Proposal: Pittsburgh-Montreal

[pth2]

Malloux doesn't move the needle in terms of trade bait.

Neither does Rakell for a team a ways away from contending.

 

[Djp]

Neither does Rakell for a team a ways away from contending.

My comment had nothing to fo with Rajell/OP proposal.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Malloux doesn't move the needle in terms of trade bait.

*in your opinion

 

[mydnyte]

as a Leafs fan, i think its horrible for the Habs... but, Habs fans seem okay with it, so, who am I to judge.

 

[HuGo Sham]

as a Leafs fan, i think its horrible for the Habs... but, Habs fans seem okay with it, so, who am I to judge.

I'm a habs fan and I don't make this deal either

 

[chethejet]

Habs have nice younger talent but really, just haven't been a contender in decades. Yes the covid year was successful but how long did that last when the league returned to normal. Just had many picks and rebuild yet Habs are not close to a real cup contender. The good news is the Bruins, Leafs and Tampa are not getting better either. Rakell is going nowhere unless a deal just blows Dubas away. He is under zero pressure to move him. Certainly for a RW Laine who is a one trick pony when healthy and a prospect who doesn't really better the Pens.

 

[Anardil]

Beck, Roy, Florian Xhakej, Kapanen, Farrell.... Hage as a winger if a 2C is acquired otherwise, Heinemann might be a top 6 option if given a chance. None are sure fire prospects, but all could be top 6 options, so blocking their path has to be taken into account.

Agree to disagree. All the names you listed up to before Hage have at best 3rd line potential, IMHO.

 

[samsagat]

Laine doesn't have negative value, Habs were paid a 2nd to take his two years contract last year and he had an ok season.

Now, with the salary cap going up +/- 10 mil and a summer market that will be crazy because of it, the price for salary dump and the definition of what makes a player a salary dump will change.

In the covid flat cap era, NHL GM's had to discipline themselves and were naturally more risk averse.

Players past a certain age and presenting some signs of problems were like radioactive wastes.

Since GM's had to be frugal, a market and a way of thinking were implanted in the NHL due to the context, for salary dumps.

But now, with the salary cap on a rapid rise and a NHL depleted in talent because of the expansions, things might change.

Players like Laine might become more attractive.

Plus Laine's contract has just 1 year remaining.

So no, Laine is no more a cap dump, he might have zero value but it would surprise me if habs had to pay to get rid of him

 

[Anardil]

Mailloux's biggest obstacle is Hutson, who fills a big part of the offensive D requirement. Without Hutson, Mailloux could hope to be sheltered and given prime offensive icetime, but that isn't going to happen.

Mailloux's biggest obstacle is between his ears. He will need to cut down on the Brisebois level brain cramps that he routinely makes before we can pencil him in on the Habs d-corps.

 

[Banana duck]

Montreal traded for him and made the playoffs when not a single person expected them to make it

Yeah he was fine in Columbus the first couple of years. He usually waits a little bit until he quits on the team, forces his way out and blames everyone else for it not working.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Laine doesn't have negative value, Habs were paid a 2nd to take his two years contract last year and he had an ok season.

No he didn't, he was a pure PP specialist who was horrendous at 5v5. He is absolutely a negative value player.

15 of his 20 goals and 19 of his 33 points were on the powerplay.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Yeah he was fine in Columbus the first couple of years. He usually waits a little bit until he quits on the team, forces his way out and blames everyone else for it not working.

lol fortunately his contact is only for one more year

 

[Wayfarer13]

Habs have nice younger talent but really, just haven't been a contender in decades. Yes the covid year was successful but how long did that last when the league returned to normal. Just had many picks and rebuild yet Habs are not close to a real cup contender. The good news is the Bruins, Leafs and Tampa are not getting better either. Rakell is going nowhere unless a deal just blows Dubas away. He is under zero pressure to move him. Certainly for a RW Laine who is a one trick pony when healthy and a prospect who doesn't really better the Pens.

Seem to forget that the team that made the finals left everything thing they had on the ice and the next year extremely beaten up. They lost what? 800 man games due to injury and Covid to which at its worst the game in Florida they had 1 healthy contract in the minors available. They called up Cam Hillis from the ECHL for that game to fill out the roster. So they cleaned house making good drafts and trades.They actually developed what they had in the pipeline for the first time in years. They're not done yet and are based on the naysayers on here will ahead of where they were expected to be at this point

 

[samsagat]

No he didn't, he was a pure PP specialist who was horrendous at 5v5. He is absolutely a negative value player.

15 of his 20 goals and 19 of his 33 points were on the powerplay.

Oh yeah?

And what would be the price according to you?

Habs received a 2nd for two years of his actual contract, now with a one year contract remaining, the value for dumping him should be way lower than it was, if ever there's a price to pay.

And with most of teams having cap space, the value for a cap dump will logically plummet, it's just a matter of offer and demand.

Plus, the reading of his play you're making is exaggerated, you're dramatizing...

Yes of course he was a pp specialist, but he was dominant when on his hot streak in this domain. Scoring 20 goals in 52 games.

And he was coming back from a serious knee injury that never got surgery.

Anyway, if a gm expect Hughes to pay him to take Laine, he'll just keep him for the remaining year.

Habs have plenty of cap space, they need the goals more than the cap space.
They need the future assets more than the cap space too.

Your point is irrelevant and anachronistic.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Oh yeah?

And what would be the price according to you?

Habs received a 2nd for two years of his actual contract, now with a one year contract remaining, the value for dumping him should be way lower than it was, if ever there's a price to pay.

And with most of teams having cap space, the value for a cap dump will logically plummet, it's just a matter of offer and demand.

Plus, the reading of his play you're making is exaggerated, you're dramatizing...

Yes of course he was a pp specialist, but he was dominant when on his hot streak in this domain. Scoring 20 goals in 52 games.

And he was coming back from a serious knee injury that never got surgery.

Anyway, if a gm expect Hughes to pay him to take Laine, he'll just keep him for the remaining year.

Habs have plenty of cap space, they need the goals more than the cap space.
They need the future assets more than the cap space too.

Your point is irrelevant and anachronistic.

To get out of his deal entirely? Probably similar to what Columbus paid, a 2nd. Laine showed he's a complete liability outside of the powerplay and teams don't consider players making nearly $9 million and only useful on the powerplay as positive value players.

 

[samsagat]

To get out of his deal entirely? Probably similar to what Columbus paid, a 2nd. Laine showed he's a complete liability outside of the powerplay and teams don't consider players making nearly $9 million and only useful on the powerplay as positive value players.

If you say so...

First, your point is not logical since one year of a contract is less expensive to dump than two years.

Plus price's in a market are set by the context.

In NHL case, if every team are stuck against the cap, an environment where free cap space is scarce, naturally the prices are going to go up for dumping.

In an environment where every team has cap space, cap space is plenty and prices for cap dump are naturally going down.

But you stick to your point like you're some Nostradamus or something, without taking into account the context.

Look, furthermore your theory about pp and NHL and all is not up to point.

The most difficult thing to do in this league is to score goals. Might it be on the pp or else.

And a lot of star players in the NHL relies on the pp as their bread and butter.

Anyway, without the 20 goals Laine scored last year, Habs wouldn't make the playoffs. So saying he's useless is not true.

So once again your point is irrelevant...

 

[The Don Hughes]

That's a no from MTL imo.
If we spend assets its for 2C help and/or RD. Not some winger help.

 

[Factorial]

Last year was also his first 30 goal season since 17-18, and the season before he only had 15 goals and 37 points in 70 games. Most teams looking to add him are probably contenders looking to put him on their 2nd line where he won't be playing with a Crosby level centre, so they are probably understandably skeptical that he would repeat last season.

I'm not for this proposed trade, but he was injured last year and was a completely different player this year.

 

[chethejet]

Habs fans just believe Laine is a quality forward., If he was, why did it require they Columbus add a 2nd to take him. He is a one trick pony even when willing to make an effort. He is a not close to Rakell is overall game. I agree Habs needs are greater than a forward. Pens will not trade a 30 goal scorer who can play LW PP and has playmaking ability.

 

[Hins77]

Habs fans just believe Laine is a quality forward., If he was, why did it require they Columbus add a 2nd to take him. He is a one trick pony even when willing to make an effort. He is a not close to Rakell is overall game. I agree Habs needs are greater than a forward. Pens will not trade a 30 goal scorer who can play LW PP and has playmaking ability.

In december, Montreal was 31th in the ranking. At the same moment, Laine came back from a knee injury. He scored many important goal, especially on PP and we started to won vs teams like Tampa, Florida, colorado etc.
Without Laine we don't make playoffs. We needed a player able to produce when the game was tight. Our PP became really efficient the moment he came in. I am not saying he is an all-around player. Im kidding but Laine shot is 99 overall if you play NHL. Lol. Sometime this is the difference between a win and a loss

 

[samsagat]

Habs fans just believe Laine is a quality forward., If he was, why did it require they Columbus add a 2nd to take him. He is a one trick pony even when willing to make an effort. He is a not close to Rakell is overall game. I agree Habs needs are greater than a forward. Pens will not trade a 30 goal scorer who can play LW PP and has playmaking ability.

If you can't make the difference between a quality player and a negative value player, I don't know what to say...

Of course Rakell holds more value than Laine, that's why Mailloux is included in the trade proposal.

Is it enough?

I don't know but he's there to compensate the difference of value between the two players...

 

[chethejet]

Laine is simply a fit for the Habs PP. He is not on the Pens. You need a far different package to get a Rakell.

 

[samsagat]

Laine is simply a fit for the Habs PP. He is not on the Pens. You need a far different package to get a Rakell.

Yep, but the initial proposal was from a Pens fan, not a Habs fan..

Personally, I don't think Rakell is a fit for Habs either.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Laine is simply a fit for the Habs PP. He is not on the Pens. You need a far different package to get a Rakell.

This thread was started by a Pens fan. I don’t think you will see many Habs fans being interested in Rackell. We have so many other holes that he would be a luxury add instead of filling out a need

 

[Kosseca]

Putting aside value, the proposal completely miss the target in terms of addressing MTL objectives. Not only is MTL not actively searching to move Laine (so why pay to move him), but what ever asset use in a trade shouldn't be to get a W, which MTL has more then enough to start the next season.