Confirmed with Link: POJ traded to Penguins for Future Considerations

[ChicagoBlues]

I was hoping POJ could replace Perunovich on the third pairing, but it turned out POJ wasn't even good enough for that. It's disappointing.

I think most of us, if not all, agree with you, Simon. The word out of PIT was that POJ was misutilized (that's a new word) and that a change of scenery would help and all that. It's disappointing because I wanted to enjoy the feel-good, family bro thang.

Dubas made a huge mistake in signing Graves.

That's a bum deal, but Dubas seems kinda lost in his head sometimes. Just looked at CW. He's got FOUR more years @4.5. Sheesh!

BTW, is that Kurt Russell from 'Used Cars' in your avatar?

Damn it, Fuchs!!

 

[Rudy Russo]

I think most of us, if not all, agree with you, Simon. The word out of PIT was that POJ was misutilized (that's a new word) and that a change of scenery would help and all that. It's disappointing because I wanted to enjoy the feel-good, family bro thang.


That's a bum deal, but Dubas seems kinda lost in his head sometimes.

BTW, is that Kurt Russell from 'Used Cars' in your avatar?

Damn it, Fuchs!!

 

[ChicagoBlues]

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We loved that movie growing up. Classic car film like Smokey and Bandit and Cannonball Run. We'd play Hot Wheels with these movies in mind.

That scene in which the final car was parked and the bumper popped out to give him that "mile of cars" or whatever it was. Funny stuff

 

[TheOrganist]

Good. He sucked. Funny some posters were advocating for MORE ice time for him as a criticism to the Fowler trade.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Good. He sucked. Funny some posters were advocating for MORE ice time for him as a criticism to the Fowler trade.

I don't remember individuals wanting more ice time for POJ, but, if they did, then can we trade them to HFPenguins for Future Considerations?

 

[Majorityof1]

Good. He sucked. Funny some posters were advocating for MORE ice time for him as a criticism to the Fowler trade.

Funny how you completely failed to understand the point. Actually, no that makes sense.

 

[TheOrganist]

Funny how you completely failed to understand the point. Actually, no that makes sense.

He is a rock. He is an island. Go die on the POJ hill. You’re the man.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

He had to have requested it. Why would we trade him at all unless he wanted it. He was completely buriable in the press box or AHL.

Or feedback from Montgomery has led to a couple moves. Or Armstrong has more confidence in Montgomery integrating young guys, so making room for permanent call-ups (probably not, but it could factor in).

This team has several veterans of borderline ability, filling in the roster until rising prospects displace them. Some have played better than expected, some have not. But it’s gratifying to see some of these guys start to be moved out. It makes me feel like more exciting moves aren’t far off where true core pieces start to fill in. If we aren’t a playoff team, I’d at least like to see more young player growth to engage my hopes.

 

[Majorityof1]

Or feedback from Montgomery has led to a couple moves. Or Armstrong has more confidence in Montgomery integrating young guys, so making room for permanent call-ups (probably not, but it could factor in).

This team has several veterans of borderline ability, filling in the roster until rising prospects displace them. Some have played better than expected, some have not. But it’s gratifying to see some of these guys start to be moved out. It makes me feel like more exciting moves aren’t far off where true core pieces start to fill in. If we aren’t a playoff team, I’d at least like to see more young player growth to engage my hopes.

I don't think it's to make room for younger guys, aside from Broberg. Poj was behind Suter (40) and Fowler (33). I assume he knew he was 4th on the totem poll at best. Possibly 5th behind Peru, and even further back if Leddy ever gets healthy. I guess he asked to be moved out somewhere he may have a better shot at PT.

Why would any feedback from Montgomery cause Armstrong to trade a guy for zero return? If Montgomery doesn't like him, he can just not play him. They could have sent him to Springfield to be available as depth later if need be. Its only fans who hate a player so much they want that player traded for literally nothing. A coach who doesn't like a player can just not play that player. Unless Armstrong is doing Joseph a favor, sending him some place he can play, or management is concerned about saving $500k (which is possible), then there was no reason to trade him.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

All I can say i could absolutely see Armstrong going to POJ and the conversation going

Army - "Hey, PO, so we're most likely going to he waiving you soon and there's a large chance you would be Claimed. Before I do that and you are claimed by a team that isn't ideal, is there any team you would prefer to go to so I can see if there's a position open for you so we can make sure you go somewhere you like"

PO - "Pittsburgh if Possible"

Army - "I'll see what i can do"

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

POJ was a good gamble. We gave a former first-rounder a change of scenery in a wide-open competition. He was super cheap. It’s a shame we couldn’t flip him for something, but nothing of value was lost by giving him a shot.

I generally liked POJ in his brief stint here. He was ok most of the time, and he made some good breakout passes. No harm no foul all around.

Wish him the best back in Pitt

 

[Bluesnatic27]

I’m a little disappointed in seeing him go. I don’t have much to say about him as a talent. But I did like the story of having the brothers play together. It was a nice, harmless little story for the season.

Oh well. I hope he has success in Pittsburgh. Not expecting better results, but one can still hope.

 

[Reality Czech]

I don't remember individuals wanting more ice time for POJ, but, if they did, then can we trade them to HFPenguins for Future Considerations?

I'll add a 5th just to get Pittsburgh to take them.

 

[TheOrganist]

Funny how you completely failed to understand the point. Actually, no that makes sense.

I didn’t misunderstand anything. You literally posted in the Fowler trade thread to play POJ more referencing his age and to let him and the other mediocre, not so young defenseman in our system to play more and let them “sink or swim.”

 

[Majorityof1]

I didn’t misunderstand anything. You literally posted in the Fowler trade thread to play POJ more referencing his age and to let him and the other mediocre, not so young defenseman in our system to play more and let them “sink or swim.”

No. Someone posted that we were ruining young guys development by overplaying them. I was pointing out the that any of the players we would possibly overplay had we not acquired Fowler aren't "young".

I listed multiple options ahead of POJ that could gave been given more ice time. And I clearly stated the goal was not for the player to be successful. I didn't care of they made mistakes, because my goal is to preserve assets, not vainly try to be competitive this year.

You are either being extremely disingenuous to mischaracterize my viewpoint as thinking POJ is some great player or you cannot fathom a view where someone would want to take a brief step back to then take a bigger leap forward. Either way, that says a TON more about you than it does about me.

 

[TheOrganist]

No. Someone posted that we were ruining young guys development by overplaying them. I was pointing out the that any of the players we would possibly overplay had we not acquired Fowler aren't "young".

I listed multiple options ahead of POJ that could gave been given more ice time. And I clearly stated the goal was not for the player to be successful. I didn't care of they made mistakes, because my goal is to preserve assets, not vainly try to be competitive this year.

You are either being extremely disingenuous to mischaracterize my viewpoint as thinking POJ is some great player or you cannot fathom a view where someone would want to take a brief step back to then take a bigger leap forward. Either way, that says a TON more about you than it does about me.

Yes, you're such an intellectual heavy that your viewpoint was not decipherable. Jesus.

You've been vocal that the retool will not be successful long-term b/c Armstrong elected not to bottom out and it clouds your opinion of every decision. Your hypothesis will not be known for some time. I actually felt similarly in probably 2023 but I give Armstrong credit for navigating both the short-term and long-term objectives of the franchises rather successfully. They are not bottoming out so I don't understand why we are still having this conversation as a fanbase. That debate is over. Now it's time to watch and analyze the results of this decision.

Currently, Armstrong is trying to improve the team at the margins while not sacrificing any significant long-term piece. Perhaps it's an edict from ownership to stay semi-relevant. But trading a 2nd round pick for a stop-gap defenseman like Fowler that it no way blocks any significant young defenseman but also stabilizes the blueline (which has a core piece in Broberg who was starting to get overexposed) is not mortgaging any future. We're not trading Lindstein and 1st for Malkin. You seem to have difficulty making the distinction.

 

[mk80]

At least Doug waited until after the social media staff posted the promo video of the Joseph brothers in the record store to make this move.

The storyline of having both on the same was intriguing going into the season but ultimately hockey wise, not much is lost with this trade. And it’s much better for him than being put on waivers