OT: Philadelphia Phillies: 2019 Offseason #FireSZN

[SolidSnakeUS]

If he can pull around 3 ERA, I'll be happy with this deal.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

This is the saddest thing I have ever seen. Why Cole? WHY?

Probably because they’re the better team & were treating him like a top option instead of all these other teams like the Phils seeing him as a backup option to the top guys.

The Braves don’t really get into big name FA’s these days.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Probably because they’re the better team & were treating him like a top option instead of all these other teams like the Phils seeing him as a backup option to the top guys.

The Braves don’t really get into big name FA’s these days.

Still hurts.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I'm good with it. My Mets friend is furious, so that's a good sign.

 

[FLYguy3911]

If he can pull around 3 ERA, I'll be happy with this deal.

So borderline Cy Young season? Lower the expectations a bit.

I am really curious to see how they fill out the rotation. Do they add a lefty? Spencer Howard should be up at least by midseason.

Gonna add another bat or two with Cesar, Franco, and maybe Segura going out.

 

[DancingPanther]

So borderline Cy Young season? Lower the expectations a bit.

I am really curious to see how they fill out the rotation. Do they add a lefty? Spencer Howard should be up at least by midseason.

Gonna add another bat or two with Cesar, Franco, and maybe Segura going out.

If Segura goes it'll be because Didi comes in. Hopefully he goes for pitching

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If he can pull around 3 ERA, I'll be happy with this deal.

13 Qualified SPs had an ERA of 3.25 or lower last year. 20 under 3.50. Probably not realistic.

 

[DancingPanther]

13 Qualified SPs had an ERA of 3.25 or lower last year. Probably not realistic.

But still, he'll be happy if he pulls around a 3 era. I would be too.

Didn't say what he'd be unhappy with

 

[DancingPanther]

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Damn that's pricey.

But still, he'll be happy if he pulls around a 3 era. I would be too.

Didn't say what he'd be unhappy with

If it's 4 or over.

 

[FLYguy3911]

FanGraphs had him at ~4/75 lol.

Well if they are already in bed with the QO free agents, Donaldson on a short term deal could be an option. I’m not sure where they are with the luxury tax off the top of my head.

 

[FLYguy3911]

If Segura goes it'll be because Didi comes in. Hopefully he goes for pitching

That’s the popular thinking. There was talk about moving Segura off of short just after the season though. That trade ain’t looking great a year later.

 

[DancingPanther]

That’s the popular thinking. There was talk about moving SS off of short just after the season though. That trade ain’t looking great a year later.

It's not, no. But if the can flip for competent pitching, I'll give it a pass

 

[HammerTime44]

I'm excited that they now get to face Hamels multiple times this year. They lit him up last year.

 

[dragonoffrost]

I'm excited that they now get to face Hamels multiple times this year. They lit him up last year.

SunTrust isn't Wrigley with the wind blowing out...

 

[Chinatown88]

In other news

 

[dragonoffrost]

In other news

Baltimore going full on tank...

 

[JojoTheWhale]

In other news

There's no joy quite as pure as reading names like Dylan Bundy and Matt Moore and knowing you sold all of their Bowman Chrome autos in time.

 

[wankstifier]

The Wheeler contract is a nice upside investment. There's risk as well.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

If we were still going with a LH starter, I'd be up for Bumgarner.

 

[landsbergfan]

I like Wheeler. Tools are there so I can see this being a good deal. He has some of the best fancy pitches is baseball

 

[Elvis P]

He could be a great Kershaw like signing. He'll look good in the Phillies' (all the cool kids call them) blouses.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is Wheeler good? Do we want that?

 

[deadhead]

Wheeler has great stuff, two solid seasons after TJ surgery, but he's never quite put it all together.
Throws 97, touches 100, with his 4 seamer, 2 seamer, hard slider, hard curve, changeup.
The raw material for an ace is there.

So there's the typical downside with a FA pitcher, but also more upside than you get with most top FAs who are getting top dollar because they're at their peak and getting paid for that peak. Wheeler's been a 3.5-4 WAR pitcher the last two years, so he's worth $20-25M just off that (though durability issues in the past probably resulted in a discount).

The wildcards are Eflin, Howard and Seabold.
Eflin had one awful month last season, otherwise pitched like a solid middle of the rotation guy. Hopefully, the new pitching coach won't mess with him the way the old one did.
Howard has great stuff, touches 100 with 4 pitches.
Seabold doesn't throw as hard but has great command and actually out pitched Howard in the Arizona Fall League.

And of course, Arrieta without bone spurs should have one decent year in him before he rides off into the sunset, and certainly will be motivated in a contract year.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

LOLLLLLL.

Offered Hamels 1 Year at ~$9M.

#FIREKLENTAKINTOTHEf***INGSUN