Blue Jays Discussion: post-deadline, back-at-home edition

[SpezDispenser]

I'm sure someone said it yesterday but I feel like the Berrios thing is what begat Vlad sitting.

This isn't like 2019...every game is pretty much sold out anyways due to the capacity.

I just want them to win, so I personally don't really care, but I found it curious that they picked the one day that pretty much everyone can watch coast to coast to sit their best player.

 

[Greek_physique]

I just want them to win, so I personally don't really care, but I found it curious that they picked the one day that pretty much everyone can watch coast to coast to sit their best player.

They'll always get roasted when a star player sits...but they have 8 games in 7 days...you're playing a pretty shitty team in KC. It's upsetting as this was their first homestead in 2 years..but I'd rather he stay fresh this week then a Sunday afternoon game

 

[Cor]

Yeah, I’m not sure what the issue is.

Yesterday was a reasonable spot to give Vlad an off day.

Biggio was given one the first day back in Toronto. No one cared then?

 

[SpezDispenser]

Yeah, I’m not sure what the issue is.

Yesterday was a reasonable spot to give Vlad an off day.

Biggio was given one the first day back in Toronto. No one cared then?

Biggio, Vladdy, same thing, right?

 

[aingefan]

Kevin Smith should be in our top 10

On pace for around 40hr, 110+RBI, 30 steals and reports say his defence is pretty good.

Bit of an Alex Gonzalez vibe to this guy.
Less minor league consistency, but power and speed and good D with contact issues.
I wonder where Samad Taylor might rank right now too.

 

[Cor]

Biggio, Vladdy, same thing, right?

Point being it’s not just Vladdy who has been given rest days recently.

We can’t just overwork Vladdy. That’s how injuries happen.

 

[HuGort]

We are short on pitching prospects

 

[aingefan]

We are short on pitching prospects

The best ones are certainly underperforming and hurt.
There’s still lotsa depth on the fringe of the MLB/AAA line.

 

[canucksfan]

 

[Hoverhand]

I have to assume they worked this out with Axford when they signed him. They added a few relievers so they do right by him and send him to Milwaukee where he has connections and maybe even a house there.

 

[CatchyTune]

We really traded our broadcaster

 

[PanniniClaus]

We really traded our broadcaster

What can we get for Tabler?

 

[Dr.Funk]

What can we get for Tabler?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

This would be one of those deals you'd have to add to just to get rid of

 

[SpezDispenser]

Point being it’s not just Vladdy who has been given rest days recently.

We can’t just overwork Vladdy. That’s how injuries happen.

Yeah, I totally get it, just thought it was an odd day to do it, but I don't mind. I want them to be fresh and ready to try to make it in. Bichette needs a day too.

 

[Hoverhand]

What can we get for Tabler?

Broadcaster to be named later.

 

[Deebo]

 

[canucksfan]

Saw this on tweet and chuckled

 

[ref19]

Both players are ahead of Martin. Also, Jays have Lopez, Hiraldo and Jimenez who are definitely below Martin but are solid prospects.

Groshans and Martinez are certainly not ahead of Martin. It's just the price they had to pay. I'm 99% sure they attempted to get Minnesota to take Groshans instead.

 

[kb]

Groshans and Martinez are certainly not ahead of Martin. It's just the price they had to pay. I'm 99% sure they attempted to get Minnesota to take Groshans instead.

This is absolutely not true. Groshans was ahead in every way, and is a year younger and can actually field and throw to a base. Martinez may be in double A by next season.

Ridiculous assertion.

 

[weems]

This is absolutely not true. Groshans was ahead in every way, and is a year younger and can actually field and throw to a base. Martinez may be in double A by next season.

Ridiculous assertion.

Groshans 11/10/1999
Martin 3/23/1999

 

[canucksfan]

Groshans and Martinez are certainly not ahead of Martin. It's just the price they had to pay. I'm 99% sure they attempted to get Minnesota to take Groshans instead.

I doubt that to be honest. On the current prospect rankings, Martin is ahead of both. However, I believe he will drop and the other two will rise. Martinez is an incredible hitter and has crazy power for someone his age. Groshans and Martin are close. Groshans is a tad younger than Martin. Both need to improve their power and I would bet more on Groshans doing that than Martin. My opinion is based on things I have read. Between all three Martinez easily has the most potential and I think Martin is more of a safe bet to be an MLBer but his ceiling is lower. I do favor prospects that have more potential than safe bets. As a result, I can see someone making a case for Martin over Groshans.

For all three defense seems to be an issue at SS so all three likely play elsewhere.

 

[zeke]

Groshans and Martinez are certainly not ahead of Martin. It's just the price they had to pay. I'm 99% sure they attempted to get Minnesota to take Groshans instead.

I had both ahead of Martin myself.

And SWR too.

 

[weems]

I doubt that to be honest. On the current prospect rankings, Martin is ahead of both. However, I believe he will drop and the other two will rise. Martinez is an incredible hitter and has crazy power for someone his age. Groshans and Martin are close. Groshans is a tad younger than Martin. Both need to improve their power and I would bet more on Groshans doing that than Martin. My opinion is based on things I have read. Between all three Martinez easily has the most potential and I think Martin is more of a safe bet to be an MLBer but his ceiling is lower. I do favor prospects that have more potential than safe bets. As a result, I can see someone making a case for Martin over Groshans.

For all three defense seems to be an issue at SS so all three likely play elsewhere.

Both Groshans and Martin played 25+ games at SS for New Hampshire this season.

Groshans
32 games
.943 fielding percentage
5 errors

Martin
27 games
.902 fielding percentage
10 errors

I know those defensive stats most likely dont tell everything but it looks like Groshans was the better defensive player and Martin was extremely erractic defensively.

 

[zeke]

Both Groshans and Martin played 25+ games at SS for New Hampshire this season.

Groshans
32 games
.943 fielding percentage
5 errors

Martin
27 games
.902 fielding percentage
10 errors

I know those defensive stats most likely dont tell everything but it looks like Groshans was the better defensive player and Martin was extremely erractic defensively.

From all reports groshans at least has the arm for SS, Martin doesn't.

 

[MS]

Martin and Groshans were very close.

Martinez appears to be on a different level and is establishing himself as one of the elite prospects in MLB.