Players with bad timing and missed getting a cup with their team

[kingsholygrail]

Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds, and Jack Johnson.

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

Patrick Maroon. What was the question again?

 

[Gjman2019]

Paul Reinhart.......Nine years with the Flames Organization and they win right after he leaves for Vancouver.....

Oddly enough the Flames and Canucks faced eacher in the first round that year and Reinhart scored in OT for the Canucks in game 1.........Game 7 of that series might of been the most exciting game i've ever watched..............

 

[JaegerDice]

As a Blackhawks fan, I always felt genuinely bad for Havlat.

In the summer of 09, the Blackhawks basically let him walk to make room for Hossa. And everybody kind of knew at the time, he was getting dumped right before the Blackhawks made a legit push for the cup.

Yes, I love Marian Hossa and understood at the time that Hossa was a massive upgrade on Havlat... but I always wished there was a way to have both and get Havlat a cup with the Blackhawks.

He played his ass off for our team, he was great for us in the transition years as the Kane/Toews era began, I would have liked to see him hoist the cup in a Blackhawks sweater.

 

[Il Stugotz]

Hossa was traded to Pittsburgh and lost in the Final to Detroit. Then signed a 1 year in Detroit and lost in the Final to Pittsburgh lol.

He got his satisfaction later, but still a funny story.

In Game 6 of the 2010 Final the Flyers’ tying goal went in off of Hossa and until the game winner that’s the most I’ve believed in curses

 

[GMR]

Norm Ullman is a sad case.

Joins the Red Wings in 1956, one year after they completed their 4 Cups in 6 years. Plays in Detroit through 1967 and joins the Maple Leafs one season after their final Cup run of the 1960s.

 

[JaegerDice]

Norm Ullman is a sad case.

Joins the Red Wings in 1956, one year after they completed their 4 Cups in 6 years. Plays in Detroit through 1967 and joins the Maple Leafs one season after their final Cup run of the 1960s.

How is it even possible you are old enough to remember this?

 

[LT]

In the 2019 offseason, Joe Pavelski had two finalists to sign him: Dallas and Tampa Bay. He chose Dallas.

Those two teams met in the 2020 Finals, with Tampa winning and then winning the 2021 Cup as well.

 

[Avs2022]

2001?

Yup, meant 2001. Typo.

 

[Hoek]

Vaclav Prospal. Played for the Lightning in 2003 when they first won the division and made the playoffs, then went to Anaheim for a year and misses out on them winning the cup in 2004. Then he comes back to the Lightning the next three seasons and they don't make it past the first round. Cory Stillman was his replacement and left for Carolina after getting his cup in one year of service, lol.

 

[DickSmehlik]

Scotty Bowman tried real hard to get Mike Ramsey a Cup towards the end of his career.

After coaching him for several seasons in Buffalo, he traded for him during the '92-93' season and despite the Pens winning the Cup the 2 previous seasons, they did not win another Cup while Ramsey was there.

He then traded him for when he joined the Wings in '94 and while he would get close with the Red Wings, including a Cup final in 1995, he never won a Cup, retiring during the middle of the '96-'97 season.

The Wings would go on and win the Cup later that season, and the following season.

 

[Hasbro]

Tough to use guys like Gartner for this. If a guy gets traded because the team doesn't think they can win the Cup with him, or that the guy they get in return will help them more, did he miss on the Cup? Especially for a Gartner, who was dealt 70 games into the season. Unless the player asks out, that's an issue with any trade though.

The fun one would be Scott Stevens. Wanted to stay in St.Louis, didn't want to go to NJ, but forced to. In July 1994, days after leading the Devils to the 2nd best record and the league and an all-time great conference final series against the Rangers, still signed an offer sheet to go back to St.Louis, only to be matched by the Devils. Then, in 94-95, of course the Devils win the Cup, followed by 2 more. He won multiple Cups in spite of himself. Maybe he still wins some in St.Louis, but we'll never know.

If there were a Stanley Cup for pornstaches...

 

[Stealth JD]

Patrik Berglund was drafted by STL in ‘06, played well for 10 seasons than was shipped to Buffalo for ROR who helped the Bkues win the Cup in his first season with STL…I remember being disappointed for Bergy as he’s a guy who I wanted to see get to lift the Cup.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Alexander Frolov should be a two time Stanley Cup Champion.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Connor McDavid missed the Oilers window by only 35 years.

 

[AvroArrow]

Jonathan Huberdeau

They never would've won with him, he didn't miss the window, he was one of the biggest reasons they couldn't win and Tkachuk was instrumental to the win. Doesn't really apply here IMO.

Maybe Blake Wheeler applies here ?

 

[NYRfan85]

The best MLB equivalent of this is Don Mattingly as a player. Played his entire career with the Yankees from 1982-1995. The Yankees won the World Series in 1981 and 1996.

A lot of players that were traded away from or left the Rangers leading up to 1994 are good examples - Vanbiesbrouck, Gartner, Amonte, Domi to name a few.

 

[landy]

Steve Yzerman Lightning

 

[landy]

The opposite. Everyone who the Sabres trade except Mitts.

 

[SirPaste]

Hossa was traded to Pittsburgh and lost in the Final to Detroit. Then signed a 1 year in Detroit and lost in the Final to Pittsburgh lol.

He got his satisfaction later, but still a funny story.

This was the first thing that popped in my head

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

They never would've won with him, he didn't miss the window, he was one of the biggest reasons they couldn't win and Tkachuk was instrumental to the win. Doesn't really apply here IMO.

Maybe Blake Wheeler applies here ?

I hate this narrative. This is incorrect. One of the better players on the team was not a reason why they didn't win. A player who lead the team in scoring in a playoff run (Barkov hadn't done that when Huberdeau was there) was not a reason why they couldn't get over the hump.
The organization was not a Stanley Cup winning organization when he was there. Huberdeau himself was not worse than every player on the team at the time of them winning the cup. There are a whole of lot reasons why they didn't win the cup when Huberdeau was here, and Huberdeau wasn't one of them.
As I've said before, a big reason why they stepped up to a higher level was the coaching change. They are not winning that cup with Brunette as the coach. Even with Tkachuk in the lineup.

 

[phillyb]

Don Mattingly.
Wrong sport, I know.

 

[AvroArrow]

I hate this narrative. This is incorrect. One of the better players on the team was not a reason why they didn't win. A player who lead the team in scoring in a playoff run (Barkov hadn't done that when Huberdeau was there) was not a reason why they couldn't get over the hump.
The organization was not a Stanley Cup winning organization when he was there. Huberdeau himself was not worse than every player on the team at the time of them winning the cup. There are a whole of lot reasons why they didn't win the cup when Huberdeau was here, and Huberdeau wasn't one of them.
As I've said before, a big reason why they stepped up to a higher level was the coaching change. They are not winning that cup with Brunette as the coach. Even with Tkachuk in the lineup.

Genuine question, you think the Panthers win the cup if you guys had Huberdeau instead of Tkachuk ? I don't, I don't think you even make the cup final.

I have never been impressed by Huberdeau even when he was racking up points in Florida, he would do nothing all game and you check the stat sheet and he somehow has 2 points.

Maurice definitely gets a lot of credit, but it was a game 7, one goal win for the cup. I don't think that happens if you switch Tkachuk for Huberdeau.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

Genuine question, you think the Panthers win the cup if you guys had Huberdeau instead of Tkachuk ? I don't, I don't think you even make the cup final.

I have never been impressed by Huberdeau even when he was racking up points in Florida, he would do nothing all game and you check the stat sheet and he somehow has 2 points.

Maurice definitely gets a lot of credit, but it was a game 7, one goal win for the cup. I don't think that happens if you switch Tkachuk for Huberdeau.

Yes, yes I do. The team structure and attention to detail changes with the coach. This team went through several different coaches and several different versions of itself with Huberdeau in the lineup. With various degrees of success.
Like for instance, they could have won the cup years ago if Gallant had been left to do his job without ownership interference. And this current team would not have won the cup if ownership did not stop meddling. They had another chance at making a run at a cup if the Quenneville situation hadn't happened.

 

[JKG33]

Ryan Callahan is my contribution to this thread.

Forced into retirement after the 2018-19 season, then the Bolts went on to win back to back cups without him.

I feel like with a lot of these, would the team have still won with the player? Would Tampa have won with Callahan (a 3rd liner at that point in his career) making nearly $6m on the cap?

I don't think Panthers win the Cup if they don't make that trade.

This one too.

Ryan Smyth got cap dumped back to Edmonton and the Kings won the Cup that year.

They definitely dont win with his albatross. Would've meant no Richards or Carter