Pittsburgh Penguins Prospects Thread
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While agreeing with a fair amount, I think you're overlooking that Rutherford seems pretty loath to trade away good prospects unless he's run out of options. I think he's only traded three so far - Kapanen, Gustavsson, Addison - and those were for big fish. A tight cap and impending expansion draft doesn't make this ideal big fishing weather.
Also, the three guys I named, the latter two were traded at about peak prospect value (can't remember with Kapanen) which is emphatically not Hallander thanks to that broken leg. So Rutherford can't really go after the big fish with him and doesn't seem interested in using prospects for what he can get with current players, free agency, and late picks. Rightly so imo.
From that perspective, as a safe-ish prospect with a high-ish ceiling who has low-ish value, he's probably the safest prospect in the org, maybe along with POJ.
The real guys at risk are Poulin and Legare because, if Rutherford wants a big fish, one of those will have to go barring some explosions. I know the org publicly loves them, but they were pretty high on Addison too publicly. Besides - their developmental windows aren't really any different to Hallander at this point anyway.
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The Caps certainly get a steal with McMichael. The question is when are they going to trade him for Martin Erat?
The guys a lot of us here wanted at the draft (Kaliyev, Hoglander, Brink etc.) all have great years.
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"Puustinen's development curve points upward. He made his league debut in the 2018-19 season and accounted for 13 points in 47 games. The score balance tripled during the second season as 53 games resulted in 39 points.
The worthy 20-year-old is already maintaining a high standard and is aroused in Pittsburgh."
Dessa finländare kan få ett NHL-kontrakt i sommar – Lehtonen, Lammikko och Puljujärvi de tyngsta namnen
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Penguins top prospect list from Yohe. The Athletic got rid of the ability to read articles for free on their app, so I can't give a rundown of the list.
Poulin
Legare
POJ
O'Connor
Hallander
Bjorkqvist
Bellerive
Puustinen
Drozg
Miletec
Somebody please email this list to every NCAA UFA dman of note.
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That's fairly similar to what I would have made my list. I'm a little surprised Legare is above POJ and O'Connor looks interesting if he's on par with Hallander. Bellerive is also an interesting name to keep an eye on, not because he has this massive upside but because I think he may be in a similar position as Lafferty. Was this just Yohe's opinion or did he get insight from the team as well?
He says from talks with Rutherford and other personnel, and what he's seen at development camps. Maybe a bit of video. Particularly clear Bjorkqvist is where he is because the org loves him. Ditto, to an extent, Legare (who did also look really near to NHL ready last dev camp).
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Yohe states that he has never seen O’Connor play. He also foresees POJ replacing JJ eventually.
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I think his comments were more the organization hopes POJ replaces JJ eventually.
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Anyone know where I can find "advanced" college hockey stats? I found the website while reading a Jack Dugan article but can't seem to find it again. Drew O'Connor was high on one of the stats the site had and I was going to look at UFA College Defense. From what I recall, Maniscalco was right in the middle of the fancy stats.
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Reading it back, gotta say, real excited to see what O'Connor ends up as. He ticks so many boxes.
Yeah, that's my reading. And given POJ is expected to make his debut next season, I think it looks like this is JJ's last season. Probably also spells the end of Riikola too.
Yeah. Puustinen's the only guy who's really small on it; Bellerive is short but strong, POJ and Drozg lanky but with height and reach... part of it is the smaller prospects not playing out or getting traded, but it's definitely a chonky lot.
Yeah, that's my reading. And given POJ is expected to make his debut next season, I think it looks like this is JJ's last season. Probably also spells the end of Riikola too.
Yeah. Puustinen's the only guy who's really small on it; Bellerive is short but strong, POJ and Drozg lanky but with height and reach... part of it is the smaller prospects not playing out or getting traded, but it's definitely a chonky lot.
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Yeah. Size, hockey IQ, goal scoring, skating...the scouting report sounds pretty damn good.
Between O'Connor, Poulin, Hallander, and Legare, we've got a good shot at a couple developing into solid complementary wingers.
Let's hope.
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basically my logic is that his staying in Sweden will delay his expected NHL arrival time by a year and therefore make Rutherford more open to moving him in a trade.
Obviously things don’t always work so linearly, but I believed a reason they took him was at the time he seemed on a path to be in NA pro by at least 20-21, if not earlier.
But I also think @Peat made good counterarguments.
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Exclusive: Coach Raves About Joseph, ‘Could Play (in the NHL) Next Year’
Snippet from an interview with Vellucci about PO Joseph. Looks like he's on the right path.
Kingerski says he's a speed demon and projects to be a better offensive LD than Dumoulin and Pettersson...both of which seem a tad optimistic. Scouting reports say he's a good skater but is he that exceptional?
Snippet from an interview with Vellucci about PO Joseph. Looks like he's on the right path.
Kingerski says he's a speed demon and projects to be a better offensive LD than Dumoulin and Pettersson...both of which seem a tad optimistic. Scouting reports say he's a good skater but is he that exceptional?
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I do know he has good mechanics(his stride). Get him stronger and it can help him alot. I dunno about speed demon tho...
He does have offensive instincts. Can get his shot on goal, joins the rush.
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Everything I've heard makes me think he's in the Dumoulin/Pettersson mold, in the sense that he's a tall, mobile-for-his-size defensive defenseman who can put up 20-30 points a year if things break right.
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Thats the hope. This team just really needs another Dumo to breakthrough here. 2 potentials atm in MP and PO-J.
Hopefully both break through.
I like PO alot and think he'll be a good NHL'er, be it top 4 or bottom 4.
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Empoleon8771
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I never understood why we've never heard more hype with POJ. If he was a Penguins 1st rounder in 2017, people would be penciling him into the top-4 as a Pettersson replacement in the near future and treating him like another Maatta/Morrow prospect. Instead, it seems like he was overshadowed in the Kessel deal and never got the hype he should have.
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If POJ is a great top 4 for us, that would be a great return for a declined Kessel.
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