Value of: Please Give Honest Trade Values For NY Rangers

[NickyFotiu]

Please Give Honest Trade Values For Each Or Any Of These NY Rangers Individually.​

Mika Zibanejad

Chris Kreider

K'Andre Miller

Adam Fox

Artemi Panarin

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[PlayMakers]

Please Give Honest Trade Values For Each Or Any Of These NY Rangers Individually.​

Mika Zibanejad

Chris Kreider

K'Andre Miller

Adam Fox

Artemi Panarin

Zibanejad - High risk, it would cost you a 1st to move him.
Kreider - Moderate risk, it would cost you a 2nd to move him.
Miller - More than a 1st... maybe a top prospect or young top6 NHL forward.
Fox - Pettersson straight up. (NOT saying they should trade for him, just using him as a place holder for value.)
Panarin - Full NMC hurts his value. Like JT Miller he can pick his spot so you take what you can get.

 

[Sticksandsun]

For Fox, I'd easily do

Ekblad with extension
2026 1st
2027 1st/Samoskevich

Having Forsling and Fox on separate pairings for ~50 mins a night would be unreal.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Zibanejad - High risk, it would cost you a 1st to move him.
Kreider - Moderate risk, it would cost you a 2nd to move him.
Miller - More than a 1st... maybe a top prospect or young top6 NHL forward.
Fox - Pettersson straight up. (NOT saying they should trade for him, just using him as a place holder for value.)
Panarin - Full NMC hurts his value. Like JT Miller he can pick his spot so you take what you can get.

I strongly disagree that we have to give up a 2nd to trade CK. We would get an asset back imo but I do thank you for your answers.

For Fox, I'd easily do

Ekblad with extension
2026 1st
2027 1st/Samoskevich

Having Forsling and Fox on separate pairings for ~50 mins a night would be unreal.

Thank you.

 

[MB3]

I strongly disagree that we have to give up a first to trade CK. We would get an asset back imo but I do thank you for your answers.

Chris Kreider is 33 years old.

Chris Kreider has 11 points in 47 games at 5-on-5. Eleven.

Chris Kreider has one powerplay assist (secondary) in 60 minutes of power play time this season.

Chris Kreider has 2.5 years left at $6.5m and a NMC.

You are either being tongue in cheek or you are typing this post from 2023.

 

[majormajor]

Mika Zibanejad - 1st to move him. There will be some clubs that strike out in UFA and look at Mika as a fallback (if you can make him waive), but they'll still make you pay to take him.

Chris Kreider - can likely be moved at some point for close to nothing (nothing extra on either side). He's not been good but with only two years left on his deal, there will be teams not on his 15 team list with the cap space who want his experience and think he can rebound a bit.

K'Andre Miller - He would return the equivalent of a couple mid-late 1sts or a 7-13 pick. I think there will be a wide range of opinions on whether K'Andre Miller actually has high upside. But there's likely a trade partner out there willing to take the gamble that he'll pop for them.

Adam Fox - Should garner an enormous return, you'd have to think in terms of the best prospects in the game (Leonard, Buium, etc...), likely along with multiple 1sts attached.

Artemi Panarin - Assuming you can get him to waive to go to a contender, you'd have to have significant payments for retention involved. It's a deadline type of move, either this one or the next. As a rental the prices there are standard and don't scale up with talent, so late 1st+ B prospect for one run with Panarin, and a couple seconds can be paid out for retention. If it's at this deadline you might get a lot more though. There would also be a lot of non contending clubs that would love to get Panarin and wouldn't need retention, but he's likely not interested in waiving for that.

For Fox, I'd easily do

Ekblad with extension
2026 1st
2027 1st/Samoskevich

Having Forsling and Fox on separate pairings for ~50 mins a night would be unreal.

That isn't remotely close, the Panthers don't have the young assets to make this type of trade.

 

[PlayMakers]

I strongly disagree that we have to give up a first to trade CK. We would get an asset back imo but I do thank you for your answers.


Thank you.

I said a 2nd to move CK, but no worries, just my opinion.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Chris Kreider is 33 years old.

Chris Kreider has 11 points in 47 games at 5-on-5. Eleven.

Chris Kreider has one powerplay assist (secondary) in 60 minutes of power play time this season.

Chris Kreider has 2.5 years left at $6.5m and a NMC.

You are either being tongue in cheek or you are typing this post from 2023.

CK was never a big assist guy but he set a career high in assists around 8 months ago. He started the season scoring goals. He has likely been playing through a back situation. It is unlikely that CK could skate well and score in the first 2 weeks of the season but then magically lost that ability for 3 months.

 

[MB3]

Please Give Honest Trade Values For Each Or Any Of These NY Rangers Individually.​

Mika Zibanejad

Chris Kreider

K'Andre Miller

Adam Fox

Artemi Panarin

Zibanejad: Truly one of the worst contracts in the entire sport and borderline unmovable. Making $8.5m for his age 32-37 seasons with a full NMC. Tons of actual cash left on the deal so he won't be an easy cap dump on a team looking to reach the ceiling. Already producing like a third liner, while getting major minutes and being given a rotating door of skilled linemates. He will be a New York Ranger for a long time.

Kreider: See above. Less unmovable because 6.5m isn't bad, but he's a shell of himself and I cannot imagine someone taking that contract on without a 1st+ coming with him.

Miller: With such a terrible season so far, he's probably infinitely more valuable to the Rangers than he would be on the open market. I don't think the Rangers are dumb enough to sell low, and I don't think teams are lining up to buy him at his 2023-2024 price.

Adam Fox: Would fetch a massive return. NMC kicks in July 1, so you'd better make the move now if you want to trade him.

Artemi Panarin: If the Rangers were smart and actually committed to a re-build, a retained contract on Artemi Panarin is the kind of player that returns one of those "holy shit" trade deadline hauls. He's averaged over 100 points per 82 games played every single year in New York. 1st, bluechip prospect, and young NHL regular at the absolute minimum if the Rangers decided to retain 50% of the cap hit. Even without retainage, it's probably a 1st and a top prospect.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I said a 2nd for CK, but no worries, just my opinion.

Maybe your wording is confusing me. It reads like you are saying it would cost us a 2nd to move him. Thank you.

 

[PlayMakers]

Maybe your wording is confusing me. It reads like you are saying it would cost us a 2nd to move him. Thank you.

Yes, that's correct. I think it would cost you a 2nd to move him. You claimed I said it would cost you a 1st to move him.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Chris Kreider is 33 years old.

Chris Kreider has 11 points in 47 games at 5-on-5. Eleven.

Chris Kreider has one powerplay assist (secondary) in 60 minutes of power play time this season.

Chris Kreider has 2.5 years left at $6.5m and a NMC.

You are either being tongue in cheek or you are typing this post from 2023.

NHL GMs are pretty dumb. Chris Kreider has a "reputation" around the league. The Rangers could still trade him at positive value IMHO. Despite his awful stats. It might not yield the Rangers any great return. But it won't be purely negative value IMHO.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Zibanejad: Truly one of the worst contracts in the entire sport and borderline unmovable. Making $8.5m for his age 32-37 seasons with a full NMC. Tons of actual cash left on the deal so he won't be an easy cap dump on a team looking to reach the ceiling. Already producing like a third liner, while getting major minutes and being given a rotating door of skilled linemates. He will be a New York Ranger for a long time.

Kreider: See above. Less unmovable because 6.5m isn't bad, but he's a shell of himself and I cannot imagine someone taking that contract on without a 1st+ coming with him.

Miller: With such a terrible season so far, he's probably infinitely more valuable to the Rangers than he would be on the open market. I don't think the Rangers are dumb enough to sell low, and I don't think teams are lining up to buy him at his 2023-2024 price.

Adam Fox: Would fetch a massive return. NMC kicks in July 1, so you'd better make the move now if you want to trade him.

Artemi Panarin: If the Rangers were smart and actually committed to a re-build, a retained contract on Artemi Panarin is the kind of player that returns one of those "holy shit" trade deadline hauls. He's averaged over 100 points per 82 games played every single year in New York. 1st, bluechip prospect, and young NHL regular at the absolute minimum if the Rangers decided to retain 50% of the cap hit. Even without retainage, it's probably a 1st and a top prospect.

No offense but I think its insane that you think we would have to give away a 1st plus to trade CK. Did you feel that way about Trouba as well? Teams know CK has been playing with a back issue. If he gets healthy he has been a lock for 30 goals. Even this season playing with the back he will probably be 20 goals.

Yes, that's correct. I think it would cost you a 2nd to move him. You claimed I said it would cost you a 1st to move him.

My bad. I will edit my post. Still strongly disagree. See Trouba trade.

 

[DesertPenguin]

The Rangers are probably worth the Boston Bruins and a 3rd.

 

[Sticksandsun]

Mika Zibanejad - 1st to move him. There will be some clubs that strike out in UFA and look at Mika as a fallback (if you can make him waive), but they'll still make you pay to take him.

Chris Kreider - can likely be moved at some point for close to nothing (nothing extra on either side). He's not been good but with only two years left on his deal, there will be teams not on his 15 team list with the cap space who want his experience and think he can rebound a bit.

K'Andre Miller - He would return the equivalent of a couple mid-late 1sts or a 7-13 pick. I think there will be a wide range of opinions on whether K'Andre Miller actually has high upside. But there's likely a trade partner out there willing to take the gamble that he'll pop for them.

Adam Fox - Should garner an enormous return, you'd have to think in terms of the best prospects in the game (Leonard, Buium, etc...), likely along with multiple 1sts attached.

Artemi Panarin - Assuming you can get him to waive to go to a contender, you'd have to have significant payments for retention involved. It's a deadline type of move, either this one or the next. As a rental the prices there are standard and don't scale up with talent, so late 1st+ B prospect for one run with Panarin, and a couple seconds can be paid out for retention. If it's at this deadline you might get a lot more though. There would also be a lot of non contending clubs that would love to get Panarin and wouldn't need retention, but he's likely not interested in waiving for that.



That isn't remotely close, the Panthers don't have the young assets to make this type of trade.

The Ekblad disrespect will not continue.

 

[biturbo19]

Poor season aside, K'Andre Miller would likely still have pretty substantial value. Big defencemen who can skate and have put up some alright points and substantial minutes will always have value around the league. Particularly when they're reasonably young still. Weak season also likely means his "big deal" coming off that bridge, might not be quite as big as it looked like it'd be last year.


All the rest of those guys though...it's next to impossible to really ballpark a "value" because their contracts all make them very elaborate, complicated deals with a lot of extra moving parts just to make the cap work. What it takes to make the cap palatable or fit for various teams can radically alter what that kind of deal ultimately looks like. What their term looks like and what their NTC situation is totally changes the landscape of what a realistic deal would look like. I mean...just look at the JT Miller deal, and how the cap, term, and other extenuating factors influenced what the actual "return" ultimately ended up being. Those sort of deals are nearly impossible to slap an itemized "value" on in a vacuum. You have to really break it down on a team-by-team basis amongst potential suitors, and the various pieces and situations they have that could make a deal viable.

 

[Ford Prefect]

No offense but I think its insane that you think we would have to give away a 1st plus to trade CK. Did you feel that way about Trouba as well? Teams know CK has been playing with a back issue. If he gets healthy he has been a lock for 30 goals. Even this season playing with the back he will probably be 20 goals.


My bad. I will edit my post. Still strongly disagree. See Trouba trade.

Keep in mind that it cost Calgary a 1st to trade one year of Monohan at $6 million, and IIRC, Toronto had to give up a 1st to get rid of 1 year of Marleau at the same price. Granted, the cap wasn't projected to increase as it is now, but the market has been set. Back injuries to players in their 30s don't age well. Especially when they're not doing the only thing they're really good at. I mean no one is acquiring him for the PK...

 

[Bender]

Zibanejad - High risk, it would cost you a 1st to move him.
Kreider - Moderate risk, it would cost you a 2nd to move him.
Miller - More than a 1st... maybe a top prospect or young top6 NHL forward.
Fox - Pettersson straight up. (NOT saying they should trade for him, just using him as a place holder for value.)
Panarin - Full NMC hurts his value. Like JT Miller he can pick his spot so you take what you can get.

I'd love to see it. I miss having Miller and EP40 on the same team - deep down, I bet they both miss it too.

 

[bernmeister]

Please Give Honest Trade Values For Each Or Any Of These NY Rangers Individually.​

Mika Zibanejad

Chris Kreider

K'Andre Miller

Adam Fox

Artemi Panarin

Mika Zibanejad
while we are seeing some return from the abyss, obv he sucked ass for a month and a half and that plus contract full pop is unmovable except for an even worse contract, and that is notwithstanding that he has a strong nmc, which we think he would only move to NYI or BOS.

So it starts w/full pop 50% retention so it is 4.25
then you get a 3rd team like ANA to eat like 1.75 per x 4 seasons after this [ducks throw a bone for last 20 something games], which per Marleau standard = like 4 6ths, or in that area. In lieu of 4 6ths, Rs cough up Smith, who they can use and is worth a 2nd

So now you have Zib at 2.5ish per to NYI
at that #, plus fact Zib would be younger add they need, plus fact they need to do some crazy shit like this to get back butts in the seats,
this works for them
expiring cap dump(s) to NYR is fine

going forward Rs listen to bern and no more nmcs
extensive ntcs, maybe, but no nmcs


Chris Kreider
depends on the status of his back
after first coupla months, back issues
has gotten better w/rest and reduced duty
a team would have to want to take a chance that this is mostly ok going forward
he can't be expected to go 111% full tilt 111% of the time,
but he can go often enough, and is electric when he does

unlike Zib, Rs do NOT HAVE TO trade ck
so small # of competitive bids drives up price,
for a bit extra retaining is possible, so assume that is the case
mid 1st or better plus better high end younger player


K'Andre Miller
this is a guy w/all you want -- size, reach, strength, sufficient speed
has time to time been victimized by bad partner and tried to do too much

I would want top $ here and that would be set by competitive bidding, which will not be ferocious, but legitimate

I am inclined to keep at 6-ish x 8 w/no nmc, decent ntcs
but will consider offers

Adam Fox
want top, top $
his game has warts but it is also elite in parts

am open to smaller deal, or lots of pref primo youth


Artemi Panarin
max retain to like DAL for late 1st + Bischel
ny eats reasonable cap dump for cap balance

 

[NickyFotiu]

Keep in mind that it cost Calgary a 1st to trade one year of Monohan at $6 million, and IIRC, Toronto had to give up a 1st to get rid of 1 year of Marleau at the same price. Granted, the cap wasn't projected to increase as it is now, but the market has been set. Back injuries to players in their 30s don't age well. Especially when they're not doing the only thing they're really good at. I mean no one is acquiring him for the PK...

I do not think we are looking to move CK for cap room. In fact we could retain some salary in the right deal. We would only move him for assets. We moved Trouba and retained nothing plus got 2 assets back. A lot could depend on CK and if his back will come around.

 

[bernmeister]

Keep in mind that it cost Calgary a 1st to trade one year of Monohan at $6 million, and IIRC, Toronto had to give up a 1st to get rid of 1 year of Marleau at the same price. Granted, the cap wasn't projected to increase as it is now, but the market has been set. Back injuries to players in their 30s don't age well. Especially when they're not doing the only thing they're really good at. I mean no one is acquiring him for the PK...

I agree that the Marleau standard remains a flexible barometer -- until it doesn't

But Rs can eat half just to get it started


As to performance, if an adjustment is made to reflect how he requires treatment, and is showing he will play well with treatment to the extent I posted earlier, there will be bids for this guy who is not long term and showed some zip last 4Nations game

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I agree that the Marleau standard remains a flexible barometer -- until it doesn't

But Rs can eat half just to get it started


As to performance, if an adjustment is made to reflect how he requires treatment, and is showing he will play well with treatment to the extent I posted earlier, there will be bids for this guy who is not long term and showed some zip last 4Nations game

Your Marleau standard is a little oversimplistic for these times and not really applicable to Zibanejad. This is especially true if the Rangers are willing to eat 50%. Marleau's buyout was a 35+ buyout for about 8% of the cap that year for a 1st. Zib still has to go the traditional buyout option which no one will do.

 

[Grinner]

Mika Zibanejad
while we are seeing some return from the abyss, obv he sucked ass for a month and a half and that plus contract full pop is unmovable except for an even worse contract, and that is notwithstanding that he has a strong nmc, which we think he would only move to NYI or BOS.

So it starts w/full pop 50% retention so it is 4.25
then you get a 3rd team like ANA to eat like 1.75 per x 4 seasons after this [ducks throw a bone for last 20 something games], which per Marleau standard = like 4 6ths, or in that area. In lieu of 4 6ths, Rs cough up Smith, who they can use and is worth a 2nd

So now you have Zib at 2.5ish per to NYI
at that #, plus fact Zib would be younger add they need, plus fact they need to do some crazy shit like this to get back butts in the seats,
this works for them
expiring cap dump(s) to NYR is fine

going forward Rs listen to bern and no more nmcs
extensive ntcs, maybe, but no nmcs


Chris Kreider
depends on the status of his back
after first coupla months, back issues
has gotten better w/rest and reduced duty
a team would have to want to take a chance that this is mostly ok going forward
he can't be expected to go 111% full tilt 111% of the time,
but he can go often enough, and is electric when he does

unlike Zib, Rs do NOT HAVE TO trade ck
so small # of competitive bids drives up price,
for a bit extra retaining is possible, so assume that is the case
mid 1st or better plus better high end younger player


K'Andre Miller
this is a guy w/all you want -- size, reach, strength, sufficient speed
has time to time been victimized by bad partner and tried to do too much

I would want top $ here and that would be set by competitive bidding, which will not be ferocious, but legitimate

I am inclined to keep at 6-ish x 8 w/no nmc, decent ntcs
but will consider offers

Adam Fox
want top, top $
his game has warts but it is also elite in parts

am open to smaller deal, or lots of pref primo youth


Artemi Panarin
max retain to like DAL for late 1st + Bischel
ny eats reasonable cap dump for cap balance

Miller is the classic all the tools and no tool box player.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...moving Fox or Miller is, imo, a BAD idea for the Rangers; moving STUD defensemen never get you back what they are truly worth to their team...Zibanejad & Kreider won't get their value back due to their situations (contracts, age, etc)...Panarin is a rough one to nail down; he chooses where he goes, so that may impede getting full value back...

 

[Ducks DVM]

I do not think we are looking to move CK for cap room. In fact we could retain some salary in the right deal. We would only move him for assets. We moved Trouba and retained nothing plus got 2 assets back. A lot could depend on CK and if his back will come around.

Trouba was a change of scenery player. Kreider is a 33 year old power forward with a bad back. The two are not comparable.