Other Sports: Philadelphia Phillies: The Road To .500 (2024 Edition)

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Kermit the Prog

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Nobody expects the triple play leaving Ohtani on deck lol

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Painter injury was in spring training of 2023. Painter would have been pitching in the rotation last year, and this year if he hadn't gotten hurt sure... but to say they didn't come into 2024 knowing Painter wasn't an option at all would be ridiculous. BTW, the Phillies then had him 'rehab' a torn UCL for half the season and he didn't get surgery until almost August.

Also Abel was showing worrying signs last year. Not to the 'fall apart this year' extant for sure, but in a "wouldn't be the worst thing if they traded him now and got value if they added a starting piece to the MLB roster"

And all of that doesn't change where the Phillies were at the trade deadline and some teams were seemingly trying to give away back of the rotation guys. I'm not going to go back and look at AAV and compare it to the Phillies and what it would do... but it was IMO kinda obvious and many posters did say they needed to add a 5th starter just to not almost give away every 5th day.

They got lucky a couple starts with randos, but overall it's been a disaster.
They do have to worry about cap, Middleton is willing to spend, but the penalties start adding up, not just financial but lost LA bonus and draft picks - and they've just rebuilt the farm system - long-term contention requires a top ten system (b/c you need cheap starters to balance Harper, Turner, Wheeler, Nola contracts).

So it's balancing marginal improvement this season v impact in the future.
Phillies are a team with the resources if run right to compete every season.

Dombrowski managed to strengthen the bullpen and bench without giving up much, basically swapped two pitching prospects and gave up a young 2B prospect who was blocked by two better prospects in Miller and Caba and Stott and Sosa on the NL roster.
 

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