Poll: Individual accomplishment vs. team accomplishment
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Matthews could score 70 and it wouldn't matter if they still can't win a round
ACC1224
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Weird poll. No one will vote for Matthews here.
Great. He can go join McDavid in Edmonton and all their individual trophies with 0 playoff sucess.
Ask any NHL player. The cup is all that matters
Judas Tavares
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I don't think 60 should matter. 50 is a huge flex as is breaking the Leafs record. Once he hit 55 and 100. the rest just felt like bonus points to me. I don't think 60 is the biggest deal. If anything, it's just the difference of the mouth breathers on the main board calling him "not a 60-goal scorer" to make themselves feel better.
60 a is huge total, Auston may not have a chance to hit it again. Plenty of circumstances as to why, including injury, peak performance, team make up etc etc....
So if he doesn't hit it this year, he may never hit it.
But it doesn't matter. I'll take a series win and 58 goals any day. Tough to complain about 58 goals. Easy to complain about another 1st round loss.
60 a is huge total, Auston may not have a chance to hit it again. Plenty of circumstances as to why, including injury, peak performance, team make up etc etc....
So if he doesn't hit it this year, he may never hit it.
But it doesn't matter. I'll take a series win and 58 goals any day. Tough to complain about 58 goals. Easy to complain about another 1st round loss.
riffle
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Perhaps, but I've looked around here and seen many people at each other's throats. Looks like it is worn like a badge of honor by some. Never seen a site where people call out mods like they do here.
Winning is a panacea. I've seen what winning does for a community and how it breaks down barriers and unites people. Wish it was like that all the time, not just when a favorite sports team is winning. I'm guessing it was like that in the Kawhi-era in Toronto and GTA?
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I have asked. And you are wrong. It is the ultimate goal but you undervalue the regular season that they don't.
The grind of an 82 game schedule and the ability to perform while banged up and the travel, being away from family is something they value.
Individual success matters to them because it usually leads to team success.
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I've posted it before, and I will again. These players come and go, I will cheer for (and criticize) whoever wears this uniform. I love that we have seen and now have some great players, and I wish them nothing but great individual success. But at the end of the day, the team winning is all that matters to me, and the individuals who can make that happen regardless of their individual accomplishments will be the ones I remember most fondly.
That being said, the lack of both franchise and individual accomplishments since the '67 expansion are beyond ridiculous. So I am enjoying Matthews run, but if it ends in another first round loss, it means nothing in the big scheme of things for me.
That being said, the lack of both franchise and individual accomplishments since the '67 expansion are beyond ridiculous. So I am enjoying Matthews run, but if it ends in another first round loss, it means nothing in the big scheme of things for me.
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We can have both, why shouldn't we want both?
Individual success matters mostly because it makes them money, very few NHL players have the NBA-like attitude of valuing personal accomplishments over team success.
Look at Joe Thornton, who's 42 and still bouncing around team to team for league minimum in search of a cup. Ask him if he'd trade his Hart or Art Ross for a Stanley Cup, I'd bet he would.
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A poll on the Leafs board with unanimous results!
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It's like seeing a pig, juggling rocking horse shit, flying over a blue moon.
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False dichotomy. One situation occurring doesn't mean the other can't happen. I will say however that if Matthews doesn't hit 60 goals or Marner doesn't hit 100 points against Detroit on Tuesday that it'll be tough shit. I'd want both to sit out Friday against Boston for rest and to ensure no bigger than his britches Bruin tries to pull something.
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Honestly, personal accolades are incredible achievements but you cheer for the one thing you have seldom, usually the hardest things. For us its playoff series, and general competitiveness that we are insurmountable seemingly.
That is the ultimate goal of any franchise, especially the one with the *longest* drought in NHL history. A series win from this core after the payday, folllowing critical choke jobs year on year.
riffle
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I would bet that if the Leafs win a series and then lose in Round 2 vs. Auston hitting 60 (assuming he never does again) that 40 years from now, everyone here would remember Auston hitting 60 more than they would the Leafs winning a single playoff series.
Very, very, surprised to see the 40-to-1 split. I expected it to be a lot closer to 50-50 but am heartened that we're hungry for TEAM success. The hunger is immense for that, I see.
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