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OT: Pirates Talk: That Skenes guy is okay at teh baseball

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Blaming anyone but Nutting and MLB for the state of the Pirates is lunacy.

This is a Mickey Mouse Org. and it all starts with ownership not giving one single f***. So that permeates down to the rest of the personnel.

The ONLY way anything remotely changes is is fans (and you are on this board right now) stop buying anything Pirates related. Stop watching games, in any manner. Cancel your subscriptions. Tell your kids you aren't buying them any more crap. It's that simple. Money talks. And until Nutting and company start losing on their investments, nothing will change.

But that's a pipe dream.
 
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I think most fans understand that the Pirates aren't going to make huge splashes, but small, incremental improvements should be expected and they are few and far between and not necessarily in a positive direction. For one, I think they need to look at the batting coaches throughout the organization because Cutch might be the last organization developed above average regular.
 
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I think Skenes and Jones is optimistic while the relievers are pessimistic on the pitching side. The relievers were around 3 WAR last year with Bednar having replacement level year.

On the bats side, I think Horwitz, Bart, Gonzalez and Hayes are optimistic. I think the system is pessimistic on Cruz if he has a full year.

On the HOF side, Ichiro, CC and Wagner are getting in. I'd really love to see who the lone nonvote for Ichiro is, but I doubt they will reveal themselves. With CC heading in, I think the voters are doing a bit of a shift in traditional judgement for pitchers since complete games and lasting long into games will impact counting stats.
 
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It wouldn’t be a shock to see the Pirates contend this season, but their stingy ownership keeps their ceiling fairly low.
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Zips projections have the Pirates as a .500 team with a low ceiling. Not sure I see .500 with this lineup, but then again it would only be a 5-game improvement from last year and they'll have Skenes from the drop, so maybe.
 
I can see .500 with Skenes being Skenes for the whole season. Jones pitching the whole season and being good and Chandler starting from the drop. Keller doing his normal great at the beginning and mediocre at the end cycle. That could get them above .500 heading into August and then they come back down when they don't make any decent trades at the deadline and swoon in August and September.

The issue is that they just don't have enough hitting to be anything else.
 
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A .500 team with a low ceiling sounds about right for what this team is right now. Horwitz will be a nice improvement to their 1B hitting and they're pretty high on Gonzales at 2B, but there are just far too many holes offensively on this team for them to be much better.

They need at least 2 of Hayes, Suwinski, Davis, Yorke, Cook or Endy to break out or return to form to have anything even resembling a respectable offense. I'm confident in Reynolds and Cruz and decently confident with Horwitz, Bart and Gonzales, but everything else is looking really problematic.

It sucks that Suwinski became a shit player out of nowhere because he and Cook platooning in RF would have likely been an effective OF duo, but penciling Suwinski in any role at this point is completely unviable.
 
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Baseball America released their new top-100 with Chandler as the 7th ranked prospect in baseball. That's even higher than they had Skenes, they had Skenes at 9th overall last year. Griffin is tanked 57th and Harrington is ranked 74th, that's all the Pirates have in their top-100. Griffin is being called a SS in this ranking but I'm pretty sure he's a CF at this point.

BA rates Chandler at a 65 grade and a "High" risk, Griffin at a 60 grade and an "Extreme" risk and Harrington at a 50 grade and "Medium" risk. They view Harrington as a #4 upside control pitcher that should be in the rotation this year.
 
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Likely puts Kelenic on the trade block, although Kelenic didn't really have a good year last year. I was all for acquiring him last year but right now would be pretty meh.
 
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The league is a joke.

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No one wants what the Pirates have: even the 11 year old who found the Skenes rookie card is turning down the Pirate's offer.
 


I don't think this is really "starting RF" category so it seems Frazier is more being brought in as a utility guy. That said, I don't see what purpose he fills as a utility guy that Triolo doesn't also fill.\

This team just loves their versatile players even when they don't have spots for them.
 
If nothing else, it's grade A level trolling.

I have only barely paid attention for probably obvious reasons, but at this point it seems like the main cope position basically comes down to whether we can swing a trade with Baltimore for a young OF. They need better pitching if they want to be able to compete and seem more or less set on taking a similar route as us as far as free agency goes, though still not as bad.

They paid Tyler O'Neill, so there's basically no way that he's not a full time player for them. I haven't looked closely into something like a Jones-Kjerstad swap, but on the surface it seems to fit both teams' needs... the only other option I can think of is Varsho, though he's not going to bring the same offensive impact. And I would also assume any talk of Kjerstad is a pipe dream, but maybe there's something there -- Orioles have the offensive firepower but lack pitching depth and prospects, and the situation is opposite for us. It's a big leap to just assume we can replace Jones at the drop of the hat, but legitimately I don't think there's anything else (besides what we are going to do which is nothing, other than bringing in more retread or reclamation crap).
 
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