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Doesn't seem very Garth Snow like. We wouldn't want any of our kids to be poached. Also Strome/Nelson will be the 2C on this team by next year, no sense in blocking either of them out for that spot unless you convert both to wingers.
 
xECK29x said:
Doesn't seem very Garth Snow like. We wouldn't want any of our kids to be poached. Also Strome/Nelson will be the 2C on this team by next year, no sense in blocking either of them out for that spot unless you convert both to wingers.
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This is my thinking as well. Even though I'm salivating at the opportunity to screw the Rag$ over and create a nightmare for their fans. But I suppose beating them on the ice will be sweeter.
 
there's nothing to this. The story is just the writer's idea of what may be something the Islanders should consider - and I think it's not a good move at all, least of which to piss-off the NYR.

If you're interested in a player, then try and trade for him, rather than offer-sheet which rarely works, serves only to inflate salaries which does the NYI zero favours.

And Stepan isn't good enough to offer sheet. You don't waste an offer sheet on a "good" player - you do it for Shea Webber, Joe Sakic and Alex Pietrangelo (yes, him, contract talks have broken off and he could be a very special player at a position where the NYI lack a superstar)

Also, he should have checked his facts. Kadri signed last night.
 
redbull said:
there's nothing to this. The story is just the writer's idea of what may be something the Islanders should consider - and I think it's not a good move at all, least of which to piss-off the NYR.

If you're interested in a player, then try and trade for him, rather than offer-sheet which rarely works, serves only to inflate salaries which does the NYI zero favours.

And Stepan isn't good enough to offer sheet. You don't waste an offer sheet on a "good" player - you do it for Shea Webber, Joe Sakic and Alex Pietrangelo (yes, him, contract talks have broken off and he could be a very special player at a position where the NYI lack a superstar)

Also, he should have checked his facts. Kadri signed last night.
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Pretty sure he acknowledges this
 
I don't think its a bad idea, but we'd also probably end up trading Frans if they felt Nelson was ready for a being up in the NHL this season. Otherwise you'd have either Frans and Nelson on 4th line when either should be on 3rd or possibly 2nd line. On the plus side, it would gut the Rangers their top center.

That said, I don't see Snow doing this.
 
I have to say this is very intriguing and well thought out. Of course it is risky. Also I'm not so sure about the 5 million dollar price tag. I don't know much about Stepans character and I think that says a lot as to the type of guys we go after. If he is someone that would mesh well with the team then I would be all for this (hopefully cheaper than 5 mill), but if he potentially may be a problem in the locker room or not buy into what is happening here I would pass. Again I don't know Stepan so for me to have an opinion on this would be useless. I just hope that Garth and co. do their homework before making a move like this.
 
xECK29x said:
Doesn't seem very Garth Snow like. We wouldn't want any of our kids to be poached. Also Strome/Nelson will be the 2C on this team by next year, no sense in blocking either of them out for that spot unless you convert both to wingers.
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Just because he hasn't gotten an offer sheet done doesn't mean he wouldn't. As it stands, only a handful of teams have gotten players to sign offer sheets in the current cap era, which is a combination of most GMs being terrified of doing so and many RFAs are probably less inclined to sign offer sheets even though it makes a ton of business sense to do so.

If Stepan can get 6 years and 30 mil from some team he should probably go ahead and do that, regardless of Sather's feelings.
 
Islanders1932 said:
I have to say this is very intriguing and well thought out. Of course it is risky. Also I'm not so sure about the 5 million dollar price tag. I don't know much about Stepans character and I think that says a lot as to the type of guys we go after. If he is someone that would mesh well with the team then I would be all for this (hopefully cheaper than 5 mill), but if he potentially may be a problem in the locker room or not buy into what is happening here I would pass. Again I don't know Stepan so for me to have an opinion on this would be useless. I just hope that Garth and co. do their homework before making a move like this.
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He was captain of the US world junior team. Don't think there has ever been reported issues on his character.
 
Kinda makes me laugh when people say they dont want a young proven kid like Stepan who would be a great 2C in favor of Nelson/Strome who are not proven at this level at all and are likely to be better served on the wing anyway. Stepan would make this team better than it already is.
 
If you're going to offer sheet anyone it should be Petrangelo. Go big or go home.
 
isles31 said:
Kinda makes me laugh when people say they dont want a young proven kid like Stepan who would be a great 2C in favor of Nelson/Strome who are not proven at this level at all and are likely to be better served on the wing anyway. Stepan would make this team better than it already is.
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The question isn't whether or not someone would or wouldn't want Stepan on the team. The question is whether or not the compensatory picks would be worth giving up if he signed the offer sheet. Personally, I don't think so.
 
I would love it but I don't see it happening... But for Argument sake you could potentially have a future top six of...


Nelson/Bailey-Tavares-Okposo/Strome
Nelson/Bailey-Stepan-Okposo-Strome

That's no joke.... Also you could have a FA LW and put Nelson as your 3rd Center then you could have one of the best 4 man center sets in the game potentially imo


Tavares
Stepan
Nelson
Cizikas




Its a pipe dream though because the rags would match almost any offer imo...
 
Strummergas said:
The question isn't whether or not someone would or wouldn't want Stepan on the team. The question is whether or not the compensatory picks would be worth giving up if he signed the offer sheet. Personally, I don't think so.
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Exactly this, I would love Stepan on this team, he plays the right way.
 
I think the writer has a better chance at being lead ballerina for Swan Lake at the Met, than he does at his thoughts on Stepan and the Isles coming to fruition.
 
StrongIslanders90 said:
I would love it but I don't see it happening... But for Argument sake you could potentially have a future top six of...


Nelson/Bailey-Tavares-Okposo/Strome
Nelson/Bailey-Stepan-Okposo-Strome

That's no joke.... Also you could have a FA LW and put Nelson as your 3rd Center then you could have one of the best 4 man center sets in the game potentially imo


Tavares
Stepan
Nelson
Cizikas




Its a pipe dream though because the rags would match almost any offer imo...
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I think part of the point (for some people) is that it would screw the Rangers over heavily. If you put it a point where they can't match given their current cap structure, they will need to dump someone significant in order to keep Stepan. It shakes up their team and annoys the heck out of them.

As was said before though, I don't think this is a Snow-esque move. Also, I don't think it's wise to provoke this type of warfare, particularly as a team with an internal cap and tons of young budding stars who can get paid. Love the way Stepan plays though, and would like to get him on the team using normal means.
 
xECK29x said:
Doesn't seem very Garth Snow like. We wouldn't want any of our kids to be poached. Also Strome/Nelson will be the 2C on this team by next year, no sense in blocking either of them out for that spot unless you convert both to wingers.
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This doesn't seem very Snow like? What is Snow like? The only thing Snow has done during the rebuild is sign RFAs to cheap, long-term contracts and pick through the scrap heap. The Islanders are now exiting the rebuild, building off a playoff appearance, and announced they will be moving to a world class venue. I believe we have yet to see Snow's true colors. Stepan is one of the first RFAs to make sense for the Islanders, the entire core is basically locked up to cheap, long-term deals and the Islanders have ample cap space. Weber never made sense for the Islanders because of the money he was asking for and Hamonic and Bailey were not locked up. Both Bailey and Hamonic are now locked up and Stepan is asking for 4-5M, which is justifiable. Stepan is a legit top six centerman with a right shot who can help RIGHT NOW.

Also, this does not affect Strome what-so-ever. He's going to start in the AHL and should be up on the Island by the end of the year, on the wing. I also really don't see how this affects Nelson either, a big bodied forward who can play any position and in all zones will find his way into the lineup one way or another. Also, he's played one NHL game and you are penciling him in as the 2C next year? Nope.

To address your point on poaching. Both Bailey and Hamonic were RFAs this summer. They didn't get poached because no one has no money!!! That's what happens when David ****ing Clarkson is making 250K less than JT.
 
It's worth noting that the idea of the Isles offer sheeting Stepan was floated by Larry Brooks, which is how this IPB piece came about. I'm normally annoyed with offer sheet speculation but the circumstances here make it interesting.
 
Garth Snow won't.

But if he did do it, why do it for Stepan? We are set up front. Unless it's purely just to screw them over. McDonagh made more sense.

If we offered 5.25 per year for 4 years they would have to match at unfavorable terms. If they didn't, for whatever reason (because they would) then we have a beast center corps.
 
also the player has to be willing to sign an offer sheet....


Accepting an offer sheet from a hated rival and having the team match would be hard to deal with for a while with the fanbase...
It is a business but most people don't understand that...
 
I know there is nothing to this, but it actually would make sense. The loss of picks wouldn't be an issue, since at this point any 1st round pick should and would be used on a forward, and Stepan is most likely better than anything we will find in the middle of the 1st round; he's obviously ready to contribute right away; and he's only 23 so he would still be a core-piece.

The 2nd and 3rd(I believe that $5-6M compensation is a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, so correct me if I'm wrong) would be nothing more than solid depth prospects, which we have a ridiculous amount of at the moment. IMO, losing them wouldn't set us back at all. Not to mention, 2014 is already being considered a relatively weak draft, including the 1st round.

The only real downside would be the possible revenge factor, but A) the Rangers will probably be too tight up against the cap for the next several years to be a danger, and B) Garth has shown capable of getting his RFAs locked up quickly and effectively, so the Rangers might never even get the chance for revenge... at least not on a player worthy of offering the type of money it would take for the Isles to walk away.

I don't see this happening, but I wouldn't be mad if it did.
 
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