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[Superman33]

Wait, am I understanding this right? He refused to play? Like he just refused to go on the field when his number was called? Sounds like a bad attitude problem unless it’s part of a bigger story

That is exactly how I read the situation. An ESPN article didn't exactly say it was "why", but it did mention he was leading the Panthers in like all receiving categories (but like, come on, it is the Panthers) before being traded this year to the Ravens. Since then he has like 6 catches and a ridiculously low snap count. Sounds like he is just real pissed about his playing time since being traded there.

My brother in Christ, Hurts a field general? Am I reading this right?

Hurts is horrendous at everything a field general QB needs to do

I feel like his major issue is he doesn't seem to throw anyone open, like he doesn't throw with anticipation. The WRs usually seem to be already standing in place when he throws them the ball to them. He waits until they are finished their route before throwing. This video is pretty annoying, but it does show why someone like Purdy has had success despite limited physical tools.



I don't think I've ever witnessed a Hurts throw such as that. Throwing it to a spot and trusting your guy is going to get there, not waiting to confirm someone got open before pulling the trigger.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Completely random, but, Colin Cowherd absolutely cannot quit Sam Darnold.

He’s a USC homer. Darnold was their QB probably the last time they had a team people thought was worthy of being a national title contender.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

This offense doesn't throw to spots. Tua throws to the most spots in the NFL because that's what the scheme asks him to do. It's his biggest strength. Still wouldn't pay him.

The list of QBs that has been reasonably argued to be elite or whatever other tag you would like to add to it this century without being able to exploit coverages in the middle of the field has one name on it -- Russell Wilson. That's the concern. One guy has done it and he had a unique for his time ability to Tarkenton around back there AND threw the best deep ball in football to leverage it.

There are plenty of scheme criticisms to go to here. I do not understand why Hurts is rushing outside the Tackles. That's not what he can do. If you go back to game time from Sunday, they ran him inside the Tackles and I was applauding it. That's a much, much better way to leverage his abilities.

 

[DancingPanther]

This offense doesn't throw to spots. Tua throws to the most spots in the NFL because that's what the scheme asks him to do. It's his biggest strength. Still wouldn't pay him.

The list of QBs that has been reasonably argued to be elite or whatever other tag you would like to add to it this century without being able to exploit coverages in the middle of the field has one name on it -- Russell Wilson. That's the concern. One guy has done it and he had a unique for his time ability to Tarkenton around back there AND threw the best deep ball in football to leverage it.

There are plenty of scheme criticisms to go to here. I do not understand why Hurts is rushing outside the Tackles. That's not what he can do. If you go back to game time from Sunday, they ran him inside the Tackles and I was applauding it. That's a much, much better way to leverage his abilities.

He came within 8" of scoring a 15 yard TD running between the tackles. It's like watching the Flyers- even the dummies like me can see what works and what doesn't. Like...come on

 

[DancingPanther]

That is exactly how I read the situation. An ESPN article didn't exactly say it was "why", but it did mention he was leading the Panthers in like all receiving categories (but like, come on, it is the Panthers) before being traded this year to the Ravens. Since then he has like 6 catches and a ridiculously low snap count. Sounds like he is just real pissed about his playing time since being traded there.



I feel like his major issue is he doesn't seem to throw anyone open, like he doesn't throw with anticipation. The WRs usually seem to be already standing in place when he throws them the ball to them. He waits until they are finished their route before throwing. This video is pretty annoying, but it does show why someone like Purdy has had success despite limited physical tools.



I don't think I've ever witnessed a Hurts throw such as that. Throwing it to a spot and trusting your guy is going to get there, not waiting to confirm someone got open before pulling the trigger.

Is it about throwing to spots, or is it about timing? If you hit the window, it sure looks like you're "throwing someone open" or "throwing with anticipation", but really you're just following directions. Throwing even a quarter second later in the NFL is the difference between your target being covered or being open when the ball gets there off a change of direction or in a soft spot of a zone. These windows are built in to the scheme.

But Jalen can't execute well this well. He processes too slow, he's too antsy in the pocket, and he can't quickly progress through his options.

 

[deadhead]

There are plenty of scheme criticisms to go to here. I do not understand why Hurts is rushing outside the Tackles. That's not what he can do. If you go back to game time from Sunday, they ran him inside the Tackles and I was applauding it. That's a much, much better way to leverage his abilities.

Said that at the beginning of the season. Hurts has lost some lateral quickness and can't beat defenders to the sideline, but he's elusive and runs like a power back inside.

 

[deadhead]

But Jalen can't execute well this well. He processes too slow, he's too antsy in the pocket, and he can't quickly progress through his options.

Is this really true or is it the scheme? Wonder what Hurts would look like in an AR offense.
Imagine if they ran more RB screens, had a slot receiver who could get separation, etc. Dotson is a disappointment, one Howie move that hasn't worked out.
They don't use Barkley enough in the passing game, not just screens but how often do they throw to him on a wheel route - isolate him on a LB.

A lot of the passing game is now coming off the running game, pound the ball then take a deep shot.

The other problem is Goedert, his routes seem to be crossing or outside, how often do they send him up the seam? That used to be a bread and butter play, as well as the TE settling into the holes in the zone (the Chad Lewis, I got 5.0 speed but I can smell the weak spot in a zone defense special).

 

[DancingPanther]

 

[ponder719]

I don't think I've ever witnessed a Hurts throw such as that. Throwing it to a spot and trusting your guy is going to get there, not waiting to confirm someone got open before pulling the trigger.

I'm no Hurts basher, but my immediate mental image of Jalen "throwing to a spot and trusting his guy" is overthrowing someone on a deep route, so instinctively I'm not super comfortable building an offense around him throwing where people aren't.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Throwing up 50-50 balls to AJB/DeVonta and trusting them to make a play is one of the things I think he does best. They just often don't look like that because those guys are so good at coming down with them.

 

[DancingPanther]

Throwing up 50-50 balls to AJB/DeVonta and trusting them to make a play is one of the things I think he does best. They just often don't look like that because those guys are so good at coming down with them.

The long sideline ball is the closest thing to "throwing to a spot" we get, and it's likely Hurts' best ball.

You and I both agree that a functional offense does not predicate on asking the best players on the field to simply be the best players on the field. The defense gets paid too

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The long sideline ball is the closest thing to "throwing to a spot" we get, and it's likely Hurts' best ball.

You and I both agree that a functional offense does not predicate on asking the best players on the field to simply be the best players on the field. The defense gets paid too

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I want to be clear that I think "throwing to a spot" is one of the most difficult concepts to spot in real time and from the broadcast angle, so I decided to pull one example of a play everyone remembers. In real time and from the broadcast angle, he just looks open. But look at when Hurts decides to pull the trigger. He hasn't even hit his break yet.



This is also why I beg people not to draw meaningful DB conclusions from the broadcast angle.

 

[DancingPanther]

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I want to be clear that I think "throwing to a spot" is one of the most difficult concepts to spot in real time and from the broadcast angle, so I decided to pull one example of a play everyone remembers. In real time and from the broadcast angle, he just looks open. But look at when Hurts decides to pull the trigger. He hasn't even hit his break yet.



This is also why I beg people not to draw meaningful DB conclusions from the broadcast angle.

This goes back to what I was trying to say earlier. This is less "throwing to a spot" to me, and more following the scheme of the play.

Is The Dude 1v1? Check
Does The Dude win his leverage? (In this case is the DB anticipating more of a go route by flipping his hips) Check

If both are true, you let him hit the landmark and let it rip. Or whatever the plan is. Landmark? DB hip flip? Either way, that's the whole plan of the play. He's not "throwing someone open" or "throwing to a spot", he's just being a functional quarterback. I don't think throwing with anticipation within the scheme of a play is the same as throwing someone open or throwing to a spot. One, again to me, is making a play. The other is just executing

Again to my dumb eyes this looks to me like identifying 1v1, then identifying the hip flip (and resulting leverage on a breaker) and then just waiting until he hits that timing window. Seems like it's 5 steps for Hurts on the drop then bang. So much of the NFL game is simple timing, and by simple I mean making all these reads in 1 second of real time

 

[JojoTheWhale]

This goes back to what I was trying to say earlier. This is less "throwing to a spot" to me, and more following the scheme of the play.

Is The Dude 1v1? Check
Does The Dude win his leverage? (In this case is the DB anticipating more of a go route by flipping his hips) Check

If both are true, you let him hit the landmark and let it rip. Or whatever the plan is. Landmark? DB hip flip? Either way, that's the whole plan of the play. He's not "throwing someone open" or "throwing to a spot", he's just being a functional quarterback. I don't think throwing with anticipation within the scheme of a play is the same as throwing someone open or throwing to a spot. One, again to me, is making a play. The other is just executing

Again to my dumb eyes this looks to me like identifying 1v1, then identifying the hip flip (and resulting leverage on a breaker) and then just waiting until he hits that timing window. Seems like it's 5 steps for Hurts on the drop then bang. So much of the NFL game is simple timing, and by simple I mean making all these reads in 1 second of real time

I read the design of the play the same way.

If that's your definition, that's completely fair. But then I don't think there are many examples of throwing to a spot and we shouldn't judge QBs by it because they're exceptions to the rules.

I think it's fine to define these things any way we want as long as we apply them consistently. By my definition, this would count. I'll give you the EZ view to really illustrate my point.



DeVonta is bracketed here without counting 31 coming across the formation. This is a throw leading a WR into a void.

 

[dragonoffrost]

I think this would qualify both as throwing to a spot and throwing him open.

 

[achdumeingute]

I read the design of the play the same way.

If that's your definition, that's completely fair. But then I don't think there are many examples of throwing to a spot and we shouldn't judge QBs by it because they're exceptions to the rules.

I think it's fine to define these things any way we want as long as we apply them consistently. By my definition, this would count. I'll give you the EZ view to really illustrate my point.



DeVonta is bracketed here without counting 31 coming across the formation. This is a throw leading a WR into a void.

Ha, I was looking for the all 22 of this exact play. This might have been his best throw as an eagle. He tried a similar throw in another game and missed the window for a pick.

 

[DancingPanther]

I read the design of the play the same way.

If that's your definition, that's completely fair. But then I don't think there are many examples of throwing to a spot and we shouldn't judge QBs by it because they're exceptions to the rules.

I think it's fine to define these things any way we want as long as we apply them consistently. By my definition, this would count. I'll give you the EZ view to really illustrate my point.



DeVonta is bracketed here without counting 31 coming across the formation. This is a throw leading a WR into a void.

Agreed. I alluded to it before but I think my definition can be summarized by "making a play". I think most commonly I would see this happen on go routes or other routes with no built in timing mechanism.

I would agree with the fact that in my admittedly narrow definition, there aren't too many examples. And I think that's how it should be. Again, it boils down to executing a catch + throw vs making a play

 

[Kermit the Prog]

I read the design of the play the same way.

If that's your definition, that's completely fair. But then I don't think there are many examples of throwing to a spot and we shouldn't judge QBs by it because they're exceptions to the rules.

I think it's fine to define these things any way we want as long as we apply them consistently. By my definition, this would count. I'll give you the EZ view to really illustrate my point.



DeVonta is bracketed here without counting 31 coming across the formation. This is a throw leading a WR into a void.

The best QB I've ever seen at throwing his receivers open was Dan Marino - specifically his 1984 season. There were previous QBs who were inventive and had great chemistry with their receivers (Stabler, Griese, even Bradshaw), but the best was (in my opinion) Dan Fouts, until Marino came along. He seemingly made such a TD throw every game that year. Mahomes is very good at it in today's NFL.

 

[trostol]

Guerendo vs CHI or Dowdle vs Cincy

 

[DancingPanther]

Green Bay seems to suck against tempo

 

[ChaosLord]

Detroit's D is reeling from their injuries. If the Birds were to play them right now, they'd crush 'em.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

We're all Green Bay fans rn

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I missed the Kraft kip up because I was rewinding to see if they really flipped the HB pre-snap into GF Counter, but then ran TE Leak off of it. And they did. I have never seen that before. Sheesh.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

It's dumb to need a streaming service to watch a game, but I love prime vision, or whatever. That throw from Love a couple plays ago was nuts.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Good lord. Aaron Glenn turning into Brian Flores because of injuries would not be a welcome sign if you’re an Eagles fan.