Possible trade and roster fixes for the Wings, Part III
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edler, he is going to get moved for a fraction of what hf board canuck posters demand, fill a need on 2nd unit with dekeyser and we dont need forwards just roster spots
kindl
andersson
pulkinnen
1st rd pick
Vladdy84
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I don't think so. They might not get a player of Nyquist's caliber (I've read the trade threads), but you can't get him for spare parts. It'll probably cost a player like Tatar as a starter, which is why I'm not really convinced that Holland will acquire Edler.
I truly hope you're right though, I really do.
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go ask isles fans how they feel about him playing 26 mins a night.
quincey produced too when he was used on a pp.
points/60 5on5 for quincey: 0.572
for AMac: 0.566
maybe he doesn't produce?
some of that could be said of quincey. no way he is #2. more like #4.
not a great skater, not a great first pass, can't hit the net, not great hockey sense. good at most stuff, not really great (or bad) at anything.
solid dman but not what would be the pressing need. re-signing quincey would be cheaper.
It's not much of a step down from Nyquist to Tatar. I hate two questions with about a trade with Vancouver, for anyone to answer.
One, what does Vancouver really need? I look at their blueline, where they would still have Bieksa, Hamhuis, and Garrison, and I don't think they'd be hard after a guy like Kindl or Smith. Just my take, though, unless they look to move another of those guys in another deal.
Two, assuming this deal is made over the summer (and I think it would because our cap situation is such a mess unless someone goes on LTIR for the rest of the year)...what would be the pushback against taking Booth with Edler if it means we send fewer assets back? Yeah, I know Booth's negatives...but it's one year, he has a history of playing well, and maybe it means we get Edler much cheaper - preserving assets to make another move elsewhere.
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young forwards. they have no need for kindl. he's just a cap dump there who has 3 more years on his deal.
one of tatar/nyquist is almost 'must' there.
i wouldn't do it. canucks fans obviously say we won't get it cheaper but it's not their money. owner might feel different.
no one really knows answer to that.
It's not a big step down (if any), I agree. Maybe I'm crazy, but I just get this feeling that around the league, people just view Nyquist as the better player. I think there's an assumption that all Swedes are good 2-way players, which is mostly true. Plus, Nyquist is already signed, but Tatar's should be very similar due to his RFA status and short NHL career.
Gustav Nyquist is better than Tomas Tatar, and they're different players. Tats is the more exciting creative offensive player with a below average defensive game where Nyquist is a smart two-way player (well will be). Both will hit similar numbers offensively IMO. Gus will be able to log more minutes though.
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nyquist had great NHL playoffs. tatar great AHL playoffs.
if one switched those around, i think tatar would be thought as the better player (around the league).
if one switched those around, i think tatar would be thought as the better player (around the league).
Pretty much what I was saying, but I'm not sure I'd call Gus a good 2-way player (yet). I've seen him make some great take-aways, but I've also seen him make some overly confident rookie mistakes, not nearly as many as Tatar though.
I think the jury is still out on Gus' defensive game.
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Vladdy84
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There's not a whole lot special about him... But crucify Holland when he probably won't get him off a Vancouver team that is still playing for a playoff spot anyways.
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!He backchecks hard, that's good.
But other than that, his defensive game isn't anything I've noticed as particularly good.
he should only be cruified if he wastes any assets(including any pick and any prospect) on an player not as good or as young as edler
if the plan is to keep our assets then by all means do just that
but dont waste a first rd pick on a quincey level player(a talinder or equivalent)
either make an impactful long term move or sit on your hands
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Edler had a goal last night....on the PP of course....he was also -3 (worst on the team) and was credited with 3 giveaways. Probably just bad luck again....
He's really not much more than a PP specialist. I used to really like him but he just hasn't looked good this year and it's a concern. Maybe it's just the coach maybe it's something else. I don't really hear anything about Edler being rumored anywhere else but Detroit. I've heard the Islanders maybe but considering Edler has a NTC he probably would decline to go there. I'd venture to say there's only a handful of teams Edler would approve a trade to. I'm not sure those few other teams are even willing to consider giving up the assets to acquire him. So its possible Detroit is really the only team in contention for him atm. Given that potential leverage and Edler's value being at an all time low, I wouldn't think the Wings would give up very much for him. It comes down to what VAN wants to do. If they really just want to move on, they don't think he'll ever gel with Torts, they might take a lowball offer since they may not have many other options. I doubt they would but I certainly don't think the Wings will meet VAN's reported demands.
The other issue is how do we fit Edler under the cap? Babcock likes Quincey, I honestly don't see them moving him. Kindl would likely be the guy to go but makes half what Edler makes. How do you come up with the other half? Would VAN be willing to retain 50% of Edler's salary?
Jakub Kindl
Landon Ferraro
2014 1st
2015 2nd
for
Edler (50% retained this year)
That would be my best offer. If it's not enough then so be it.
He's really not much more than a PP specialist. I used to really like him but he just hasn't looked good this year and it's a concern. Maybe it's just the coach maybe it's something else. I don't really hear anything about Edler being rumored anywhere else but Detroit. I've heard the Islanders maybe but considering Edler has a NTC he probably would decline to go there. I'd venture to say there's only a handful of teams Edler would approve a trade to. I'm not sure those few other teams are even willing to consider giving up the assets to acquire him. So its possible Detroit is really the only team in contention for him atm. Given that potential leverage and Edler's value being at an all time low, I wouldn't think the Wings would give up very much for him. It comes down to what VAN wants to do. If they really just want to move on, they don't think he'll ever gel with Torts, they might take a lowball offer since they may not have many other options. I doubt they would but I certainly don't think the Wings will meet VAN's reported demands.
The other issue is how do we fit Edler under the cap? Babcock likes Quincey, I honestly don't see them moving him. Kindl would likely be the guy to go but makes half what Edler makes. How do you come up with the other half? Would VAN be willing to retain 50% of Edler's salary?
Jakub Kindl
Landon Ferraro
2014 1st
2015 2nd
for
Edler (50% retained this year)
That would be my best offer. If it's not enough then so be it.
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Only a couple Canucks officially have full NTCs (Lu and Bieksa I believe). The rest haven't been said publicly if they are full or not, so Edler may not have a choice where he goes.
Vladdy84
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Agreed. Both Tats and Gus, back check well and make a few solid defensive plays. Tats is more physical. But Gus is way smarter with the puck. Different types of players though.
IF vancouver were to move edler it would be because they feel/recognize they need to change the culture a bit while also getting deeper and younger up front AND restocking their rather bare prospect depth
knocking 5 million off their long term cap is also a HUGE win for a team devoid of depth despite what some naysayer canuck fans would lead you to believe(could they use the money to land matt moulson during free agency?)
that all said the canucks are a playoff team and arent giving up on the season so they will want a body to play and contribute today without having to face edler(send him to the east)
1)andersson-gives them a young 3rd/4th line centre(perfect since santorelli is done for the year)
2)kindl-replaces edler as a body is young and can play on ther bottom pair right away
3)pulkinnen- skilled prospect redy to play starting next year
4)1st rd pick- how better to restock the cupboard then with more draft picks
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edler if it's trade.
girardi if he can be had on FA (without giving assets).
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