News Article: possible transactions
- Thread starter rhef3
- Start date
Lil Sebastian Cossa
Opinions are share are my own personal opinions.
- Jul 6, 2012
- 11,436
- 7,446
I have very little interest in any of those deals. If I'm selling Green and Vanek... I'm holding onto them for a bigger price than either of those. Particularly with Green being our best D man right now and Vanek likely being the best rental forward available.
I would do the smith and jurco one pretty easily
as for the other two, if we move both we better get at least 1 first round pick in return(more likely from moving green)
rhef3
Registered User
Vladdy84
L-O-Y-A-L-T-Y
If we're moving Green. We're getting a 1st. If we're moving Vanek, we're getting a 1st.
That's always been the asking price for players like that at the deadline. Why is it when the Wings are selling their players don't warrant the same as past years?
That's always been the asking price for players like that at the deadline. Why is it when the Wings are selling their players don't warrant the same as past years?
Frk It
Mo Seider Less Problems
- Jul 27, 2010
- 36,272
- 14,770
Two second's for Vanek is solid, IMO.
No interest in the other deals. I think Green should return a 1st, and I'm only trading him if he does.
rhef3
Registered User
Would love to get 1st's for both but my faith in kenny doing good trades is pretty low.
In fact i would be happy that he actually pulled the trigger, knowing him he won't do anything and just say "i couldn't find anything i was looking for" and hold on to them.
In fact i would be happy that he actually pulled the trigger, knowing him he won't do anything and just say "i couldn't find anything i was looking for" and hold on to them.
HisNoodliness
The Karate Kid and ASP Kai
Yeah I'll echo the other posters by saying I'd like a first. That being said I'd be ok with the Kings deal. Two seconds is pretty good value and it spreads our draft picks out. I'd still prefer a first.
My counter-proposals:
Vanek@50% to Chicago for 2018 1st
Green to Edmonton for 2017 1st and Caleb Jones/lesser prospect
Same deal with Ottawa. I like great one.
My counter-proposals:
Vanek@50% to Chicago for 2018 1st
Green to Edmonton for 2017 1st and Caleb Jones/lesser prospect
Same deal with Ottawa. I like great one.
I'm not sure I see anyone paying what it would take for us to part with Green. Would prefer a 1st for Vanek but wouldn't complain about 2 seconds.
Vladdy84
L-O-Y-A-L-T-Y
Green's value is lower than it would normally be because of the expansion draft. Wings will get max value if they protect him and wait until the summer to move him.
Mister Ed
Registered User
- Dec 21, 2008
- 5,256
- 969
Green and Jurco to Ottawa for Lazar would be pretty great. Lazar is a legit middle-6 player and is right handed too.
Or, if Ottawa is still interested in some help, a bigger trade of Vanek, trade Smith, Jurco and Vanek for Lazar and a 2017 1st.
Or, if Ottawa is still interested in some help, a bigger trade of Vanek, trade Smith, Jurco and Vanek for Lazar and a 2017 1st.
Vladdy84
L-O-Y-A-L-T-Y
TNigs
60 mins of Hell
Lazar is looking like a bust. I would do Green for him if a 1st was coming back as well.
jkutswings
hot piss hockey
- Jul 10, 2014
- 11,084
- 8,846
The sooner there starts to be a separation between buyers and sellers, the more it helps boost value. Right now, everybody except Colorado and Arizona is still in the mix, so nobody is anxious to do anything, especially with the expansion draft looming. Hopefully things are clearer in 3 weeks.
Assuming there's a better market at the end of the month, they still have a chance to get a first rounder for Vanek, and I'd hold out to the 11th hour trying to get one. But if they exhaust every option, and two 2nd rounders is the best deal on the table, absolutely take it.
Green is another matter, since there's arguments on both sides for whether his value would peak now or next year. I guess see if you can find a sucker to pony up, but if you can't, try again next year.
Assuming there's a better market at the end of the month, they still have a chance to get a first rounder for Vanek, and I'd hold out to the 11th hour trying to get one. But if they exhaust every option, and two 2nd rounders is the best deal on the table, absolutely take it.
Green is another matter, since there's arguments on both sides for whether his value would peak now or next year. I guess see if you can find a sucker to pony up, but if you can't, try again next year.
Retire91
Stevey Y you our Guy
- May 31, 2010
- 6,181
- 1,608
I would hold out for a first on Vanek we need a better prospect pool with first round picks and less project players.
Smith and Jurco just time to move on whatever we can get lets take it
Green needs to go for a first if its not offered then we try again next year.
No interest in Tolchinski. I like him as a player but we don't need more small project wingers we need elite talent and more urgently at C and D
Smith and Jurco just time to move on whatever we can get lets take it
Green needs to go for a first if its not offered then we try again next year.
No interest in Tolchinski. I like him as a player but we don't need more small project wingers we need elite talent and more urgently at C and D
Electric Eric
#91 To the Rafters!
Not like Jurco & Smith are setting the world on fire here.
Would do that trade easily IMO.
TNigs
60 mins of Hell
I would do the trade in the original post too, but the other poster I quoted offered Green and Jurco to Ottawa, which would require a 1st along with Lazar.
I feel exactly the opposite is true.
Let 25 teams feel like they're in the mix. Let the Wings be one of the few teams who recognize we're in sell mode and sell. Fewer teams selling + more teams buying = higher prices.
That's what we want, isn't it? I don't want separation. I want 29 teams to feel like they've got a chance and for the Wings to be the only seller.
Let's stop and think about this from the other perspective. How would you feel about Holland "buying" right now? This board would have a meltdown if he gave up futures for players. The teams sitting 17-25 would not have anymore interest in being a buyer right now, than we do.
There will not be 25 buyers now because any smart GM is going to take the wait and see which side of the coin their team falls on just like Holland is doing.
So while the concept of taking advantage of "25 teams feel(ing) like they are in the Mix" is nice in theory its disingenuous to reality.
jkutswings
hot piss hockey
- Jul 10, 2014
- 11,084
- 8,846
I see what you're saying, but the expansion protection is a huge factor. If that many teams are still in flux, it likely means that nobody is playing all that great, and not many teams will like their chances in the playoffs by adding one more piece, versus the liability of whom they protect in June.
There's points to both sides, but I'm guessing that Green is sticking around until at least this summer, and Vanek is the only guy they'd give much thought to moving at the deadline. We'll see.
In regards to OP, I align with the consensus here. Assuming they don't go a run here, I'd hold out for a 1st in exchange for Vanek but could settle for this proposal. I'd do the Jurco, Smith/Lazar swap and have no interest in the Green proposal.
It's still preferable to have 25 teams in the "wait and see" and only 5 teams selling versus 15 buyers and 15 sellers. The number of contenders and buyers likely remains static, but the fewer sellers there are the better return we can hope to get.
And my post was about the ideal, not what actually occurs. Ideally we'd want as many buyers as possible and as few sellers. So anyone saying they want "separation" is only hurting the sellers, us.
KasperTheGrittyGhost
Registered User
I'd do the Ottawa deal. I've proposed a deal with Carolina that they're fans seemed to be in favor of where we send Nyquist+Sheahan and receive Haydn Fleury+Phil Di Giuseppe+2nd.
