Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread: Cole's House of Pain

[WheresRamziAbid]

A solid read

Yeah about right.

Overrates Mccann and Zar a bit but otherwise pretty spot on.

 

[chethejet]

If the current Pens ownership is in place in two years, no question Sids buddy would give some thought to playing with Sid. But hard to see how the Av's don't pay up to keep him. Malkin could go either way here. Pens extend believing his play is still really good or they use that money for a UFA or a player in his last year of his contract to play center. I just don't see the Pens tanking with the talent they have. But then again, they could trade for picks and begin the rebuild with a boatload of picks ala the Sens. But that scenario is unlikely unless they sell the franchise and new ownership cuts costs and begins the 5 year Russian plan.

 

[Gurglesons]

"The model doesn’t believe that time is this season. Frankly, it’s not that worried at all and ranks the Penguins as the second-best team in the East Division behind only Boston, and the sixth-best overall."

From Dom L's preview.

“He’s not a great puck-mover. Matheson really isn’t either, mostly because he has a tendency to give it away. His 2019-20 transition numbers are clouded by time spent at forward, but in previous years he only barely had more successful possession exits than failed attempts. It helps explain why his defensive results are generally so poor and Florida usually saw just 46-to-47 percent of the chances with him on the ice. “

That is concerning.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

“He’s not a great puck-mover. Matheson really isn’t either, mostly because he has a tendency to give it away. His 2019-20 transition numbers are clouded by time spent at forward, but in previous years he only barely had more successful possession exits than failed attempts. It helps explain why his defensive results are generally so poor and Florida usually saw just 46-to-47 percent of the chances with him on the ice. “

That is concerning.

Well we've only got him for 6 more seasons.

 

[Peat]

“He’s not a great puck-mover. Matheson really isn’t either, mostly because he has a tendency to give it away. His 2019-20 transition numbers are clouded by time spent at forward, but in previous years he only barely had more successful possession exits than failed attempts. It helps explain why his defensive results are generally so poor and Florida usually saw just 46-to-47 percent of the chances with him on the ice. “

That is concerning.

Yup. Particularly if he's going to be next to Ceci.

Further deets from the article for those without access

Sid & Geno are predicted to continue to f***ing up people's days and are the biggest reason why his model loves us
Rust grades out as a 31-goal, 67-point pace next season next to Malkin and while Dom L isn't sure that reflects Rust's true talent, he is sure it reflects what's likely to happen next to Malkin
Guentzel is predicted to be nearly as destructive as Sid & Geno, which again might not reflect true talent levels, but is what he is next to them
Kapanen - "No Leaf had more [zone] entries than Kapanen last season, but he was only average in making a passing play once he entered the zone" - that will go down well with Sid for sure.
Doesn't love the Jankowski move much
Dumo-Tanger-Petts-Marino - "That quartet ranks fourth in the league"
Letang still elite by his model, although barely (well, technically barely not, but as he points out, that's semantics and driven by a guy who's no longer here)
Marino - "His 55 percent expected goals rate led all regular Penguins defenders thanks to his extremely stingy team-leading 1.88 expected goals against per 60 rate. That’s a mark bested by only four other defensemen last season and translated to actually strong goals against results too. It’s why his projected defensive impact for the upcoming seasons ranks ninth in the league (usage is important to keep in mind here though) and why he’s projected to provide number one defenseman value."
Bottom pairing is a possible issue
And Jarry and DeSmith are question marks

So it basically tells us what we already know. The top six/four should be capable of teabagging most of the league, but will have to do so, and if they do and if the goaltending comes up good, the depth just has to survive. And if the depth can do a bit better, then it starts getting fun.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yup. Particularly if he's going to be next to Ceci.

Further deets from the article for those without access

Sid & Geno are predicted to continue to f***ing up people's days and are the biggest reason why his model loves us
Rust grades out as a 31-goal, 67-point pace next season next to Malkin and while Dom L isn't sure that reflects Rust's true talent, he is sure it reflects what's likely to happen next to Malkin
Guentzel is predicted to be nearly as destructive as Sid & Geno, which again might not reflect true talent levels, but is what he is next to them
Kapanen - "No Leaf had more [zone] entries than Kapanen last season, but he was only average in making a passing play once he entered the zone" - that will go down well with Sid for sure.
Doesn't love the Jankowski move much
Dumo-Tanger-Petts-Marino - "That quartet ranks fourth in the league"
Letang still elite by his model, although barely (well, technically barely not, but as he points out, that's semantics and driven by a guy who's no longer here)
Marino - "His 55 percent expected goals rate led all regular Penguins defenders thanks to his extremely stingy team-leading 1.88 expected goals against per 60 rate. That’s a mark bested by only four other defensemen last season and translated to actually strong goals against results too. It’s why his projected defensive impact for the upcoming seasons ranks ninth in the league (usage is important to keep in mind here though) and why he’s projected to provide number one defenseman value."
Bottom pairing is a possible issue
And Jarry and DeSmith are question marks

So it basically tells us what we already know. The top six/four should be capable of teabagging most of the league, but will have to do so, and if they do and if the goaltending comes up good, the depth just has to survive. And if the depth can do a bit better, then it starts getting fun.

Also McCann rules.

 

[Gurglesons]

Well we've only got him for 6 more seasons.

If he wasn't with Ceci, I think it isn't as big of a concern. And we have to remember all of the Florida defenseman are turnover messes.

 

[Peat]

Also McCann rules.

No more McCann convos plz.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

If he wasn't with Ceci, I think it isn't as big of a concern. And we have to remember all of the Florida defenseman are turnover messes.

Agreed.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Agreed.

Then when Matheson fails with Ceci, Sully will be all like....

 

[Ryder71]

Also McCann rules.

At what?

 

[Ryder71]

No more McCann convos plz.

Why?

 

[Ryder71]

Then when Matheson fails with Ceci, Sully will be all like....

Say, that guy looks familiar.

 

[Jacob]

Couple thoughts on Matheson based only on highlights (and lowlights) and today’s scrimmage:

His skating is good but is it “get yourself out of the mess you made” good? I’m not so sure, but he thinks so and that’s the problem. Couple times today he tried to skate it out but got closed off, and once or twice he tried to hold onto the puck and shield it and reverse it and it didn’t really work. Small stuff in a meaningless scrimmage with a bunch of guys that aren’t familiar with each other so probably no big deal but obviously what he’s been doing the last couple years hasn’t worked and he needs some tweaks.

 

[Ryder71]

Couple thoughts on Matheson based only on highlights (and lowlights) and today’s scrimmage:

His skating is good but is it “get yourself out of the mess you made” good? I’m not so sure, but he thinks so and that’s the problem. Couple times today he tried to skate it out but got closed off, and once or twice he tried to hold onto the puck and shield it and reverse it and it didn’t really work. Small stuff in a meaningless scrimmage with a bunch of guys that aren’t familiar with each other so probably no big deal but obviously what he’s been doing the last couple years hasn’t worked and he needs some tweaks.

His hockey IQ or lack thereof will undoubtedly be a challenge.

 

[SEALBound]

Yup. Particularly if he's going to be next to Ceci.

Further deets from the article for those without access

Sid & Geno are predicted to continue to f***ing up people's days and are the biggest reason why his model loves us
Rust grades out as a 31-goal, 67-point pace next season next to Malkin and while Dom L isn't sure that reflects Rust's true talent, he is sure it reflects what's likely to happen next to Malkin
Guentzel is predicted to be nearly as destructive as Sid & Geno, which again might not reflect true talent levels, but is what he is next to them
Kapanen - "No Leaf had more [zone] entries than Kapanen last season, but he was only average in making a passing play once he entered the zone" - that will go down well with Sid for sure.
Doesn't love the Jankowski move much
Dumo-Tanger-Petts-Marino - "That quartet ranks fourth in the league"
Letang still elite by his model, although barely (well, technically barely not, but as he points out, that's semantics and driven by a guy who's no longer here)
Marino - "His 55 percent expected goals rate led all regular Penguins defenders thanks to his extremely stingy team-leading 1.88 expected goals against per 60 rate. That’s a mark bested by only four other defensemen last season and translated to actually strong goals against results too. It’s why his projected defensive impact for the upcoming seasons ranks ninth in the league (usage is important to keep in mind here though) and why he’s projected to provide number one defenseman value."
Bottom pairing is a possible issue
And Jarry and DeSmith are question marks

So it basically tells us what we already know. The top six/four should be capable of teabagging most of the league, but will have to do so, and if they do and if the goaltending comes up good, the depth just has to survive. And if the depth can do a bit better, then it starts getting fun.

Kapanen also didn't have Crosby and Guentzel on his line. I expect this to improve. Easily. Greatly. Bigly.

 

[Gurglesons]

Couple thoughts on Matheson based only on highlights (and lowlights) and today’s scrimmage:

His skating is good but is it “get yourself out of the mess you made” good? I’m not so sure, but he thinks so and that’s the problem. Couple times today he tried to skate it out but got closed off, and once or twice he tried to hold onto the puck and shield it and reverse it and it didn’t really work. Small stuff in a meaningless scrimmage with a bunch of guys that aren’t familiar with each other so probably no big deal but obviously what he’s been doing the last couple years hasn’t worked and he needs some tweaks.

Yeah. That is what I saw as well.

Obviously just a scrimmage, but gives you pause.

 

[cygnus47]

Couple thoughts on Matheson based only on highlights (and lowlights) and today’s scrimmage:

His skating is good but is it “get yourself out of the mess you made” good? I’m not so sure, but he thinks so and that’s the problem. Couple times today he tried to skate it out but got closed off, and once or twice he tried to hold onto the puck and shield it and reverse it and it didn’t really work. Small stuff in a meaningless scrimmage with a bunch of guys that aren’t familiar with each other so probably no big deal but obviously what he’s been doing the last couple years hasn’t worked and he needs some tweaks.

If he didn't have a history of it yeah, but that's his M.O.

He hasn't shown the ability to make decisions fast enough to keep up with his feet. He needs to be treated how you'd want Tyson Barrie to be treated. He can clearly be an asset in the offensive zone, but he can't be trusted to play D against good players.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Couple thoughts on Matheson based only on highlights (and lowlights) and today’s scrimmage:

His skating is good but is it “get yourself out of the mess you made” good? I’m not so sure, but he thinks so and that’s the problem. Couple times today he tried to skate it out but got closed off, and once or twice he tried to hold onto the puck and shield it and reverse it and it didn’t really work. Small stuff in a meaningless scrimmage with a bunch of guys that aren’t familiar with each other so probably no big deal but obviously what he’s been doing the last couple years hasn’t worked and he needs some tweaks.

Clearly the incredible IQ of Cody Ceci will help him along, mate.

 

[ColePens]

Then when Matheson fails with Ceci, Sully will be all like....

He's so beautiful.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Yeah about right.

Overrates Mccann and Zar a bit but otherwise pretty spot on.

Nah, they're properly rated; the surprise was how little the model thinks of Teddy Blueger.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Nah, they're properly rated; the surprise was how little the model thinks of Teddy Blueger.

i was speaking to the write up where it has them driving the 3rd line.

neither is a play driver. They are both good defensively and McCann has the ability to put up points but they are complimentary pieces.

maybe thats a semantics thing on my side but thats my thoughts

 

[OtherThingsILike]

i was speaking to the write up where it has them driving the 3rd line.

neither is a play driver. They are both good defensively and McCann has the ability to put up points but they are complimentary pieces.

maybe thats a semantics thing on my side but thats my thoughts

Oh, I see. I was thinking about the 'GSVA' grades he gives. He has McCann as 1.0 and Aston-Reese at 0.7, which makes sense, but Blueger is a measly 0.1.

 

[Tom Hanks]

 

[Gurglesons]