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As expected, Utley did a lot better with the public votes than the private ones. It's mostly the cantankerous old pricks that vote by arbitrary thresholds staying private. Hell, we've got them here still but at least they say it in public.

Told you!

It's either someone who a) didn't want to "waste" a vote on someone who was easily going to get in and give that vote to a player more on the fence, which is stupid. Or b) is a contrarian. Or c) is a terrible person for reasons we all can understand but I won't type out for fear of TOS

That person wants attention, so I don't even care who it was. I mostly want to know if they had a vote when Rivera was on the ballot. Because then the unanimous bullshit doesn't even hold up.

Best case is a guy who had 10 votes and used them all, but not on him because he knew he'd fly by. Then it's still dumb as hell, but at least he knows he should have been in.
 
Happy to see Wagner get into this hall of fame. He wouldn't be in mine, but I have tighter restrictions. And that's fine!

Can we get the Utley tally? Last year he had 17% I think?

As expected, Utley did a lot better with the public votes than the private ones. It's mostly the cantankerous old pricks that vote by arbitrary thresholds staying private. Hell, we've got them here still but at least they say it in public.



That person wants attention, so I don't even care who it was. I mostly want to know if they had a vote when Rivera was on the ballot. Because then the unanimous bullshit doesn't even hold up.
If he wanted attention, he would come forward. We know he won't, so imo that takes away the attention aspect of it

If the thought process is to give the vote to someone else knowing full well Ichiro is getting in, I still think you're an idiot, but to me that's the only reasoning in the same universe as acceptable

Yay for Utley
 
I'm a Big Hall guy (in all sports) so if I had a vote, I might well have voted 10 other people and left Ichiro off, not simply because he was so obviously a perfect HoFer, but to protest the stupid f***ing 10 vote limit.

That said, I can't think of any other reason for leaving Ichiro off the HoF ballot that isn't indicative of some form of brain damage or malignancy.
 
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Who the f*** didn't vote for Ichiro

Let's make our own HoF
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I'm a Big Hall guy (in all sports) so if I had a vote, I might well have voted 10 other people and left Ichiro off, not simply because he was so obviously a perfect HoFer, but to protest the stupid f***ing 10 vote limit.

That said, I can't think of any other reason for leaving Ichiro off the HoF ballot that isn't indicative of some form of brain damage or malignancy.

Were you always for a bigger HoF? I only ask because I used to be quite the opposite, but I remember exactly when I changed my mind. It makes me wonder how other people got there.

For me, it was Buck O’Neil’s death, when it felt obvious he was going to be in one day. So why the hell not do it before the man passed? We just did the same dopey thing with Dick Allen.
 
Were you always for a bigger HoF? I only ask because I used to be quite the opposite, but I remember exactly when I changed my mind. It makes me wonder how other people got there.

For me, it was Buck O’Neil’s death, when it felt obvious he was going to be in one day. So why the hell not do it before the man passed? We just did the same dopey thing with Dick Allen.

Pretty much. I remember as a kid, thinking that just about anyone who you'd call a star should be in the Hall. The Hall is a celebration of their respective sport's history, not merely a memorial to the handful of people the voters liked enough to give credit to. Anyone who left an indelible (positive) mark should be part of that celebration. My main example is Don Mattingly. He had a run of six years where he was one of the most prominent stars in the game, he won a shit ton of awards, sure, he was slow as molasses, but aside from stolen bases, his career stats aren't super dissimilar from Kirby Puckett's, but Puckett was first ballot, and Mattingly languished at sub 30% for 15 years and faded away. Why? Not a goddamned clue. Another one, I defy (generic) you to explain why Joe DiMaggio wasn't a first-ballot guy.

And you can find guys like that everywhere. No disrespect to Pierre Turgeon, but would you have put him in the Hall before Alex Mogilny, if you were asked about both during their playing career? Would anyone have expected Torry Holt and Reggie Wayne to still be on the outside looking in? Or Jared Allen, or Darren Woodson, or any of a number of guys who are finalists this year (and only 5 of the 15 possible candidates are going in at all)? I will never understand the line of reasoning that the 11th best, or 6th best, or Xth best candidate every year isn't good enough, just because someone else has a shinier resume. This isn't a job interview, you have a whole goddamned page of gold star stickers, hand the f***ers out.

Ultimately, the Hall should be about the game, and all the great players and moments that make you love it. There shouldn't be a bouncer at the door saying "you must be at least this popular to ride."
 

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