Value of: Philippe Myers

[jaric1862]

He has seemed to fall out of favour in Nashville, what will it take for Nashville to deal him?

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[Soundgarden]

We've played less than 10 games and he was always going to be our 3rd pairing guy with potential for 2nd. I doubt we trade him before he can get some serious time in.

 

[PAZ]

I can't tell if Philly is great at ruining defensemen or is great at making defensemen look better than they are. I remember how high Flyer's fans were on Myers.

Feel like all Myers, Gostibehere, and Sanheim looked like they'd develop into top 4 roles sooner than later, but then they all just stagnated, regressed, or developed slower than anticipated. Add on Morin and Hagg... and that's a lot of draft capital and potential that really hasn't panned out.

 

[T_Cage]

After like 5 games? Way to push the panic button lol

 

[backburner]

I was wondering why he’s been in the press box so much.

 

[elitepete]

Canucks will give you the other Myers for him.

 

[Rebels57]

I can't tell if Philly is great at ruining defensemen or is great at making defensemen look better than they are. I remember how high Flyer's fans were on Myers.

Feel like all Myers, Gostibehere, and Sanheim looked like they'd develop into top 4 roles sooner than later, but then they all just stagnated, regressed, or developed slower than anticipated. Add on Morin and Hagg... and that's a lot of draft capital and potential that really hasn't panned out.

Myers was very good in his first full season (19-20) and pretty bad in his second (20-21) after Niskanen retired and he was asked to take on a bigger role. I still think there's potential there. Keep in mind he was Undrafted, so no draft capital there.

Sanheim is one of the Flyers top dmen currently.

Ghost, a 3rd round pick mind you, had some great years here (especially 15-16 and 17-18) but knee injuries and morons behind the bench altered his career as a Flyer.

Morin is a bust due to a million injuries.

Hagg just always sucked.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I still don't think we know if Myers is "out of favor" or if he just has an injury. Something is broken on his face. He has been wearing a cage all year since the start of camp. Preds may just feel that there's no real need to rush him back wearing a cage if they've got Benning playing ok as the alternative 3rd pair option. Let Myers heal up, then see what he's got.

 

[Armourboy]

After like 5 games? Way to push the panic button lol

Luckily no one in Nashville is panicked. He's essentially battling Benning for a spot and he hasn't played that bad. Plus the team kind of got themselves in gear so Hynes is choosing to leave things alone for now.

Plus as tight lipped as our management is and the guys covering the team stink so bad he could be injured and we would never know it.

 

[Flukeshot]

I can't tell if Philly is great at ruining defensemen or is great at making defensemen look better than they are. I remember how high Flyer's fans were on Myers.

Feel like all Myers, Gostibehere, and Sanheim looked like they'd develop into top 4 roles sooner than later, but then they all just stagnated, regressed, or developed slower than anticipated. Add on Morin and Hagg... and that's a lot of draft capital and potential that really hasn't panned out.

I'm a Flyers fan and I'm also trying to figure this out.

Ghost - I think the Flyers broke him by expecting him to be defensively responsible lol. Just let the guy be a 50+pt D and anchor him with a boring stay at home D. He should be a top 4 D.

Morin - he broke himself, literally and unfortunately

Hagg - Flyers did a good job propping up his perception or at least Hakstol did

Sanheim - was expected to be a "first class" 2nd pairing D or a complimentary 1st pairing D, not really
there yet. I think the Flyers coaching/development are responsible.

Provorov - I think he's where he should be, hype had him as a clear #1. I'm not saying he's going to be Hedman, but compare their first 5yrs in the league and Provo is on par. Still room to improve and be that #1.

Myers - still TBD but below expectations, I don't think the Flyers broke him. Also not a draftee so hype should have been subdued, it was not.

Next up: Cam York and undrafted Zamula

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Luckily no one in Nashville is panicked. He's essentially battling Benning for a spot and he hasn't played that bad. Plus the team kind of got themselves in gear so Hynes is choosing to leave things alone for now.

Plus as tight lipped as our management is and the guys covering the team stink so bad he could be injured and we would never know it.

Yeah, I think him and Glass both came to us as some unfinished products that needed a bit of molding and we just happened to hit a winning streak with Myers out of the lineup, so Hynes hasn't messed with a working formula. I don't sense any impatience or "fallen out of favor" from Nashville's perspective with either of these guys. With Fabbro and Carrier playing as well as they have on the D side, and players like Novak and Tomasino plugging in on the forward side, we can afford to be patient while Myers and Glass adjust and work on some of the holes in their games.

 

[Perennial]

Seems like a player Ottawa should be interested in...

To Nashville: T.B.'s 2022 2nd, J. Brown

To Ottawa: Myers

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Seems like a player Ottawa should be interested in...

To Nashville: T.B.'s 2022 2nd, J. Brown

To Ottawa: Myers

That seems like... maybe 2 years too soon? Call us back when Myers has actually played some for us, maybe?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

He's the 'all the tools, no toolbox' cliche. Looked promising at one point in the NHL but he's just got no hockey sense.

 

[Garbage Goal]

I can't tell if Philly is great at ruining defensemen or is great at making defensemen look better than they are. I remember how high Flyer's fans were on Myers.

Feel like all Myers, Gostibehere, and Sanheim looked like they'd develop into top 4 roles sooner than later, but then they all just stagnated, regressed, or developed slower than anticipated. Add on Morin and Hagg... and that's a lot of draft capital and potential that really hasn't panned out.

We're great at ruining D and have awful development in general. Ghost was far better than a top 4 D at one point, he was one of the best point producers in the league at the position at one point. Sanheim is a top 4 D (or has been in recent years) by ES play. Obviously, lack of special teams production but I don't think that's a requirement just to be a top 4 D.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I'm a Flyers fan and I'm also trying to figure this out.

Ghost - I think the Flyers broke him by expecting him to be defensively responsible lol. Just let the guy be a 50+pt D and anchor him with a boring stay at home D. He should be a top 4 D.

Morin - he broke himself, literally and unfortunately

Hagg - Flyers did a good job propping up his perception or at least Hakstol did

Sanheim - was expected to be a "first class" 2nd pairing D or a complimentary 1st pairing D, not really
there yet. I think the Flyers coaching/development are responsible.

Provorov - I think he's where he should be, hype had him as a clear #1. I'm not saying he's going to be Hedman, but compare their first 5yrs in the league and Provo is on par. Still room to improve and be that #1.

Myers - still TBD but below expectations, I don't think the Flyers broke him. Also not a draftee so hype should have been subdued, it was not.

Next up: Cam York and undrafted Zamula

Pretty ridiculous evaluation of Provorov

 

[ArchAngel55]

The start of the decline for Provorov was when they made him change his stick length. He was never the same.

 

[Flukeshot]

Pretty ridiculous evaluation of Provorov

Check zee numbers... Not gonna go further to get away from the real topic that is Myers. Just wanted to post and agree the Flyers somehow distorted individual D value, including Myers.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Philly Myers has only played in 3 games with the Preds, atleast give the guy more of a look before pulling the plug.

Something I’ve noticed with Myers in Nashville in the games he has played in, Phil was giving more defensive responsibilities like never before in Philadelphia and Myers seemed to crumble under the pressure especially in the defensive zone.

Philadelphia used him evenly in all zones but Nashville has used him more in the defensive zone, kinda as a stay at home d-man but Myers didn’t seem to respond.

 

[tictactoe]

Steeler.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Yeah, I think him and Glass both came to us as some unfinished products that needed a bit of molding and we just happened to hit a winning streak with Myers out of the lineup, so Hynes hasn't messed with a working formula. I don't sense any impatience or "fallen out of favor" from Nashville's perspective with either of these guys. With Fabbro and Carrier playing as well as they have on the D side, and players like Novak and Tomasino plugging in on the forward side, we can afford to be patient while Myers and Glass adjust and work on some of the holes in their games.

Bingo. Myers will get back in, but Hynes isn't changing anything with us winning games. Zero reason to move him or panic.

 

[YP44]

Think this is way too early but LA should be interested if this is actually a thing.

Lizotte + Maata

 

[1865]

I can't tell if Philly is great at ruining defensemen or is great at making defensemen look better than they are. I remember how high Flyer's fans were on Myers.

Feel like all Myers, Gostibehere, and Sanheim looked like they'd develop into top 4 roles sooner than later, but then they all just stagnated, regressed, or developed slower than anticipated. Add on Morin and Hagg... and that's a lot of draft capital and potential that really hasn't panned out.

Draft capital? Myers was literally undrafted. Ghost was a undrafted once and went in the third round as an overager. Hagg was a second rounder. Morin was a first rounder crippled by nothing but repeated injury. Only Sanheim really had any 'draft capital' that hasn't panned out, but he's still turned into a second pairing guy who's played 250 NHL games at 25 years old. Add on Provorov and that's really not bad...

 

[1865]

The start of the decline for Provorov was when they made him change his stick length. He was never the same.

Provorov is a #1 defenseman and I heard today he's the only defenseman in the league who's played over 500 minutes and hasn't been on the ice for a single goal against 5-on-5.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Guessing Myers' broken nose or whatever heals up, he breathes a little easier and doesn't have to play with a cage anymore, and at some point this year the Preds lose a few games in a row... then Myers will go back in the lineup and this whole thread is basically reset?