PGT -- SummerSlam 2019

[ColePens]

Kofi couldn't lose. If Kofi loses, then it kills the story dead and makes Orton right. He wins dirty and outsmarts the face. Seen too often, it only gets people less over.

Faces stay over when they get pissed off and beat the **** out of people.

I think the story they told last night was dumb. And i have no clue why they couldn't let Kofi lose. Cheaters win in life. Heroism/good wins out in the long run. It's the easiest story to tell. Orton getting the upperhand and causing Kofi to lose the belt would have been great. Then Kofi comes back and good wins out in the long run.

Kofi takes it to mania and loses. Incredible story/run. It's the truest story ever told. Saying Kofi couldn't lose is down right silly.

 

[donkshow]

I need this version on spotify ASAP.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Nothing stood out except Wyattt and it didn't feel like Summerslam at all. That being said, I didn't mind watching the PPV and wasnt bored to tears. For a WWE Event it wasnt half bad, but my expectations also were pretty low.

 

[GKJ]

I think the story they told last night was dumb. And i have no clue why they couldn't let Kofi lose. Cheaters win in life. Heroism/good wins out in the long run. It's the easiest story to tell. Orton getting the upperhand and causing Kofi to lose the belt would have been great. Then Kofi comes back and good wins out in the long run.

Kofi takes it to mania and loses. Incredible story/run. It's the truest story ever told. Saying Kofi couldn't lose is down right silly.

Orton getting the upper hand and just beating him is exactly what they should not have done at Wrestlemania. So it's makes even less sense to do it here against a guy who is around less. If you're trying to make a star while he's champion, you don't beat him. Look at Seth, the guy lost once - getting cashed in on no less - and all of a sudden everyone turned on him, acting like they saw enough of this even though they never even did a real match.

Plus when Kofi loses to Brock on Fox, it gets way more heat.

 

[Emperoreddy]

The moment Kofi loses he is done as a main title guy.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

The moment Kofi loses he is done as a main title guy.

Yup

 

[GKJ]

If there’s a thing to be critical about Kofi is that he does have to have better matches, and it is a real thing.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

I think the story they told last night was dumb. And i have no clue why they couldn't let Kofi lose. Cheaters win in life. Heroism/good wins out in the long run. It's the easiest story to tell. Orton getting the upperhand and causing Kofi to lose the belt would have been great. Then Kofi comes back and good wins out in the long run.

Kofi takes it to mania and loses. Incredible story/run. It's the truest story ever told. Saying Kofi couldn't lose is down right silly.

Kofi’s done as a title contender after he drops it. His story with Orton was 10 years in the making. Imagine he loses it on his first defense to Randy? It was all for nothing.


also, a father had to take his 10-year-old out to the concourse because of how terrified she was of Bray

 

[ColePens]

Kofi’s done as a title contender after he drops it. His story with Orton was 10 years in the making. Imagine he loses it on his first defense to Randy? It was all for nothing.


also, a father had to take his 10-year-old out to the concourse because of how terrified she was of Bray

That was one of the best parts of the Christian story. And that feud is amazing and memorable still today.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

That was one of the best parts of the Christian story. And that feud is amazing and memorable still today.

what was? they had great wrestling matches (something Kofi’s reign has lacked, and Orton is 7 years older) but Christian was never credible at all. he only won that title in the first place because Edge retired, lost it 5 days later, and then had a one month reign with it again after Orton snapped and kicked him in the nuts. that rivalry was extremely one sided so I don’t see how that comparison fits with Randy/Kofi.

the entire story was that Randy held Kofi down for over a decade. if Randy wins, Randy’s right. Kofi wasn’t ready then, and he still isn’t ready now, and the entire build was for nothing and it just makes Kofi look like a loser because it’s painfully clear that the next champion is going to be Brock once they move to fox.

Randy winning in their first match would have been bad storytelling imo, factoring in there likely aren’t any plans for Kofi to remain a champion contender after this run.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Not surprised kids would find that too scary. It’s adults saying it was pants shitting horrifying that I don’t get.

I expected nightmare fuel with all the internet hype about this entrance. Wasn’t that scary IMO

 

[Cor]

But Randy is right. Kofi’s not a main event guy.


It bugs the shit out of me that Kofi skips to the ring throwing pancakes and smiling no matter what.

Joe attacks you and your friends repeatedly and makes things personal and still doing the crap on the way to the ring.

11 year feud in the making, against the guy who kept you down earlier in your career and nearly ended it? Still doing the same crap.


It’s a big issue. I’m not saying he needs to walk to the ring in a monotone manner every week, but before these big matches? Show some f***ing intensity.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

I feel like Undertaker is going to have to put The Fiend over imo

legitimately become that new face of fear / intimidating element and grabbing the force from Undertaker

 

[GKJ]

But Randy is right. Kofi’s not a main event guy.


It bugs the **** out of me that Kofi skips to the ring throwing pancakes and smiling no matter what.

Joe attacks you and your friends repeatedly and makes things personal and still doing the crap on the way to the ring.

11 year feud in the making, against the guy who kept you down earlier in your career and nearly ended it? Still doing the same crap.


It’s a big issue. I’m not saying he needs to walk to the ring in a monotone manner every week, but before these big matches? Show some ****ing intensity.

Well, if he's using kendo sticks and teasing weapons, that's the way to do it. We can argue whether or not he is or isn't a main-event level player, but New Day has been a top act for a number of years now, and the top guy in the unit should be that and that's what they're trying to do. If you're doing a big feud with Orton, this is what he does and what they do.

 

[Dr Pepper]

I feel like Undertaker is going to have to put The Fiend over imo

legitimately become that new face of fear / intimidating element and grabbing the force from Undertaker

Taker should've put him over four years ago, at Wrestlemania, before Wyatt became synonymous with "losing every feud Vince writes for him".

Some vindication sure would be nice, though.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

I feel like Undertaker is going to have to put The Fiend over imo

legitimately become that new face of fear / intimidating element and grabbing the force from Undertaker

Unless this is a 30 second squash, I'll pass.

 

[HandsomeHollywood]

That was one of the best parts of the Christian story. And that feud is amazing and memorable still today.

I agree here. You don't have to be "credible" as champion. It's what heels are for. Christian winning the belt under cheap circumstances only mounts support for Orton to win it back. You can be a memorable and great transitional champion. Christian to me was Orton's best program after Foley, though it is important to note I'm an anti Orton fan.

Also, Rollins wasn't turned on from having to chase, he was turned on here before he even won at Mania.

 

[GKJ]

As awesome as the entrance is, with how long that takes to do and put together, it should be some kind of special attraction. But they're going to do it every week because that's his character and Vince thinks guys are supposed to go out and do all their stuff (just like why Kofi keeps throwing pancakes). Doing that entrance every week is going to take up a lot of time, and will only remain effective if they don't do it often. Sort of in the same vein as Finn Balor's demon.

 

[HandsomeHollywood]

But Randy is right. Kofi’s not a main event guy.


It bugs the **** out of me that Kofi skips to the ring throwing pancakes and smiling no matter what.

Joe attacks you and your friends repeatedly and makes things personal and still doing the crap on the way to the ring.

11 year feud in the making, against the guy who kept you down earlier in your career and nearly ended it? Still doing the same crap.


It’s a big issue. I’m not saying he needs to walk to the ring in a monotone manner every week, but before these big matches? Show some ****ing intensity.

To be fair, I think the point of that feud was Kofi not allowing Joe to get under his skin and make it personal. He said as much to Joe, that he knows his game and so did we. He did it with Styles and Hardy previously. Kofi was trying to be Teflon to get Joe riled up.

 

[CHGoalie27]

Nothing stood out except Wyattt and it didn't feel like Summerslam at all. That being said, I didn't mind watching the PPV and wasnt bored to tears. For a WWE Event it wasnt half bad, but my expectations also were pretty low.

That's the diplomatic way to put it

 

[JackSlater]

Kingston isn't a main event level guy and it was beyond obvious many years ago. WWE was stupid, also very clear at the time, to give him the title. It doesn't elevate Kingston, but Kingston brings the title down to mid-card level. Should Orton take it though? That doesn't really fix things other than letting Kingston go back to a level he's actually suited to. Part of the problem with Kingston is that when Bryan (who should still be champion) or Orton say that he isn't champion material, it's true and pretty succinctly buries him. Seeing Owens take it would be good, and I could accept an Orton win if he functional just as a transitional champion.

It's also pretty clear in wrestling that the chase is the thing for faces. Kingston holding onto the title as a goofy face with mid card talent is far from ideal, but people could get behind him if he was at least a goofy face who chases a talented heel.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

I agree here. You don't have to be "credible" as champion. It's what heels are for. Christian winning the belt under cheap circumstances only mounts support for Orton to win it back. You can be a memorable and great transitional champion. Christian to me was Orton's best program after Foley, though it is important to note I'm an anti Orton fan.

Also, Rollins wasn't turned on from having to chase, he was turned on here before he even won at Mania.

the difference between mounting support for Orton to win it back & Kofi in this situation is that Randy was leading the brand back then and everyone knew he would win it back. Kofi’s run on top is likely over when he drops the belt with how crowded the top of the card on Smackdown is (Roman, KO, Bryan, Orton, Hardy when he returns, quite possibly Lesnar in October).

Kofi doesn’t really fit in after his reign anymore imo

they also seem serious about building up Black, Ali has potential & is getting over, if Balor comes up reinvigorated he could be filling a spot on top, and it they ever get serious about pushing arguably the best in-ring talent they have and their next big Mexican star: Andrade should be up there within the next 6-12 months.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

for the record, I also only meant Orton shouldn’t have won last night in their first match.

i’m okay with Orton taking it at clash of champions or hell in a cell, but my gut tells me Lesnar takes it from Kofi and they set up Roman/Lesnar at WM again - although i’d hope they come to their senses and put KO in there instead.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Kingston isn't a main event level guy and it was beyond obvious many years ago. WWE was stupid, also very clear at the time, to give him the title. It doesn't elevate Kingston, but Kingston brings the title down to mid-card level. Should Orton take it though? That doesn't really fix things other than letting Kingston go back to a level he's actually suited to. Part of the problem with Kingston is that when Bryan (who should still be champion) or Orton say that he isn't champion material, it's true and pretty succinctly buries him. Seeing Owens take it would be good, and I could accept an Orton win if he functional just as a transitional champion.

It's also pretty clear in wrestling that the chase is the thing for faces. Kingston holding onto the title as a goofy face with mid card talent is far from ideal, but people could get behind him if he was at least a goofy face who chases a talented heel.

But that's exactly what he was doing, though, before he won. Overcoming the odds, even if it's cliche, bypassing every obstacle Vince set up for him, finishing with the big win on the grandest stage of them all. It was a well-written climax to a captivating story. Where they go from here, though, who even knows.

 

[BahlDeep]

KO should be the face of WWE. He's so damn good