Playoff Grade Card

amberdawn

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:shakehead He had rib cartilage damage in the last half of the series. He had a couple of dumb penalties, got called for one where it was an obvious dive. Does this deserve to be bought out? Absolutely not. Stay calm poeple...stay calm.

no he didn't. got that when he hit the boards the last game.watched wiz all yr with all his bonehead mistakes. grant it he has a hell of a shot, but can't pass or play defense and is our slowest defenseman on the team by far. is a very nice person no doubt about that and is a good locker room guy but they pay him to play DEFENSE ok which is not his forte.
 

Double-Shift Lasse

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even better, them working as a pair...those were terrible games...

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Dubinsky A+
Calvert A+
Johnson A+
Jenner A+
Atkinson A
Johansen A
Savard B+
MacKenzie B+
Murray B
Nikitin B-
Anisimov B-
Foligno B-
Bobrovsky C+
Tyutin C
Letestu C
Umberger C
Schultz C
Skille D
Wisniewski D
Boll D-
Comeau F
 

Cyclones Rock

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Dubinsky A
Jenner A-
Foligno B+
Calvert B+
Johansen B
MacKenzie B
Anisimov C
Atkinson C-
Letestu C+
Umberger C-
Skille C-
Boll C-
Comeau D-

Johnson A
Savard B+
Murray B
Tyutin B-
Nikitin C
Schultz C
Wisniewski D

Bobrovsky C

Richards B
Game Ops B+
The Fifth Line A+
Officiating D+

And I thought the coverage by the Dispatch and Sirius XM was excellent (ducks).

Man, you almost stole my card:laugh: In particular, I agree with the "C" that you gave Bob and the "B" that you gave the coach. Bob didn't rise as well to the occasion as I would have like to have seen (except game #5) and Richards use of Skille and dressing Boll and Umberger didn't sit well with me.

I'll give Calvert an A- just for being so central in game 2...the first playoff franchise win ever...a little extra credit is due. Comeau's stupid penalties only warranted a C- to me and veteran Wiz' performance in games 5 and 6 would have gotten the only Flag on the roster from me. I really think he "earned" an F.

You're not a grade inflator either. You could never be a teacher in today's bogus self-esteem driven grading systems:laugh:
 

CBJWerenski8

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Dubinsky - A
Jenner - A-
Calvert - B
Johansen - B
MacKenzie - B-
Anisimov - C+
Letestu - C
Foligno - C
Umberger - C
Atkinson - C-
Skille - C-
Boll - C-
Comeau - D

Johnson - A
Savard - B+
Tyutin - C
Murray - C
Nikitin - C-
Schultz - C-
Prout - C-
Wisniewski - D

Bobrovsky - B-
 

db2011

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Guys who I thought raised their games in this postseason:
Dubinsky
Johnson
Savard (possibly the most impressive compared to my expectation)
Jenner
Mackenzie

Guys who I thought did not rise to the occasion:
Wisniewski
Atkinson
Nikitin

Players whose contributions were positive but not over and above expectation:
Calvert (a bit unfair, as he had a terrific series, but I don't feel like he raised his game)
Johansen
Foligno
Murray
Umberger (incomplete, and a bit unfair to these others listed, but he gets a bonus for his game 4 effort)

Guys who didn't raise their game and who perhaps didn't play poorly but from whom more was needed:
Anisimov
Letestu
Tyutin
Bobrovsky (was real close to putting him in the Wiz category)

Guys who were guys:
Boll
Schultz
Skille

Guys who just confused the hell out of me:
Comeau

I don't wanna make a grade card so I'll piggy back off yours to point out that I think you're being too hard on Calvert and Letestu. I thought Calvert played his ass off and was quite effective. He was a couple inches high in game 4 from getting an A from me. The guy gets it, unlike the guy who he's probably unfairly always associated with in my mind, Cam.

Letestu didn't score many points but I thought he showed well. He was the reason for a couple of important goals in my mind, although the only one I can remember was the first Jackets goal in game 4.

I've read a few threads now and am still not clear on the Wiz injury, I didn't know he was injured until I started reading these threads. That gives him some leeway; I'm not going to comment much because we all know he was AWFUL. I want to say that Richards choosing to dress him was a calculated risk because there was a reasonable expectation of a goal or two from him from the point. But he seemed to avoid shooting too much, which must have been due to his injury, and without his shot he's not providing a whole lot else. Still, no way do you buy the guy out, he was instrumental in the regular season.

Bob didn't stink, but he could have played much better. I'm hopeful another trip to the playoffs gets him clear of whatever jitters he may have had in these.

I really wonder what this series would have been like with a healthy Horton.
 

Nordique

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I agree. Anything more than year to year with Richards is a mistake imo, until he really gets this team to live up to its potential.

I heard the guys on 97.1 giving Richards a lot of credit for this playoff season. First, I don't think making the playoffs is any overachievement given the talent on the bench, second I'm glad we played well vs Pitt and showed that this is a hockey town, but I'm not overly impressed by a first round exit in 6 games. If the coaching of the team was excellent, we'd have beaten Philly or NYR in the first round, instead of finishing in a wild card slot.

I certainly don't think he's a bad coach, but we've definitely had better.
 

jacketsinDC

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I'll grade them as a team because they played like one: A-

Happy with their growth this season and with the results. Next year win a series. I would have graded skille/dmac/calvert/letestu a little higher than most because they aren't high-paid, high-expectation players. Letestu makes 1 mil and outperformed that valuation. Calvert was great for a smallish 3rd line winger.
I liked what dubinsky said about the team playing playoff hockey since christmas or whenever ... they looked worn out.
 

Nordique

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I'll grade them as a team because they played like one: A-

Happy with their growth this season and with the results. Next year win a series. I would have graded skille/dmac/calvert/letestu a little higher than most because they aren't high-paid, high-expectation players. Letestu makes 1 mil and outperformed that valuation. Calvert was great for a smallish 3rd line winger.
I liked what dubinsky said about the team playing playoff hockey since christmas or whenever ... they looked worn out.

It does drain them having to catchup after another terrible start. Todd has to have them playing like the post holiday CBJ by November if we're going to contend for 1st or 2nd in the division.
 

Sore Loser

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Absolutely. He's really good at letting them in. :sarcasm:

One of my favorite comments that I ever heard was to our former rec league goalie at the end of last year, as he pulled up in his truck and stopped to say goodbye...

"Wow man, you stopped your truck! That's one for the night!"

/burnt
 

EspenK

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I agree. Anything more than year to year with Richards is a mistake imo, until he really gets this team to live up to its potential.

I heard the guys on 97.1 giving Richards a lot of credit for this playoff season. First, I don't think making the playoffs is any overachievement given the talent on the bench, second I'm glad we played well vs Pitt and showed that this is a hockey town, but I'm not overly impressed by a first round exit in 6 games. If the coaching of the team was excellent, we'd have beaten Philly or NYR in the first round, instead of finishing in a wild card slot.

I certainly don't think he's a bad coach, but we've definitely had better.


As to the first bolded point - how do you know he didn't?

As to the second- really? Except for Hitch there is no one else. Surely not Claude or Scott or Gerard. Maybe Dave King but his lack of head coaching jobs elsewhere in the league suggest otherwise.
 

JACKETfan

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Bob gets a "D" from me.
But only because we've seen his "A" game and he didn't bring it when we needed it.

Wiz gets an "PASS" due to the serious injuries he was playing through.
 

MoeBartoli

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I don't wanna make a grade card so I'll piggy back off yours to point out that I think you're being too hard on Calvert and Letestu. I thought Calvert played his ass off and was quite effective. He was a couple inches high in game 4 from getting an A from me. The guy gets it, unlike the guy who he's probably unfairly always associated with in my mind, Cam.

Letestu didn't score many points but I thought he showed well. He was the reason for a couple of important goals in my mind, although the only one I can remember was the first Jackets goal in game 4.

I've read a few threads now and am still not clear on the Wiz injury, I didn't know he was injured until I started reading these threads. That gives him some leeway; I'm not going to comment much because we all know he was AWFUL. I want to say that Richards choosing to dress him was a calculated risk because there was a reasonable expectation of a goal or two from him from the point. But he seemed to avoid shooting too much, which must have been due to his injury, and without his shot he's not providing a whole lot else. Still, no way do you buy the guy out, he was instrumental in the regular season.

Bob didn't stink, but he could have played much better. I'm hopeful another trip to the playoffs gets him clear of whatever jitters he may have had in these.

I really wonder what this series would have been like with a healthy Horton.

Not that you need my confirmation, but I thought this was a good post. I agree with your points on Calvert and Letestu. I especially thought the Letestu was very good on face-offs, passes without turnovers and his penalty kills of which there were too many.

I also would add that I think some of the criticism on Bob is a bit tough s some would say fleury outplayed him. But there's no comparisons on the shots on goal or in the quality shots he faced. Bob was far more active and having to defend his end. He wasn't great - it wasn't bad - I thought he was average

I know I skipped Wiz. It wasn't his best series. But those calling for his scalp, hide or trade ate off-base. He was central to our success for 82 games. On a scoring challenged team like ours, he is needed defenseman. He needs to be appropriately used which means no penalty kills and limited stints against the top line
 

DarkandStormy

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He was central to our success for 82 games. On a scoring challenged team like ours, he is needed defenseman. He needs to be appropriately used which means no penalty kills and limited stints against the top line

Wow, it must be nice to be "scoring challenged" while finishing in the top 12 in the league in goals per game.
 

IHeartZherdev*

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I agree. Anything more than year to year with Richards is a mistake imo, until he really gets this team to live up to its potential.

I heard the guys on 97.1 giving Richards a lot of credit for this playoff season. First, I don't think making the playoffs is any overachievement given the talent on the bench, second I'm glad we played well vs Pitt and showed that this is a hockey town, but I'm not overly impressed by a first round exit in 6 games. If the coaching of the team was excellent, we'd have beaten Philly or NYR in the first round, instead of finishing in a wild card slot.

I certainly don't think he's a bad coach, but we've definitely had better.

Is this a joke? The talent on the bench? Our roster is almost entirely 4th liners/NHL waiver wire fodder that couldn't crack most contender's lineups.

Shultz, Tropp, Comeau, Mackenzie, Boll, Frattin, Skille - I mean, even a guy like Letestu (who I like) was basically given to us for nothing because he couldn't was nothing but a healthy scratch in Pitt.

Calvert on a good team is a 3rd liner, and RJ Umberger was a healthy scratch on our team this year. Can you imagine where he'd fit on a talented roster like the Blackhawks? Certainly not in the top 9.

Richie's best scorer (Gaborik) was hurt all year and then traded, the top 6 forward management gave him (Horton) was hurt most of the year and useless and forced into the lineup when healthy.

Richie basically made the playoffs and gave the Pens a tough series having only Jack, Johansen, Anisimov, Dubie, Atkinson and Foligno as solid NHL caliber players. Well, Murray too but of course he was hurt. Really, who else can you call claim to be "talented" on the roster? Depth players are useful and all, but look at the Avs, Wild, Sharks, Bruins, Kings, Rangers, Blackhawks...those are teams with "talent on the bench."

He was forced to use Jack Skille on the top line because the front office has given him so few actual NHL skill players to work with and the turnover machines that are Wiz and Tyutin on the back end.

Richie should be a Jack Adams candidate for sure.
 
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Viqsi

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Random fun fact that I was reminded of from this thread:

Scott Cullen now qualifies, to me, as a "fancystats fetishist". In his article about the end of the series, based on this table, he suggested that Jack Johnson was one of our more problematic players while singing the praises of James Wisniewski. No, really.

I'm beginning to think that we should just make a rule that those stats are not allowed to be used for evaluating anything at any time increment smaller than "whole season".
 

The Press Express

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I think you guys are under grading Skille, He took alot of great shots on net but nothing fell, he played hard, Comeau and Wiz are Fs, all Blake did was take stupid penalties which lost us games, Wiz turned the puck over every time he touched it
 

cbjgirl

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Random fun fact that I was reminded of from this thread:

Scott Cullen now qualifies, to me, as a "fancystats fetishist". In his article about the end of the series, based on this table, he suggested that Jack Johnson was one of our more problematic players while singing the praises of James Wisniewski. No, really.

I'm beginning to think that we should just make a rule that those stats are not allowed to be used for evaluating anything at any time increment smaller than "whole season".

Not knowing too much about Corsi...

Does the CF% value take into account the fact that you are off the ice because you took a bone headed penalty and something bad happened to your team because of it? (just asking since Wiz and Comeau had the 2 best CF%).

Edit: Looking closer - this is 5 on 5 not PK or PP.
 

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