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A rare win for Dubas, we will take it!!
Confirmed Trade: [PIT/NSH] Philip Tomasino for 2027 4th round pick
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Empoleon8771
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I'm not thinking Tomisano has any wildly high upside, but he pretty clearly looks like a guy who could be a 20 goal, 50 point complementary winger alongside Malkin. Getting that for a 4th in 2 years from now (that they got by trading a rental Chad Ruhwedel) is excellent business by Dubas and pretty bad business by Trotz.
It stinks that Malkin only had about a year and a half left, but McGroarty-Malkin-Tomisano would be a nice line for them to run with for the last bit of Malkin's career once McGroarty is ready.
It stinks that Malkin only had about a year and a half left, but McGroarty-Malkin-Tomisano would be a nice line for them to run with for the last bit of Malkin's career once McGroarty is ready.
Empoleon8771
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Tomasino just had a filthy primary assist on Malkin's goal. Behind the back tap pass to Malkin.
Nashville is looking completely silly for trading him for a 4th over giving him a chance in the top-6.
Nashville is looking completely silly for trading him for a 4th over giving him a chance in the top-6.
Yep, will probably go down as the second worst move we've ever made, next to Fabbro of course.
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I'm glad Tomasino has shown so well right away. When he first made the team at 20 (he played his last junior year in the AHL due to Covid), it sure seemed like he was going to be top-6 fixture for the Preds by now. Instead, after being gradually railroaded out of the lineup and not standing out particularly in the AHL playoffs last year, I was worried it would take him a while to get his confidence back and produce.
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Petes2424
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To be fair to Barry, nobody debates Tomasino having NHL skills. It’s the rest of his game and any consistency they gave up on.
Trading a skilled younger player for a 4th rounder is you announcing to the league, he’s a “dime a dozen” winger.
When you’re that skilled though, you’re always gonna get a second NHL look playing in someone’s Top 6. We’ll know a lot more in 50 or so games. If there’s no consistency, he’ll end up on the 3rd or 4th line again.
Trading a skilled younger player for a 4th rounder is you announcing to the league, he’s a “dime a dozen” winger.
When you’re that skilled though, you’re always gonna get a second NHL look playing in someone’s Top 6. We’ll know a lot more in 50 or so games. If there’s no consistency, he’ll end up on the 3rd or 4th line again.
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Arkadiusz
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Lets pump the brakes on the celly for the trade and re-evaluate in 20 games or so...
Ryder71
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Agreed, it's certainly a great start but yeah, lets see how it looks in mid jan.
At least we have Saros and we got a decently fair return. I'm ok with that when he requested a trade.
Empoleon8771
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I think you can pretty clearly say that trading a young talent like Tomasino for a 2027 4th is going to end up bad for Nashville unless Tomasino completely flops as a NHLer.
Even before he was traded, he had 71 points in 159 career NHL games. Selling him for a 4th in 2 years (that the Penguins got for Chad Ruhwedel) as a 23 year old is horrible mismanagement by the Predators. Even if he doesn't maintain his level of play with the Penguins (looks like a 50 point complementary winger), it's still an awful deal for Nashville.
Fun to see actually skilled and confident young player with 71. Has been too long. His two way game doesn't matter because Malkin line is sheltered defensively.
DesertPenguin
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This is starting to look like when the Pens traded McCann for peanuts just to protect Carter and guarantee Tanev went to Seattle. So much damage done in that expansion draft.
SomeDude
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Any player under the age of 31, and/or not from the greater Boston area, is only 1 ill advised penalty, or some similar mistake, away from being healthy scratched into oblivion with Mike Sullivan.
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SomeDude
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I think you over-estimate the intelligence of NHL GMs. Like 1/3 of them passed on Tolvanen for free on waivers.
Even if he falls off a cliff tomorrow. What's really the downside of burning up a mid-round pick three drafts out for a former 1st rounder who is only 23 years old?
I am no fan whatsoever of Dubas (saying this as a Leaf fan), but I give him full credit for that one as that is the exact type of trade that has minimal to no risk for the Penguins and has upwards of home run potential otherwise.
Khelandros
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Nah, Trotz will draft some 7th round goalie out of Uzbekistan and Mitch Korn will turn him into the second coming of Dominik Hasek.
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And that seems to be the disconnect on that one. Askarov wanted out, its not like Trotz just decided he needed to trade Askarov. So there was at least a reason for it.
Frankly if what I think is coming does and it goes where I think it does, Askarov, even if good, will have used up a lot of his lifespan by the time the team gets into a position to do much of anything in the first place. Frankly we would just end up wasting him instead of Saros.
I didn't like the trade but pretty much called it the day we drafted him, which may be why it doesn't bother me.
Tolvanen, Fabbro, and Tomasino there was no reason for, other than 2 bad coaches and 2 GM's that lost their brains. Not to mention they were all given away for basically nothing.
I'm not a Columbus, Seattle, or Pittsbugh fan but I hope all 3 continue to do well whoever they play for.
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He wanted out because trotz went and signed a vet goalie to be back up for the next two years leaving askarov no avenue to the NHL in that time period. Than he goes and trades said road block 20 games into his contract it was absolutely bungled by trotz.
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Justus Annunen is our backup now, so obviously Wedgewood would not have blocked Askarov. Based on the way training camp went for Wedgewood, it's quite likely Askarov would have started off right away in the NHL with the Preds this season.
Instead, what seems to have panicked the Askarov camp was the Saros extension. 9 years with a guy signed to big $$$ to start ahead of him is the real obstacle that Askarov perceived.
Which I think was a little silly on his side, because he's still in the AHL right now, and for the next 1 or 2 years his pathway with the Preds would have been approximately equivalent to his one with the Sharks. And he'd have continued to have opportunities to look for trades, or Expansion would have given him an opportunity in the years past that, no reason to panic. But players and agents can panic, ok. The real problem is that Trotz gave in to their panic. He didn't have to cave in, he should have known he had time and that Askarov had zero leverage. Rookie GM overreaction.
Saros isn't just some get though, he's one of the best goalies in the league and just turned 30.
Not excusing Trotz's other moves though.
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