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quoipourquoi said:
Oh, I thought when you said favorite, you meant a universal favorite. No issue with anyone seeing Ellis or really any of the Nashville defensemen there.
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Theokritos said:
Totally fair, but you said you're "surprised to see he has fallen out of favor". Which implies others shared your high opinion on Ellis earlier on but doesn't share it anymore now.
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Yeah...I guess I don't read a lot about what people write either...:laugh:

Poor phrasing on my part, apologies.
 
Last year's article said there was a rotating panel of 18...I have to think that got reduced to 11 considering Crosby and Malkin's totals (and especially with Crosby having zero 3rd place votes)



EDIT: And now that I actually read the article is says there were 15 voters



EDIT 2: I really hope making the votes public becomes a regular thing...is there a reason not to?
 
TheDevilMadeMe said:
If we are comparing forwards -

If Center A outscored Center B by a good margin through 3 rounds AND Center A made the finals, while Center B was eliminated after 3 rounds, nobody would think Center B had a better playoffs, even if Center A laid an egg in the finals.

But for some reason, it's the reverse for goaltenders.

I've long been an advocate for treating goaltenders more like forwards, so to the extent that shot-based metrics for goalies are to be used, I prefer counting stats like GVT or GAR to averaging stats like save %.

And I assume Rinne easily led the playoffs in GVT and GAR.
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I thought of this same comparison myself, which is why I mentioned such an extreme example in my previous post (a skater taking several bad penalties every game). The player that makes it to the Final can't get a 100% free pass, but a bad performance in the Final has to carry a lot less weight.

Maybe we should just start with this: How far ahead of Anderson was Rinne after Round 3?
 
TheDevilMadeMe said:
If we are comparing forwards -

If Center A outscored Center B by a good margin through 3 rounds AND Center A made the finals, while Center B was eliminated after 3 rounds, nobody would think Center B had a better playoffs, even if Center A laid an egg in the finals.

But for some reason, it's the reverse for goaltenders.

I've long been an advocate for treating goaltenders more like forwards, so to the extent that shot-based metrics for goalies are to be used, I prefer counting stats like GVT or GAR to averaging stats like save %.

And I assume Rinne easily led the playoffs in GVT and GAR.
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a skater can't lose a game by not scoring or playing like human garbage, not crosby or malkin, not even erik karlsson. a goalie can though. so maybe it's only fair that he's the only guy on the ice that can end up lower than when he started?
 
vadim sharifijanov said:
a skater can't lose a game by not scoring or playing like human garbage, not crosby or malkin, not even erik karlsson. a goalie can though. so maybe it's only fair that he's the only guy on the ice that can end up lower than when he started?
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Unless he or she stops everything, a goaltender always ends up lower than when they started. There's no cap to what the best skaters can contribute, but the best goaltending performance is merely holding the line closest to zero. We talked about it a bit in the playoff project, but it's that difference in measurement that allows a greater variety of goaltenders to look like they're having one of the best playoffs ever - which makes it arguably more impressive to be a goaltender who repeatedly over-delivers.

Adding more rounds is like letting it ride when you have a hot hand, which is why many of the top Olympic goaltenders or Cup-winning two-round era goaltenders look like statistical Gods while many of the four-round goaltenders have one or two terrible games sprinkled in that make them look more mortal statistically.
 
Also, GAR and GVT do allow negative value games if the goalie is bad enough.

It's not like Rinne was terrible through the whole finals though. Basically, 3 terrible and 3 outstanding games.
 
Here's where I'm at boys...

F: Evgeny Kuznetsov
F: Alexander Ovechkin
F: William Karlsson
D: John Carlson
D: Colin Miller
G: Braden Holtby

HM: Lars Eller (F), Shea Theodore (D) and Marc-Andre Fleury (G)
 
My running Smythe tabulation as well...

Final:
1. Braden Holtby
2. Evgeni Kuznetsov
3. Marc-Andre Fleury
4. Alexander Ovechkin
5. William Karlsson

HM: Lars Eller, Jonathan Marchessault, John Carlson, Colin Miller, T.J. Oshie

Games through June 5:
1. Braden Holtby
2. Marc-Andre Fleury
3. Evgeni Kuznetsov
4. William Karlsson
5. Alexander Ovechkin

HM: Jonathan Marchessault, Lars Eller, Colin Miller, T.J. Oshie, Nate Schmidt

Games through May 31:
1. Marc-Andre Fleury
2. Braden Holtby
3. Evgeni Kuznetsov
4. William Karlsson
5. Jonathan Marchessault

HM: Alexander Ovechkin, Mark Scheifele, Nate Schmidt, Shea Theodore, Lars Eller

Games through May 24:
1. Marc-Andre Fleury
2. Braden Holtby
3. Mark Scheifele
4. William Karlsson
5. Evgeni Kuznetsov

HM: Alexander Ovechkin, Jonathan Marchessault, Brayden Point, Dustin Byfuglien, Nate Schmidt

Games through May 18:
1. Marc-Andre Fleury
2. Mark Scheifele
3. Braden Holtby
4. Alexander Ovechkin
5. Dustin Byfuglien

HM: Evgeni Kuznetsov, William Karlsson, Brayden Point, Paul Stastny, Jonathan Marchessault

Games through May 13:
1. Marc-Andre Fleury
2. Mark Scheifele
3. Braden Holtby
4. Alexander Ovechkin
5. Dustin Byfuglien

HM: Paul Stastny, William Karlsson, Brayden Point, Sidney Crosby, John Carlson, Evgeni Kuznetsov


Games thru May 10:
1. Marc-Andre Fleury
2. Mark Scheifele
3. Braden Holtby
4. Sidney Crosby
5. Dustin Byfuglien

HM: Alexander Ovechkin, Paul Stastny, Brayden Point, William Karlsson, Jake Guentzel


Games thru May 6:
1. Marc-Andre Fleury
2. Mark Schiefele
3. Sidney Crosby
4. Braden Holtby
5. Alexander Ovechkin

HM: Dustin Byfuglien. Brayden Point, Jake Guentzel, Patrice Bergeron, Jake DeBrusk, William Karlsson
Games thru May 1:

1. Marc-Andre Fleury
2. Sidney Crosby
3. Mark Schiefele
4. Braden Holtby
5. Jake DeBrusk

HM: Dustin Byfuglien, Patrice Bergeron, Alexander Ovechkin, Austin Watson, Jake Guentzel, David Pastrnak
 
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-Ovechkin and Kuznetsov for sure.

-Does Mark Scheifele deserve any consideration at all?

-I think you probably have to go Holtby in net, but I could still hear an argument for Fleury. Does a couple rough games in the Final where the defense in front of him was also bad undo three rounds of Smythe-level play? Fair or not, it probably does this case.

-I like Orlov and Carlson on defense.

-Reilly Smith was the one prominent Vegas player that didn't go missing in the Final, I think he'd be my third forward.
 
- Schiefele is the best non-finalist pretty easily. He had a great performance. Probably a 2nd team all-star.
- Yeah, it's unfortunate. Fleury was hung out to dry in the series. Fleury's play was even a little beyond Smythe-level, it was looking like a historic run. But Holtby was great throughout.
- Orlov was a mess defensively for me, just bad. He's not in the conversation for me.
- Smith had a strong Final, but ultimately he falls pretty well short for me.
 
so glad this was bumped. my favourite post-cup thread, far more enjoyable than CS bickering (of which i am guilty of course), and endless "where does he rank all-time now" bickering.

ovechkin - kuz - smith
carlson - sbisa
holtby

notes

1. can't do guentzel if he doesn't make it out of the second round

2. if i were to do three forwards, then the third guy is scheifele

3. if i were to do one center, two wingers, the second winger might be ondrej palat

4. just kidding. but seriously, i can't choose between buff or hedman for that second D spot because their third rounds both ended so disappointingly. maybe theodore deserves it?
 
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Mike Farkas said:
Here's where I'm at boys...

F: Evgeny Kuznetsov
F: Alexander Ovechkin
F: William Karlsson
D: John Carlson
D: Colin Miller
G: Braden Holtby

HM: Lars Eller (F), Shea Theodore (D) and Marc-Andre Fleury (G)
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What is it that puts Karlsson over guys like Marchessault or Smith? Just more responsibilities as a center? I don't know him that well, is he a big impact defensively?
 
Mike Farkas said:
- Schiefele is the best non-finalist pretty easily. He had a great performance. Probably a 2nd team all-star.
- Yeah, it's unfortunate. Fleury was hung out to dry in the series. Fleury's play was even a little beyond Smythe-level, it was looking like a historic run. But Holtby was great throughout.
- Orlov was a mess defensively for me, just bad. He's not in the conversation for me.
- Smith had a strong Final, but ultimately he falls pretty well short for me.
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Interesting how differently we saw Orlov. I saw a steady guy who quietly but consistently turned play back in the right direction when Washington found themselves under pressure. Michal Kempny actually did this effectively as well (how bad does Joel Quenneville look?), with softer minutes mind you. I felt Niskanen was the mistake-prone weak link of the defense for long stretches.
 
Hawkey Town 18 said:
What is it that puts Karlsson over guys like Marchessault or Smith? Just more responsibilities as a center? I don't know him that well, is he a big impact defensively?
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Karlsson was playing the best defensively of the line, yeah. Nod to Smith who was actually bringing some good NZ defense himself, but Karlsson was all about that 200 foot life and I think he was doing it well.

Some muppet here, I forget who, but I think he had the initials M.F., suggested that the Kings will beat Vegas in 5 because of the Kings ability to dominate the center of the ice with Kopitar and Carter...really versatile guys who can play it any way you want...that's too tough of a match to overcome for them...

...maybe that MFer should shut his yap...Karlsson acquitted himself just fine for the entire playoff...
 
Kyle McMahon said:
Interesting how differently we saw Orlov. I saw a steady guy who quietly but consistently turned play back in the right direction when Washington found themselves under pressure. Michal Kempny actually did this effectively as well (how bad does Joel Quenneville look?), with softer minutes mind you. I felt Niskanen was the mistake-prone weak link of the defense for long stretches.
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I think in the Final, Orlov was more under control. In the Eastern bloc(k) of the schedule I thought his defense and puck management were very messy. Now, at least he could bring the noise when he did pull off what he was doing, so he made some flashy good plays...but I thought he was very untidy in rounds 1 thru 3. A lot more Nikita Nesterov than Sergei Zubov, if you will...

He did button it up in the Final though...and I thought Niskanen had a rough playoff, yeah...probably the Caps worst d-man overall...
 
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First Team:
G: Rask (Bos)
D: Pietrangelo (StL)
D: Krug (Bos)
LW: Schwartz (StL)
C: O'Reilly (StL) [though Couture would be a close call here even still]
RW: Tarasenko (StL)

Players that deserve an honorable mention besides Juicy...Parayko (StL), Marchand (Bos), Coyle (Bos), Perron (StL)
 
Statistical leaders include:
  • MARCHAND is the playoff scoring leader (more goals is the tiebreaker).
  • PIETRANGELO leads all Stanley Cup Finals skaters in ice time.
  • PARAYKO has played the most minutes at even strength.
  • CHARA leads all in plus-minus.
  • BERGERON was the best at face offs (2nd in total wins to ROR but waaay better percentage).
  • BARBASHEV & SCHENN led in NHL playoff hits, waaay more than the Bruins top bodychecker in Chara).
  • TARASENKO led all in shots.
  • BURNS is tied for playoff lead in blocked shots (3rd in blueline scoring) despite not making the 7-game Finals.
 
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