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Carolina's four-game winning streak snapped

by Michael Smith @MSmithCanes / CarolinaHurricanes.com
The Hurricanes played an all-around excellent game in Chicago on Tuesday, an exclamation point on what was a historic road trip. Upon their return to Raleigh, though, the team fell flat in an effort to extend their winning streak to five games.
"We were sluggish for most of the game. We got going in spurts, but we never were really able to get footing on it," head coach Rod Brind'Amour said. "It was a frustrating game. You're going to give up some goals, but we felt like it was way too easy. That's the game."
Recap: Canes Edged by Flyers
 
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Joe McGrath

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I still can’t figure out what the hell Edmundson is doing on the winning goal. Where are you going?

This team turns simple 3 on 3 (or 2 on 2 like the 1st goal) situations like that into tap-ins at an alarming rate because one guy in that setup forgets how to play hockey.

I sure hope Gardiner figures it out pretty quickly because he’s been terrible.
 

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What concerns me the most about gardiner is how slow he looks. I would be fine with him being an offensive/power play specialist type guy who didnt really play good defense if he showed much skill at that first trait but so far he hasn't. Maybe its lack of familiarity or opportunity to do that but in all zones he doesnt look like he has the wheels to be a difference maker
 

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What concerns me the most about gardiner is how slow he looks. I would be fine with him being an offensive/power play specialist type guy who didnt really play good defense if he showed much skill at that first trait but so far he hasn't. Maybe its lack of familiarity or opportunity to do that but in all zones he doesnt look like he has the wheels to be a difference maker
So far to my untrained eye, it doesn’t seem obvious why he was a “steal” at $4M in late August as a UFA.
 

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that faceoff violation penalty in the first period was such a stupid call and despite wanting to abstain from scapegoating the team's bad effort, they were buzzing before that. if they get another one in the 1st, the flyers probably go away. just a horrendous way to shift momentum.

Yeah you could visibly see them deflate on the ice. Can't understand why they are still so mentally fragile, especially with Marty back. The real Captain needs to return.
 

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I'm willing to give Gardiner through December as I do believe the system is different enough and the talent is different enough that he's going to have to work his way into things.
Yea, Dougie struggled for a while as well and then he started to settle more into what we expected. Gardiner has literally known nothing but Toronto's system his whole career, so there's an adjustment period. Plus has he really looked much worse than anyone else on our team in general? Every single guy seems to have had goal-costing brain farts, literally every. single. one.

Worst case scenario, you leave him exposed at the expansion, maybe even give Seattle a minor prospect to specifically take him (don't do a Florida though)...hopefully by then Bean/Sellgren/Fleury are able to step into that "top 4" role.

I'm not sure what is with this team being so incredibly Jekyll/Hyde period to period. Are we really missing Faulk on the back-end (who was horrible on the PP and had brain farts but made goal-saving plays a lot too)? Are we missing Willy's vet presence up front? Was McBackup really that big of a stabilizer in net?
 
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Navin R Slavin

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If the guys are that dependent on having Williams’ presence in the room then they’re not a very good hockey team to be honest.

They're young. Seems like most of their problems can be explained by the fact that they're a young team overall.

A strong vocal veteran leader is hugely important. I thought that was evident at the end of last year.

Saying they're "not a very good hockey team" when they're outperforming the team that made it to the ECF last year is just hand wringing.

They're a young, talented team that needs to keep learning and growing. That's it.
 

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They're young. Seems like most of their problems can be explained by the fact that they're a young team overall.

A strong vocal veteran leader is hugely important. I thought that was evident at the end of last year.

Saying they're "not a very good hockey team" when they're outperforming the team that made it to the ECF last year is just hand wringing.

They're a young, talented team that needs to keep learning and growing. That's it.
not to take away from the point about the team being the 3rd youngest in the league, but to truly outperform the team that made it to the ECF last year, they will have to set their hair on fire once again for a solid 4 months at the start of the year. realistically what they're on pace for is to not need that kind of hot streak to make it back into the playoffs.

though I will say that I think this team has the capacity to go on a hot streak like last year. maybe not as long or sustained of a streak, but we've seen the team play so very well for stretches of games, only to seemingly forget how to win for a couple games more. seems ripe for a "figuring out" kind of turnaround at some point, but as we all know that's far from guaranteed.
 

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They're young. Seems like most of their problems can be explained by the fact that they're a young team overall.

A strong vocal veteran leader is hugely important. I thought that was evident at the end of last year.

Saying they're "not a very good hockey team" when they're outperforming the team that made it to the ECF last year is just hand wringing.

They're a young, talented team that needs to keep learning and growing. That's it.

Saying they need their “real captain back” when they’re outperforming the team that made it to the ECF last year is what then?
 
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Saying they need their “real captain back” when they’re outperforming the team that made it to the ECF last year is what then?

That's not what I'm saying at all. The argument was "the team is not very good". My counterargument is "the team is good but needs stronger leadership to achieve its potential." That doesn't seem controversial to me.

Willy has a decade on these guys, so he's an obvious choice. If it's not him, maybe Jordan grows into the role; he's only been the sole captain for two months.

But I do believe this is probably a better team with Justin Williams on it, assuming he still has the physical tools.
 

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That's not what I'm saying at all. The argument was "the team is not very good". My counterargument is "the team is good but needs stronger leadership to achieve its potential." That doesn't seem controversial to me.

Willy has a decade on these guys, so he's an obvious choice. If it's not him, maybe Jordan grows into the role; he's only been the sole captain for two months.

But I do believe this is probably a better team with Justin Williams on it, assuming he still has the physical tools.

Apologies, I mistook a different post as yours.
 

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Is it just me or Svech doesn't shoot a puck enough? He needs to become more selfiah and be a volume shooter IMO especially with his shot
 

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