Proposal: PIT-DET

[CheckingLineCenter]

Pittsburgh sends:
Jack Johnson
2019 1st

Detroit sends:
Nick Jensen

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[jkutswings]

He's 32, with 4 more years left? A first rounder would be nice, but I don't know if it's THAT nice.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Pittsburgh sends:
Jack Johnson
2019 1st

Detroit sends:
Nick Jensen

No thanks. That's 5 years of dead weight, and he'd be blocking Detroit's youth on defense.

 

[19 for president]

Yeah that's a pretty hefty cap hit for 4 more years.

Maybe Johnson + 1st for Big E + Jensen but even then I am hesitant.

 

[Patagonia]

Cap Hit is for another 4.5 years @ $3.25M, but the salary is declining.

DET might not be a good fit since they have little Cap Space, but other teams might be willing to absorb the loss. COL, AZN, CAR or NJD might be interested.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

He's 32, with 4 more years left? A first rounder would be nice, but I don't know if it's THAT nice.

Yeah that's a pretty hefty cap hit for 4 more years.

Maybe Johnson + 1st for Big E + Jensen but even then I am hesitant.

I figure that the 1st round pick kinda helps wipe the cap hit— the ELC slides for at least one year (maybe 2) plus 3 years. That would be the rest of his term.

Also I’m basically making the assumption that the prospect from the first round pick would be better than what Jensen gets on the market.

I’d be willing to make a small but decent add, but I do think the value is fair.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Cap Hit is for another 4.5 years @ $3.25M, but the salary is declining.

DET might not be a good fit since they have little Cap Space, but other teams might be willing to absorb the loss. COL, AZN, CAR or NJD might be interested.

I chose Detroit because Jensen fits like a glove. Pens are doing this not only for cap but for the immediate upgrade on the backend. Detroit also had reported interest in him in the summer.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yeah that's a pretty hefty cap hit for 4 more years.

Maybe Johnson + 1st for Big E + Jensen but even then I am hesitant.

Ericsson has a worse contract than Johnson, and you want the Penguins to add a 1st on top of Johnson? That's laughable.

Johnson at $2.5 million is easily movable, even with 4 years left on his deal. The idea that the Penguins are going to have to add a **** ton to move him is just a laughable suggestion. His cap hit isn't high enough to have even remotely that kind of negative value.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Seems like a structured deal that Ottawa would like. High cap, lower salary. Add the first and Eugene would be all over it

 

[TGWL]

I don't think the cap hit is that bad for the wings. Waive him, if nobody takes him, you shed nearly a million of that and get a first round pick for a little over 2 million /4

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Might consider Jack Johnson if the Pens take on Jonathon Ericsson's cap. Other then that Detroit politely declines.

 

[Reddwit]

Ericsson has a worse contract than Johnson, and you want the Penguins to add a 1st on top of Johnson? That's laughable.

Johnson at $2.5 million is easily movable, even with 4 years left on his deal. The idea that the Penguins are going to have to add a **** ton to move him is just a laughable suggestion. His cap hit isn't high enough to have even remotely that kind of negative value.

Only on HF does the evaluation of contracts end at cap hit. 1 year left @ 4.25 is much better than 3.25 for 4 more years for what are basically inconsequential, mediocre defenseman.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

Cap Hit is for another 4.5 years @ $3.25M, but the salary is declining.

DET might not be a good fit since they have little Cap Space, but other teams might be willing to absorb the loss. COL, AZN, CAR or NJD might be interested.

That's what I was thinking when I saw the proposal. Maybe not Detroit, but I feel like other teams with more cap space next year would do a similar deal.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Ericsson has a worse contract than Johnson, and you want the Penguins to add a 1st on top of Johnson? That's laughable.

Johnson at $2.5 million is easily movable, even with 4 years left on his deal. The idea that the Penguins are going to have to add a **** ton to move him is just a laughable suggestion. His cap hit isn't high enough to have even remotely that kind of negative value.

Ericsson has a worse contract than Johnson, and you want the Penguins to add a 1st on top of Johnson? That's laughable.

Johnson at $2.5 million is easily movable, even with 4 years left on his deal. The idea that the Penguins are going to have to add a **** ton to move him is just a laughable suggestion. His cap hit isn't high enough to have even remotely that kind of negative value.

Jack Johnson has 4 more years @ $3.25 million compared to Jonathon Ericsson's 1 year @ $4.25 million so i hardly call Ericsson's a worse contract. Detroit would be taking on a by far more burden then the Pens would.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Jack Johnson has 4 more years @ $3.25 million compared to Jonathon Ericsson's 1 year @ $4.25 million so i hardly call Ericsson's a worse contract. Detroit would be taking on a by far more burden then the Pens would.

Yeah JJ’s deal is worse.

Maybe find a third team to take Ericsson and the Pens throw them a C prospect/middle pick? That just starts to get messy though, wanted to keep this clean trade.

 

[Hobnobs]

I think there are other teams that better suited to take JJs contract. The trade is fine value wise but we wouldnt want to be stuck with JJ. I guess we could waive him though.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Jack Johnson has 4 more years @ $3.25 million compared to Jonathon Ericsson's 1 year @ $4.25 million so i hardly call Ericsson's a worse contract. Detroit would be taking on a by far more burden then the Pens would.

Only on HF does the evaluation of contracts end at cap hit. 1 year left @ 4.25 is much better than 3.25 for 4 more years for what are basically inconsequential, mediocre defenseman.

I thought Ericsson had 2 or 3 years left, I think my view of his contract was outdated. Yeah, he's less of a burden with only 1 year left, but I still stand by my comment that Johnson's cap hit isn't high enough for him to have this kind of value. $3.25 million isn't overpaying him in the first place. Sure, his contract length sucks and he's not very good, but his cap hit is too low for him to have that kind of negative value.

 

[Ezekial]

Edit: misread other users post

 

[Hammettf2b]

I would do this in a heartbeat. JJ isn't even that bad. He takes over as Kronwalls role on the team with not being very useful and we get a pick out of it. I would do it. The next 2 years the Wings lose the roster spots of Green, Big E, Kronwall, Daley. You are left with JJ, DDK, Cholowski and Hronek. Plenty of room for a couple of kids.

 

[3074326]

His term is the issue. Cap hit is fine. People are parrots on HFBoards. One person says something and everyone runs with it.

No interest in giving up a 1st to get rid of a contract that has a cap hit of 3.25 mill. The contract is far from the worst out there, and we have seen plenty worse contracts get moved.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

His term is the issue. Cap hit is fine. People are parrots on HFBoards. One person says something and everyone runs with it.

No interest in giving up a 1st to get rid of a contract that has a cap hit of 3.25 mill. The contract is far from the worst out there, and we have seen plenty worse contracts get moved.

That is so true.

 

[Riptide]

Pittsburgh sends:
Jack Johnson
2019 1st

Detroit sends:
Nick Jensen

No. I know many do not like JJ's contract, but we do not need to dump him so badly that we'd attach a 1st to it - and certainly not when the only 'return' is cap space and a 28 yr old pending UFA who would barely challenge for our 3rd pairing. It would be one thing if you were talking about using that 1st for M.Green, and JJ was the cap dump and we ponyed up a little extra to get Detroit to take the contract, but this is not that scenario.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

No. I know many do not like JJ's contract, but we do not need to dump him so badly that we'd attach a 1st to it - and certainly not when the only 'return' is cap space and a 28 yr old pending UFA who would barely challenge for our 3rd pairing. It would be one thing if you were talking about using that 1st for M.Green, and JJ was the cap dump and we ponyed up a little extra to get Detroit to take the contract, but this is not that scenario.

Jensen is more 3-5D (3D with a strong partner) than he is a bottom pairing guy imo. I’d be trying to re-sign him.

 

[CapnZin]

I think Johnson’s value to Pittsburgh is higher than most would give. He’s a good ambassador to the city for the sport.

A colleague of mine does open skates at the Lemeiux Sports complex along with the open skates at their practice facility in Cranberry. Johnson goes sometimes to help out kids and people. It may not even be hockey related, but helping them learn to skate. He’s very big in the Pittsburgh community. I went to a Market Square event in center city where he and his wife were there interacting with a bunch of people. You don’t necessarily see a lot of NHL players doing that. Some do, but most don’t. It is a business, but he does a lot for the city and team.

Value is more than on ice production. Same reason why VGK picked up Engelland in the expansion draft. That was his home and, he too, is a great ambassador for VGK and the NHL in Vegas.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Ericsson has a worse contract than Johnson, and you want the Penguins to add a 1st on top of Johnson? That's laughable.

Johnson at $2.5 million is easily movable, even with 4 years left on his deal. The idea that the Penguins are going to have to add a **** ton to move him is just a laughable suggestion. His cap hit isn't high enough to have even remotely that kind of negative value.

Debatable Ericsson at least is off the cap at the end of next season while Johnson may as well be a 4 year cap penalty. Ericsson has a million more in cap hit while being off the books 3 years earlier than Johnson makes it better for a team's long term cap sitaution. Both are awful D but in the end the one that is off the books earlier is the better contract than the one who is also awful but signed until 2023. When the AAV is only a million in difference id take Ericsson over Johnson any day of the weak Johnson's term is a downright deal breaker