanting to play him on a 3rd line at 7.5mil? Nope nada.

Gaborik get's pushed off of the puck easily and he doesn't have the speed he once relied on. He's not going to go shoulder to shoulder in the corners or in front of the net with coming of a broken collar bone. He will never crack 35 goals or more again in his carear. I'd be surprised if he gets over 20. Looks like he disappears in the playoffs too. He doesn't fit the jackets style never saw him in this style anyway. He was the conduit in getting the bigger elephant out of the room with Nash wanting a trade and well we all know that story.

Also if we do make the playoffs - his last 31 playoff games he's netted 6 goals and a whopping 8 assists. Not to impressive. He's not going to get top line minutes either.

Frattin - maybe a good get - that is if he gets over the knee injury that has plagued him some from last year or so. A few posts on other sites that said they would take him back as he has a ton of potential and maybe put up 20 or so goals. A little streaky but young yet. Let him adjust to the new team and coaches before throwing this kid away.


Glad JK made the trade and got something in return. Give Frattin a chance before shipping him out.

 

[EspenK]

Never been a big Gaborik fan, regardless, If you look at his history he has in maybe the 14 yrs he's been in the league made it through WITHOUT injury 2 or 3 seasons. He's on the down side of his carear and playing through injuries. To me he didn't fit and are you wanting to play him on a 3rd line at 7.5mil? Nope nada.

Gaborik get's pushed off of the puck easily and he doesn't have the speed he once relied on. He's not going to go shoulder to shoulder in the corners or in front of the net with coming of a broken collar bone. He will never crack 35 goals or more again in his carear. I'd be surprised if he gets over 20. Looks like he disappears in the playoffs too. He doesn't fit the jackets style never saw him in this style anyway. He was the conduit in getting the bigger elephant out of the room with Nash wanting a trade and well we all know that story.

Also if we do make the playoffs - his last 31 playoff games he's netted 6 goals and a whopping 8 assists. Not to impressive. He's not going to get top line minutes either.

Ummm, Nash was gone before Gabby arrived. Not sure your statement is correct.

 

[major major]

Frattin is useless. Richards is already talking about putting Tropp and/or Comeau back in tonight. Why didn't we just take the draft picks for Gabby and be done with it? Did LA really need to shed a contract?

I think you can assume LA just needed to send a contract. It wouldn't make sense for us to target Frattin when we're already benching Tropp, Comeau, and Skille.

Frattin's an RFA this summer, and there's still a chance he could turn his game around. We might have more space for him next year or perhaps we can send him back to Toronto (where he had a great year last year) for a mid to late pick.

 

[Fireball23]

Ummm, Nash was gone before Gabby arrived. Not sure your statement is correct.

Sorry - Him and all the others left about the same time. Regardless - I still think gaborik was a bad choice and at least they. Been outside in the sun all morning at kids baseball game. And you are correct it was Brassard, Moore and Dorsett.

 

[Sore Loser]

The impact of the Gaborik trade will be felt in phases. Right now, we are in the first phase; where everyone is viewing it as a move that effects us immediately. Clearly, you don't just replace the production of a guy who is that dangerous every time he's one the ice ... so you band together as a team and play the way the Jackets have played all year. Does this make us a better team right now? No, I wouldn't say that ... but, I don't think it makes us that much worse, and it's great to see us get something on return from Dorsett, Brassard, and Moore ... all of whom we saw dealt just one year ago.

The next step will be the offseason. Sending Gaborik packing means that we've freed up $7.5 million to spend in the offseason. With Ryan Johansen being due for a hefty raise, we definitely couldn't be hurt by some cap relief. Also, there are some interesting guys on the market this summer ... maybe trading away Gaborik will give us the freedom to pursue one?

The final thing that we will have to look at is in 3/4 years, when we know exactly what we have from the draft pick(s?) that we got. We all know Jarmo's draft history, and should the Kings meet one of the conditions involved in the third rounder, we'll see two more decent prospects in our pool. To remind you all, our second round pick last year was Dillon Heatherington, and in the third round we selected Oliver Bjorkstrand ... both guys could play on the big club and could be primed for big things.

I'll take our chances ... the only other options were to see Marian walk for nothing this summer, or hope to re-sign him and pray that he could stay healthy next year. Personally, I think we're already winners ... I don't see him making a big enough difference for the Kings; they were a possible Cup contender before, and I don't think their odds have improved that much.

 

[Viqsi]

I just don't get it.

From the recent chat transcript: Link



But then we see that Arace wants to compare him and his sitaution to Sydor/Foote/Carter/Nash.

What gives? Do they think their readers are that dumb? Are they lying? I'm really confused.

Maybe Arace is the confused one. Gaborik strikes me as having been a brilliant fit off-ice but a poor one on-ice. Unfortunately, that set of qualities could be easily replaced at much lower cost by just asking Jody Shelley to unretire.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Arace is an idiot.

 

[EspenK]

The next step will be the offseason. Sending Gaborik packing means that we've freed up $7.5 million to spend in the offseason. With Ryan Johansen being due for a hefty raise, we definitely couldn't be hurt by some cap relief. Also, there are some interesting guys on the market this summer ... maybe trading away Gaborik will give us the freedom to pursue one?

Out of curiosity who do you think these guys are?

 

[bizzz*]

They're trying to make JK look better, but he still looks really bad so far.
Howson got us Tyutin and MacKenzie in his first year. 7 years later they're still on the team and everyone (except IHZ) happy about it. JK already wasted a bunch of assets and have nothing to show for it.

 

[bizzz*]

The next step will be the offseason. Sending Gaborik packing means that we've freed up $7.5 million to spend in the offseason.

Can anyone explain me HOW keeping Gaborik would have affected the cap space? He would be gone anyway, but Kekkalainen preferred to pay him for playing in LA and also take on Frattin's salary for the rest of the year.
I have impression the play Frattin to make the deal look better. That would have been funny if the only deadline addition at forwards position was scratched.

 

[bizzz*]

Hey Fellow CBJ fans. 1st time posting here. Looking at the returns that Vanek and Mouslon yielded suggest the market was really weak. If I am not mistaken, the St. Louis-Callahan trade was the only one that involved a 1st round pick. Picking up 2 2nds (possibly) while not a great return seems fair for this year's version of Gabby as a rental.

Then why would you trade Gaborik at all? Vanek and Moulson played for the teams that were out of playoffs for a while.