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Hulsizer has no intention of submitting a deadline, or threatening to bail. Instead, he will wait for either the city or the NHL to step up to make the next move.
It's funny he said just 2 weeks ago that he is losing his patience and only has the patience to last weeks not months. Same goes with the NHL and Gary Bettman, deadline after deadline comes and goes and yet they keep saying that time is almost up.
I really don't think this team will be leaving Pheonix, they won't stop until they have a solution.
Well, I DID try to drum up some substantive discussion by providing an analysis of Hulsizer's letter, but it got drowned out by competing analyses of Hulsizer's grammar, spelling and choice of fax machines.
You might go back there and check that out, and we could at least discuss that.
If there was any doubt GWI was not under the sway of McCain in the least. Clint Bolick was just on the FAN590 laughing off McCain's insertion into the situation. I"m paraphrasing here but Bolick said something along the lines of "I'm not sure what he's trying to accomplish, maybe he(McCain) should buy the team with his own money".
There is one relevant point, though, regarding Hulsizer's poorly written letter or rather the fact that it was poorly written. It appears that it was written in haste and not reviewed by a law firm, which would have picked up most of the errors to say nothing about the content. I find that telling as it appears an amateur, self-guided, last-minute move. Or do you disagree with that?
GHOST
I understand that several of the players are eligible for free agency next year, so they could legally walk away and get whatever the market will pay. See the following links...The player contract is with the franchise. Under relocation the franchise rights are transferred to another city. The players have no claim whatsoever and must abide by their deals. They are welcome to sit out though and be suspended should they wish.
It's funny he said just 2 weeks ago that he is losing his patience and only has the patience to last weeks not months. Same goes with the NHL and Gary Bettman, deadline after deadline comes and goes and yet they keep saying that time is almost up.
I really don't think this team will be leaving Pheonix, they won't stop until they have a solution.
I understand that several of the players are eligible for free agency next year, so they could legally walk away and get whatever the market will pay. See the following links...
13 restricted and 13 unrestricted free agents. Shane Doan isn't on either list, but he's already in his mid 30's, which is getting old for such a physical sport. While he's still a damn good player and team leader, his best days are behind him. Even if he wanted to follow the team to Winnipeg, if I were the GM, I'd be hesitent to sign him to more than a 1 or 2 year contract. If the team moves to Winnipeg, it'll be essentially an expansion franchise.
everyone seems ready to accept that the GWI is capable of deciding the deal is illegal.
The NHL standard list of conditions upon buying a team includes the 7-year "no movement" clause outside of the team's 50 mile catchment. Even James Balsillie was given this when he was tire kicking in Pittsburgh and in Nashville. (TNSE's offer to purchase the Coyotes specifically included clause to move the team to Winnipeg. Yet the NHL would ensure the team would then stay within Winnipeg for 7 years
clause is true how could this have happend in Hartford...
If this June 28, 1994: Whalers purchased by Peter Karmanos, Jr., Thomas Thewes and Jim Rutherford (KTR) for $47.5 million. Jim Rutherford named President and General Manager. Paul Holmgren named Head Coach. Whalers draft Jeff O'Neill as they host the 1994 NHL Entry Draft in the Civic Center.
May 6, 1997: Peter Karmanos announces that the team will relocate to Raleigh, North Carolina. The team will play in Greensboro, North Carolina for the first two seasons.
Is this a new clause since 1997 or did the rules get bent ....
Bettman has more time then you think because of where he is moving the team if that happens.
It's not as if it would be a Kansas City or Portland who would be new to the game and you need time to sell.
You put the Coyotes in Winnipeg today and they'll sell out tomorrow. That certainly has to play a factor to Bettman when dealing with this mess, but by more time it's weeks rather then what might be days at this point. He's also in no rush to relocate them while the team is still playing.
Is there a Glendale Civic election at the begining of April? How would this affect the process?
There is one relevant point, though, regarding Hulsizer's poorly written letter or rather the fact that it was poorly written.
First of all, Goldwater has done nothing illegal. You can be found liable or culpable of a tort without breaking any laws. To the best of my knowledge, there is no law in Arizona that says you can't sue or threaten to sue the city to prevent the sale of bonds.Goldwater has every right to protest and lobby the politicians. Threatening to sue if somebody does something is the definition of tortuous interference -- it is illegal to do so in every single state. You either sue somebody or you don't.
I'll simply repeat. There is no LAW against tortious interference.If Goldwater was acting anywhere near the public interest, they would not be breaking the law, they would work with the city to try and convince the elected officials that losing the team is better than doing the deal they have on the table.
The thing about free speech is that not only appropriate, or agreeable speech is protected, the ugly, nasty, self serving and distasteful stuff is protected too. There is nothing in the first amendment that says your speech must he in the public interest. And who is to judge what the public interest is? The courts have decided that burning a flag is protected, so do you really think the courts are going to silence politically driven criticism of a public policy?Glendale shouldn't be able to do "whatever they want", they should do what they feel is in the taxpayer's best interest.
The whole "gift" arguement is flawed at best and in reality completely ridiculous. A gift is something bestowed upon another entity without compensation. The COG is getting compensation in the form of 41+ home dates for their relatively new arena. Like I said, they may already own the parking rights, but parking rights are worth zero if there's no events to attend.
That $100m is to get the city a hockey team with a long term lease, because otherwise, they don't have it.
Goldwater is stopping the Coyotes from staying in Glendale.
Goldwater is stopping Glendale from reaching a deal to keep the Coyotes in Glendale.
Goldwater is stopping anyone from buying the Coyotes.
There is one relevant point, though, regarding Hulsizer's poorly written letter or rather the fact that it was poorly written. It appears that it was written in haste and not reviewed by a law firm, which would have picked up most of the errors to say nothing about the content. I find that telling as it appears an amateur, self-guided, last-minute move. Or do you disagree with that?
GHOST
I'd love for someone, anyone, to pull the trigger on this, at least it progress past the "2 weeks" crap...