Proposal: Pit-Tor

[Halla]

got the idea from the 3 team trade thread, but gonna cut dallas out of the equation all together because no one is taking on lehtonens albatross contract.


TO PIT: JVR @ 3.25, Hunwick @ 1.20, SJ 2017 2nd
TO TOR: Kunitz @ 3.85, Pouliot @ 0.86, Pit 2017 1st

Toronto can probably flip Kunitz for a late 2nd at the deadline,
so we basically get Pouliot and a late 1st for JVR with a little retained.

pittsburgh gets to roll out three lines that feature crosby/hornqvist, malkin/hagelin, and kessel/JVR.

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[Finnish your Czech]

No thanks

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I think Toronto can do better.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Kunitz has already vetoed a trade to the Leafs, dont see him waiving.

 

[Brock Radunske]

No thanks.
If I'm trading JVR for a defensive prospect, I wouldn't choose Pouliot.

 

[Trapper]

got the idea from the 3 team trade thread, but gonna cut dallas out of the equation all together because no one is taking on lehtonens albatross contract.


TO PIT: JVR @ 3.25, Hunwick @ 1.20, SJ 2017 2nd
TO TOR: Kunitz @ 3.85, Pouliot @ 0.86, Pit 2017 1st

Toronto can probably flip Kunitz for a late 2nd at the deadline,
so we basically get Pouliot and a late 1st for JVR with a little retained.

pittsburgh gets to roll out three lines that feature crosby/hornqvist, malkin/hagelin, and kessel/JVR.

First of all the Leafs have no interest in Kunitz and Kunitz has no interest in the Leafs.
Pittsburgh wouldn't include Pouliot in a Kessel deal so it's doubtful for JVR.
The Pens need their cost controlled players.
The Leafs have enough LHD in the system and should probably evaluate them first.
Leafs need JVR more than they need this deal at the moment.

 

[Liferleafer]

Kunitz has already vetoed a trade to the Leafs, dont see him waiving.

I thank God every day that he refudsed....the Kessel deal was bad enough...taking Kunitz would have been worse. As to the OP...easy pass. I wouldn't deal JVR period...but if it happened, it would be for a young established D..like Fowler at minimum.

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

Kunitz doesn't really fit the mould of the team and while pouliot is nice we have player like him in Rielly and gardiner. Jvr also is worth significantly more to us than whatever Kunitz can still bring to the table (playing w/ Crosby can have a bag of rocks score 15). Also, I'm pretty sure we traded the sjs pick for andersen

 

[Mad Brills*]

kunitz isn't waiving to toronto

 

[WTFMAN99]

Leafs pass.

 

[wej20]

I thank God every day that he refudsed....the Kessel deal was bad enough...taking Kunitz would have been worse. As to the OP...easy pass. I wouldn't deal JVR period...but if it happened, it would be for a young established D..like Fowler at minimum.

Kunitz would have fetched a better return at the deadline than Nick Spaling.

 

[garyturner3]

First of all the Leafs have no interest in Kunitz and Kunitz has no interest in the Leafs.
Pittsburgh wouldn't include Pouliot in a Kessel deal so it's doubtful for JVR.
The Pens need their cost controlled players.
The Leafs have enough LHD in the system and should probably evaluate them first.
Leafs need JVR more than they need this deal at the moment.

Is there any proof of that? I've yet to see anything in writing that even says the Leafs asked for Pouliot. Not saying they didn't, but I haven't seen any proof. Pouliot's value has dropped quite a bit in the last year it seems so I don't think it'd be as difficult now to pry him out of PIT IMO.

 

[iBELEAF]

Straight up garbage

 

[Hogan86]

If the Leafs deal JVR, they will not be retaining on his deal. His contract is already a bargain. Kunitz won't waive to come to the Leafs as a 36 year old, and Pouliot is really inconsistent and just isn't that great of a player. Leafs pass, easily.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Is there any proof of that? I've yet to see anything in writing that even says the Leafs asked for Pouliot. Not saying they didn't, but I haven't seen any proof. Pouliot's value has dropped quite a bit in the last year it seems so I don't think it'd be as difficult now to pry him out of PIT IMO.

Yep:

Many observers thought the Leafs erred in not trying harder to pry 2012 first-rounder Derrick Pouliot away from Rutherford, considered one of Pittsburgh’s best blue-line prospects.

“It’s hard to find guys such as Pouliot,” Rutherford said. “As he matures, he’ll be an important part of our power play and we didn’t want to let him go.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/01/maple-leafs-trade-phil-kessel-to-penguins

Pouliot scored at a 32 point pace with 14 minutes a night. Morgan Rielly scored 36 playing 23 minutes a night. I realize it's a smaller sample size and their teams play a big part, but DP certainly hasn't done anything to see his value drop.

As for the proposal, it seems pretty good value-wise, but I'm of the opinion that DP's upside is too valuable for us moving forward.

 

[garyturner3]

Yep:



http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/01/maple-leafs-trade-phil-kessel-to-penguins

Pouliot scored at a 32 point pace with 14 minutes a night. Morgan Rielly scored 36 playing 23 minutes a night. I realize it's a smaller sample size and their teams play a big part, but DP certainly hasn't done anything to see his value drop.

As for the proposal, it seems pretty good value-wise, but I'm of the opinion that DP's upside is too valuable for us moving forward.

Thanks for the link. It makes sense that TO would have been after him given that he was the team's best prospect. He's the guy I was hoping for in the deal.

 

[SEALBound]

From the Penguins perspective:

1. We can't give out any more 1st round picks. So that's a non starter for me. Pouliot was an 8OV. I don't believe JVR is worth a roster player and 2 1sts.

2. No real interest in Hunwick. I mean...why? How does he fit at all? Pouliot is already 6/7 in depth charts through shear number games.

3. Kunitz declined a trade to Toronto in the Kessel deal. Why would he do it now?

4. Pouliot replaces Daley at the end of the year (in my eyes). Saves us a lot of $$$ and cap space. We have several good forward prospects coming up that can take the LW spot. Sprong will push for roster time next year as well. So while having JVR would be nice, he's not cheap for us.

I decline. Too many moving parts. Maybe come deadline time when we have a clearer picture. But right now, pass.

 

[Liferleafer]

Kunitz would have fetched a better return at the deadline than Nick Spaling.

Chris Kunitz? The guy who has hit 40 points in each of the last 2 seasons playing with Crosby? That Chris Kunitz? Ya....he would have have landed us the mother load.

 

[wej20]

Chris Kunitz? The guy who has hit 40 points in each of the last 2 seasons playing with Crosby? That Chris Kunitz? Ya....he would have have landed us the mother load.

Are you not familiar with the trade deadline? Kunitz (especially if Leafs retained salary) would have netted a better return than Spaling (Possibly the most Vanilla player in the NHL).

 

[Kamiccolo]

Yep:



http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/01/maple-leafs-trade-phil-kessel-to-penguins

Pouliot scored at a 32 point pace with 14 minutes a night. Morgan Rielly scored 36 playing 23 minutes a night. I realize it's a smaller sample size and their teams play a big part, but DP certainly hasn't done anything to see his value drop.

As for the proposal, it seems pretty good value-wise, but I'm of the opinion that DP's upside is too valuable for us moving forward.

One was shutting down top lines... And not playing PP minutes half the year..

 

[GreatjonUmber]

One was shutting down top lines... And not playing PP minutes half the year..

For what it's worth DP wasn't playing much PP at all really. Maybe some second unit here and there.

 

[TDK67]

For what it's worth DP wasn't playing much PP at all really. Maybe some second unit here and there.

Pouliot is the same age as Rielly but has only played 56 games in the NHL with very limited/sheltered ice time.

Let's ease up on any comparisons/justifications on why he has or has not played as well as Rielly so far. He has a very long way to go before even sniffing Rielly's tier of young d-men.

 

[TDK67]

Yep:



http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/01/maple-leafs-trade-phil-kessel-to-penguins

Pouliot scored at a 32 point pace with 14 minutes a night. Morgan Rielly scored 36 playing 23 minutes a night. I realize it's a smaller sample size and their teams play a big part, but DP certainly hasn't done anything to see his value drop.

As for the proposal, it seems pretty good value-wise, but I'm of the opinion that DP's upside is too valuable for us moving forward.

Just curious where you're getting that from. Looking at his career NHL numbers and his individual season numbers, he's never come close to a 32 pts pace.

 

[Liferleafer]

Are you not familiar with the trade deadline? Kunitz (especially if Leafs retained salary) would have netted a better return than Spaling (Possibly the most Vanilla player in the NHL).

Why yes, i am familiar. Last season P A Parenteau finished with 1 more point than Kunitz (let that sink in), he was cheaper as well.....and we couldn't find a taker at the deadline. So please enlighten me on how Kunitz was a lock to land us anything, let alone more than Spaling.

 

[gdsmack267]

Pens cant add another forward. Would just lose one in expansion