Proposal: Pitt-Ott

[SEALBound]

I would maybe, MAYBE...consider a Sprong for Hoffman 1:1 maybe with a later pick coming from the Pens.

Hoff is unsigned and with the money that's been floating around, I'm not sure I want to risk getting him and having to pay him $5mil or more. If he signed for a $4mil or less, sure. Be nice to have him here...but there's a lot of risk involved IMHO.

Plus...would he be willing to change his # if he came to Pittsburgh?

 

[OCPenguin]

I could see something around Malkin + 2017 first + Matta + 2018 second

For karlssson and lazar

LOL ... we have a better Dman than Karlsson already. This doesn't help us at all.

 

[OCPenguin]

I would maybe, MAYBE...consider a Sprong for Hoffman 1:1 maybe with a later pick coming from the Pens.

Hoff is unsigned and with the money that's been floating around, I'm not sure I want to risk getting him and having to pay him $5mil or more. If he signed for a $4mil or less, sure. Be nice to have him here...but there's a lot of risk involved IMHO.

Plus...would he be willing to change his # if he came to Pittsburgh?

huh? Hoffman >>> Sprong and its not close. We would have to add to that more that a later pick. People grossly overrate Sprong.

 

[ottawa]

Not gonna lie, if I didn't value my life and Cooke was still in the league (it's about time everyone figured out that the **** was useless), I'd probably A) pay to have him taken out or B) take him out myself by any means necessary.

Letang on Spezza is another one too. Was at that game.

It sucks that I hate the Penguins and Flyers so much but I love my Steelers.

Or C) you don't get so worked up over a sport? If you'd go to those measures, you should seek help.

 

[edguy]

LOL ... we have a better Dman than Karlsson already. This doesn't help us at all.

LOL Karlsson is better, and thats not even debatable..

 

[Dylonus]

I could see something around Malkin + 2017 first + Matta + 2018 second

For karlssson and lazar

Why in God's name would Pittsburgh do that

 

[Icelevel]

On a good team with a system and a playmaker to get him teh puck, he could break 40.

Iirc, he was top 5 in the league the past 2 seasons during 5-on-5 play. He has enormous potential for a team that would use him properly.

And he started his career as a super scorer under the coach Ottawa just brought in. They both sound very excited to start working together again with lots of ideas for success. I'll be shocked if he's not staying.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

LOL ... we have a better Dman than Karlsson already. This doesn't help us at all.

lol....someone just lost all credibility.

 

[BHD]

no Sens fans are just forgetting right now. we can't beat you in the play offs and you guys injure us all the time. i was at the game for this and was pissed:



and your announcers on tv drive me up the wall, i just hate the penguins soo much, not the fans or the people of Pittsburgh, not the pirates or the Steelers, just the penguins.

Why is this being brought up in a trade thread?

 

[Juxtaposer]

LOL ... we have a better Dman than Karlsson already. This doesn't help us at all.

No you don't.

 

[chethejet]

Pens have to move a contract like Kunitz and or MAF which is not going to happen. No one grasps how Kunitz is not moved or at the very least bought out to free up room. But GMJR has little sense or urgency right now. So I would love to have him on Sids wing, but unless things open up, not happening.

 

[2CHAINZ]

LOL ... we have a better Dman than Karlsson already. This doesn't help us at all.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If the sens can't come to an agreement with Hoffman on a new contract, would they be interested in trading him to the Pens? I don't know the Sens needs, so I'm just going to start with Pouliot+Kunitz+1st for Hoffman+bottom pair dman.

Close?

I think its a fair offer. I hope Hoff signs a multi-year deal... 5 x 5-5.5 would be fine. IMO both parties should be able to work with that.

 

[BK201]

Why is this being brought up in a trade thread?

I was asked why I hate you guys and why I don't want garbage Kunitz.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

LOL Karlsson is better, and thats not even debatable..

No you don't.

Please enlighten us all to how Karlsson is better, aside from QBing the PP.

Having roughly a dozen more points a season, if that, doesn't make Karlsson a better all around blueliner than Letang.

 

[Boud]

Please enlighten us all to how Karlsson is better, aside from QBing the PP.

Having roughly a dozen more points a season, if that, doesn't make Karlsson a better all around blueliner than Letang.

Norris votes and Norris trophies would disagree with you.

Points would disagree with you.

Possesion stats would disagree with you.

Impact on team would disagree with you.

Karlsson with Malkin AND Crosby would put up 100 points a season don't kid yourself.

Karlsson CF REL 5 on 5 : 7.1
Letand CF REL 5 on 5: 3.0

womp womp womp.

Please enlighten us all as to why Letang is better, you know, something else than just saying ''he's better all around'' without any statistical evidence whatsoever.

Can't wait to hear about PK time argument, wasting your best player at blocking shots and standing still in front of the net.

PS: Letang has more PP points than Karlsson...... lol

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Norris votes and Norris trophies would disagree with you.

Points would disagree with you.

Possesion stats would disagree with you.

Impact on team would disagree with you.

Karlsson with Malkin AND Crosby would put up 100 points a season don't kid yourself.

Karlsson CF REL 5 on 5 : 7.1
Letand CF REL 5 on 5: 3.0

womp womp womp.

The Norris is all about points and it has become a joke. Letang also has likely lost a couple of Norris trophies due to health.

Advanced stats are still in their infancy and still flawed, despite people spewing them around here as gospel. I've used "advanced stats" ad nauseum to flex my argument any which way I please.

Much like +\- was ballyhooed as some groundbreaking measurement of a players effectiveness decades ago, we will look back on these "advanced stats" and see how flawed they actually are one day.

Letang is the most indispensable player on the Pens, including Crosby and Malkin. So save the impact argument as well.

Perhaps Karlsson would put up 100 with Malkin and Crosby, but that doesn't mean he would be a better all around blueliner than Letang.

Karlsson can't hold a candle to Letang in his own end and Karlsson putting up a dozen extra points a season won't ever close the defensive gap between them.

You want to call Karlsson a better PP QB and more durable, cool. Saying he is a better all around blueliner than Letang is comical though.

 

[edguy]

God Karlssons defensive game is so under rated...

 

[Boud]

The Norris is all about points and it has become a joke. Letang also has likely lost a couple of Norris trophies due to health.

Advanced stats are still in their infancy and still flawed, despite people spewing them around here as gospel. I've used "advanced stats" ad nauseum to flex my argument any which way I please.

Much like +\- was ballyhooed as some groundbreaking measurement of a players effectiveness decades ago, we will look back on these "advanced stats" and see how flawed they actually are one day.

Letang is the most indispensable player on the Pens, including Crosby and Malkin. So save the impact argument as well.

Perhaps Karlsson would put up 100 with Malkin and Crosby, but that doesn't mean he would be a better all around blueliner than Letang.

Karlsson can't hold a candle to Letang in his own end and Karlsson putting up a dozen extra points a season won't ever close the defensive gap between them.

You want to call Karlsson a better PP QB and more durable, cool. Saying he is a better all around blueliner than Letang is comical though.

So, how is Letang better? Again, only bla bla bla. Easy stuff to say without any evidence at all. It's basically the same as saying Karlsson is a better all around defender than Letang, don't ask me anything about it because I don't know why I'm just telling you that and that's how it is.


If every NHL executive agrees that Karlsson (and Doughty) is better than Letang, why should I trust you? Bring proof, not only your thought. Nobody gives a **** about what you think. What matters is the truth. Besides, you don't watch Sens games at all either, and I don't watch Pens games for the most part, but I won't act like I do.

Calling Letang a better defensemen than Karlsson is comical though.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

So, how is Letang better? Again, only bla bla bla. Easy stuff to say without any evidence at all. It's basically the same as saying Karlsson is a better all around defender than Letang, don't ask me anything about it because I don't know why I'm just telling you that and that's how it is.


If every NHL executive agrees that Karlsson (and Doughty) is better than Letang, why should I trust you? Bring proof, not only your thought. Nobody gives a **** about what you think. What matters is the truth. Besides, you don't watch Sens games at all either, and I don't watch Pens games for the most part, but I won't act like I do.

Calling Letang a better defensemen than Karlsson is comical though.

I could hand pick advanced stats to show Rust is a superior player to Crosby. Would that make it true?

Advanced stats also do a very poor job of measuring defensive acumen, that's why you have to actually watch these guys as well as understand systematic play, assignments and positional awareness, not spout off stats.

If you truly understand the game, it isn't difficult to see which of these two is superior in his end.

While Karlsson isn't as bad as many portray him to be, he still has a ways to go be on Letang's level. Maybe when he is Letang's age he might be there, but he certainly isn't right now.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

I could hand pick advanced stats to show Rust is a superior player to Crosby. Would that make it true?

Advanced stats also do a very poor job of measuring defensive acumen, that's why you have to actually watch these guys as well as understand systematic play, assignments and positional awareness, not spout off stats.

If you truly understand the game, it isn't difficult to see which of these two is superior in his end.

While Karlsson isn't as bad as many portray him to be, he still has a ways to go be on Letang's level. Maybe when he is Letang's age he might be there, but he certainly isn't right now.

Cmon man, Karlsson is better and this is coming from a Pens fan, but I would rather have Letang on my team than EK and it is a little biased but I would rather have the player on my team who I am more comfortable with because the difference between EK and Letang isn't that big that I would want to switch dmen, if that makes sense. LA fans wouldn't trade Doughty for any dman, SJ wouldn't trade Burns for any dman Pittsburgh wouldn't trade Letang for any dman, and Ott wouldn't trade EK for any dman. So I guess it is all just based on preference and being biased haha. So all in all, Karlsson is the best dman in league in my opinion, Letang is top 5 and I wouldn't trade him for any other dman and neither would GMJR.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Cmon man, Karlsson is better and this is coming from a Pens fan, but I would rather have Letang on my team than EK and it is a little biased but I would rather have the player on my team who I am more comfortable with because the difference between EK and Letang isn't that big that I would want to switch dmen, if that makes sense. LA fans wouldn't trade Doughty for any dman, SJ wouldn't trade Burns for any dman Pittsburgh wouldn't trade Letang for any dman, and Ott wouldn't trade EK for any dman. So I guess it is all just based on preference and being biased haha. So all in all, Karlsson is the best dman in league in my opinion, Letang is top 5 and I wouldn't trade him for any other dman and neither would GMJR.

Better at what, exactly?

Once again, putting up more points doesn't make Karlsson a better blueliner.

It's like making the argument Coffey was better than Lidstrom, Murphy, Robinson, Leetch, Potvin, Chelios, etc because he had a higher P/PG avg.

Anyone who watched Coffey play knew he had issues in his own end, but stats don't give you the full picture of a player, and never have.

 

[ComplianceBuyout]

Thread is only 2 pages long and we already deviated from the subject to now Karlsson vs Letang. Give me a fuking break. Discuss this **** somewhere else, not in the trade forum