GWT: PL Matchweek 3

[bleedblue1223]

I don’t think either side would be upset with a point. With a half up a man, you can make an argument that Liverpool should’ve got three, but it’s still early on.

If Chelsea had the situation that Liverpool had, I'd be upset. When standings are tight at the end of the season, it's situations like this that you have to take advantage of. Sure any top club would be fine with drawing another top club, but this is the opportunity to gain an advantage on a top club.

 

[Burner Account]

Did Salah touch the ball in Chelsea’s penalty area today?

 

[Machinehead]

I felt Chelsea were more dangerous even down a man. Granted, the countering team passes the eye test, but we need to be better.

 

[koyvoo]

First game I watched since the Euro. Entertaining. Chelsea defended better with 10 men than 11. Liverpool looked to me like they have for much of the past 18 months. The killer instinct and urgency they had before they won trophies seems to be lacking for the most part. I don’t think this group of players wins a major trophy together again unless something inspires them again.

 

[Burner Account]

I’m 100% sure Liverpool is unhappy in the room right now with only a point.


Chelsea probably feel screwed out of the extra 2….


Neither is happy.

I agree on Liverpool but I think Chelsea will be too busy feeling over the moon to feel screwed. That was galvanizing and season defining stuff.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I agree on Liverpool but I think Chelsea will be too busy feeling over the moon to feel screwed. That was galvanizing and season defining stuff.

Oh I’d be happy in that room no doubt after that defensive gem, but afterwards, I’d be thinking hard about those “stolen” points. Long season….anything to motivate!

 

[Machinehead]

First game I watched since the Euro. Entertaining. Chelsea defended better with 10 men than 11. Liverpool looked to me like they have for much of the past 18 months. The killer instinct and urgency they had before they won trophies seems to be lacking for the most part. I don’t think this group of players wins a major trophy together again unless something inspires them again.

We still don't have a plan other than pressing and you can't press with the ball. The whole sport adapted and we really haven't.

Also, we're not drinking our apple juice anymore.

 

[Savant]

It’s not awesome but the sky isn’t falling either.

 

[bleedblue1223]

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

First half was maybe the best 45 I've seen in a while

 

[Blender]

Tuchel's main criticism is with the 1 second still photo review by Taylor. Said he's had other officials explain to him that on a deflection that would not be handball, but it could go either way he was just not happy with how the decision was made.

 

[ItsFineImFine]

Liverpool about to learn you can't just unfortunately 'spend smart' if you wanna be on top of the Prem for more than an year or two because when your top players are at their best and they get an year or two older and decline by even 10% like Mane and Salah have and obviously Firminho, you suddenly don't have "it" anymore.

 

[AB13]

What Liverpool lack is that extra bit of dynamism and elite proficiency in tight spaces to play combos and get in behind players to create chances so they rely on crosses and counter pressing. This is obviously made tougher against a team defending the box in numbers. Liverpool really lack a high end combinational player/creator. Should have signed Sancho or Grealish.

 

[Machinehead]

TAA couldn't complete a pass today and we've seen that movie before.

We have no ability to break down defenses if he isn't on.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Positional flexibility of Mount, Azpilicueta, and Alonso was huge too. Having someone in an attacking trio that can play CM is a big bonus, and this is why you don't go all-in on using wingers as wing-backs in a 3-4-3.

 

[Blender]

Panel said the process needs to change, that they can't have this situation where the ref goes to the monitor and only looks at still photo and changes his mind. Needs to watch it in real time first, followed by slow motion.

 

[hatterson]

Tuchel's main criticism is with the 1 second still photo review by Taylor. Said he's had other officials explain to him that on a deflection that would not be handball, but it could go either way he was just not happy with how the decision was made.

That’s really my biggest complaint as well. He took the briefest possible glance at a freeze frame and changed his mind from the field.

Especially when it’s going to be such a monumental call (pen+red), it seems to make sense to spend 20 seconds to make sure you’re sure.

If he had the VAR official in his ear telling him it’s a clear handball the entire etc. then fine, but why bother going to the monitor on that case.

Taylor going to the monitor and doing what he did have absolutely no indication that the monitor was remotely valuable.

 

[Blender]

That’s really my biggest complaint as well. He took the briefest possible glance at a freeze frame and changed his mind from the field.

Especially when it’s going to be such a monumental call (pen+red), it seems to make sense to spend 20 seconds to make sure you’re sure.

If he had the VAR official in his ear telling him it’s a clear handball the entire etc. then fine, but why bother going to the monitor on that case.

Taylor going to the monitor and doing what he did have absolutely no indication that the monitor was remotely valuable.

In this case I'd say not only was the monitor not helpful, it was detrimental to making a good decision. No official should be making any decisions from a quick glance at a freeze frame like that, it's a horrible process.

 

[Chimaera]

I must say I’m a bit surprised at how many still are torn on the penalty. It looks, even at regular speed, like the shoulder / arm bundle the ball forward. Whether that is the intention of the player might be of some debate, but it stops a goal scoring chance with the player on the goal line who isn’t the keeper.

I can buy that it’s unfortunate, and even maybe some argument. But it’s not rigged or completely unjust.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

I must say I’m a bit surprised at how many still are torn on the penalty. It looks, even at regular speed, like the shoulder / arm bundle the ball forward. Whether that is the intention of the player might be of some debate, but it stops a goal scoring chance with the player on the goal line who isn’t the keeper.

I can buy that it’s unfortunate, and even maybe some argument. But it’s not rigged or completely unjust.

That's literally what's being debated. I think there's consensus on the penalty - the red is the source of anger

 

[Blender]

I must say I’m a bit surprised at how many still are torn on the penalty. It looks, even at regular speed, like the shoulder / arm bundle the ball forward. Whether that is the intention of the player might be of some debate, but it stops a goal scoring chance with the player on the goal line who isn’t the keeper.

I can buy that it’s unfortunate, and even maybe some argument. But it’s not rigged or completely unjust.

Main discussion right now is that the process to make the decision was garbage, and even if you think the call was clear and correct you should be highly concerned with how it was made.

 

[Chimaera]

That's literally what's being debated. I think there's consensus on the penalty - the red is the source of anger

But it’s clear in the rule book. If he moves his arm forward and stops a goal scoring chance, it’s not a debate of result. If you stop a goal scoring chance with a handball, even if you didn’t mean it, it’s a red.

 

[Chimaera]

You do understand that VAR is mostly handled by the video VAR ref. That he even went to take a look is a courtesy. If he’s got his earpiece saying, it’s a handball in the box, go look, and he does, it’s working how it’s intended. We know Taylor looked at a freeze frame, but we don’t know if he’s seen the regular clip (it’s less than a few seconds) or what he might have seen and needs confirmation.

No matter how much one side is crying about it.

 

[hatterson]

One of the rule changes for 21/22 was to give referees more ability to determine if an arm was in an “unnatural position” based on the action the player is taking.

Instead of using that ability to look at the video and determine if the arm was in a natural position or no, Taylor took a millisecond look at a freeze frame that showed the arm very close to the body and the ball in contact with the side at the same time it was in contact with the arm.

It is inexcusable to make a game altering decision on a freeze frame like that, especially when the rules were literally just modified to give the official more power to use their judgement in those type of situations.

 

[Blender]

You do understand that VAR is mostly handled by the video VAR ref. That he even went to take a look is a courtesy. If he’s got his earpiece saying, it’s a handball in the box, go look, and he does, it’s working how it’s intended. We know Taylor looked at a freeze frame, but we don’t know if he’s seen the regular clip (it’s less than a few seconds) or what he might have seen and needs confirmation.

No matter how much one side is crying about it.

Get rid of the monitor than. Either have it and use it properly, or get rid of it. The way that unfolded was a joke and you shouldn't want any decision being made that way.