Perceptions? Expectations? Illusions?

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It is a issue of expectations not being met (in the regular season). I am a huge Lakers fan and I would see the same thing during their many championship years. The worst thing is the amnesia fans get, couple down years and calls for the GM and coach to be fired will come. We will forget what DL brought this team and focus on one or two mistakes he made.

The Lakers board I usually visit is unreadable now, if they win the team is stupid for not doing a better job of tanking...if they lose the team is ripped apart and they all suck (but i thought you wanted them to tank?) And to make it worse there you have the Jeremy Lin fans who see every game through the lens of Lin and if the coach played him enough or let him run the offense they way they think it may suit Lin better...Ugh don't get me started on that mess...

Fans = Fanatics
 
I will not be happy with this team until a celibacy rule is put into place. No kids born during the season at all, it's distracting to their play and takes away from my joy! As an added bonus, think of the avatars. The Dry Island theme was fantastic, think what could be done with this.

I'm actually impressed with the season as a whole, the Kings are ahead of their pace last year, and with many more challenges. The Kings are actually top ten in games lost due to injury+suspension. The team hasn't been Blue Jacketed or anything, but important guys have missed considerably more time than most other teams in the league. Only 2 of the 7 teams in front of them are in a playoff spot (Pit & Min).

So all things considered, not much to complain about. There have been major distractions, injuries, getting everyone's A game, playing with a short roster, and fatigue issues, and yet they still control their own destiny for a playoff spot. In years past, this team would have disintegrated.
 
I will not be happy with this team until a celibacy rule is put into place. No kids born during the season at all

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I will not be happy with this team until a celibacy rule is put into place. No kids born during the season at all, it's distracting to their play and takes away from my joy! As an added bonus, think of the avatars. The Dry Island theme was fantastic, think what could be done with this.

The problem with that is that Neza is pretty clearly a stanley cup winning celebration baby, you're actually saying offseason celibacy :sarcasm:
 
I think if someone slid JQ a keyboard last night after the 2nd goal he would have typed something like "**** this. we suck. I'm done with this team."

the negative posters might just be channeling JQ.
 
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I still believe this season is anomaly and combination of bad luck with injuries and other stuff (Voynov). I also belive players lost a bit of motivation after last year winning of SC and their summer preparation wasn't the best (to much of celebration).

They will be back next year. Maybe it would be even better for next seasons to miss PO this year because I have no doubt in this case they will be on a mission next year (and already during summer workout) to prove everybody that this year was anomaly.

I also think that if they reach PO this year, they won't go far because of everything what happened last three years. They just need normal summer with maybe extra month of rest.
 
I still believe this season is anomaly and combination of bad luck with injuries and other stuff (Voynov). I also belive players lost a bit of motivation after last year winning of SC and their summer preparation wasn't the best (to much of celebration).

They will be back next year. Maybe it would be even better for next seasons to miss PO this year because I have no doubt in this case they will be on a mission next year (and already during summer workout) to prove everybody that this year was anomaly.

I also think that if they reach PO this year, they won't go far because of everything what happened last three years. They just need normal summer with maybe extra month of rest.

The players are already balking at this argument. Williams himself discounted it the other day, saying, in effect that "people who are saying this are just setting us up for failure, and we don't accept it." He said it with disdain in his voice.

Frankly, I'm tired of hearing this argument myself. The whole thing is really overblown. I'm sure there is wear and tear there but that won't limit the desire to do something special. As long as all the players feel the same way as Williams (I'm sure they do) and McNabb and Sekera are on board, I see another deep playoff run in our future.
 
Something you're not taking into consideration is that NBCSN and the folks that were commenting on the players during intermission are doing national coverage. What that means is that they're not watching the Kings on a consistent basis as fans, Fox Sports, or the radio crew do.

They try their best to remain knowledgeable, but their focus is spread thin so you sometimes get very vanilla opinions that can be formed by looking at popular articles and stat lines that give them some insight. The problem being that it can be a very shallow read and create false impressions.

An example would be if a casual observer were to take a glance at the Power Play Percentage the conclusion could be drawn that with a ranking of 11th overall that the Kings are rocking it. Fans that see it on a game-to-game basis knows that it doesn't always deliver in the clutch and the stats don't paint an accurate picture of the struggles.

Heck, during last year's playoff run NBCSN had the Carolina Hurricanes play-by-play person covering one of the Kings games. After a sequence where Jonathan Quick made a good play to move the puck he commented how he's a very good passer, while Kings fans are well aware that Quick has some... "issues" in that department.

Jim Fox and Bob Miller have both commented in recent games that Kopitar is struggling offensively, but you don't hear about anything like that in non-Kings telecast because they're probably looking at the raw numbers (53 points in 67 games, second on the team in scoring) and move on to emphasizing other points like the Robitaille initiated Selke stuff to focus on his defensive skills instead.

Not that Kopitar doesn't deserve it, but the point I'm making is that people who don't have a vested interest in the Kings are going to gobble up whatever facts they can quickly assimilate and spit it back out to the audience.

Fans of the Kings and local media are specifically rooting for one club and focus their time into looking up information on their team. They essentially have their fingers monitoring the pulse of the team and can tell when something is weird with the club because they're watching every televised game to notice the ups and downs the club might experience over the course of an entire year.

Casual fans, outside observers, and national broadcast folks will only be knowledgeable to a certain extent and after that I take anything that comes out of their mouths with a grain of salt unless they can prove otherwise.

I can't disagree more with this post. Mike Milbury, a former player and GM, made knowledgeable in-depth comments about Kopitar. He isn't some hack east-coast writer that is in his bed at 10:30 p.m. (EST) with his hot chocolate and 1994 rerun of the Rangers' Cup win on the telly.

Dave Strader sees the Kings all the time. So does Randy Hahn. Both of these guys know exactly what is going on with the Kings, and detail it on their broadcasts.

Yet it's all positive. Yeah, Randy Hahn might be holding his nose while giving compliments to the Kings, but he is a professional. All of them are, and they all know what is going on with this team.

I thought this was a given, actually.
 
I still believe this season is anomaly and combination of bad luck with injuries and other stuff (Voynov). I also belive players lost a bit of motivation after last year winning of SC and their summer preparation wasn't the best (to much of celebration).

They will be back next year. Maybe it would be even better for next seasons to miss PO this year because I have no doubt in this case they will be on a mission next year (and already during summer workout) to prove everybody that this year was anomaly.

I also think that if they reach PO this year, they won't go far because of everything what happened last three years. They just need normal summer with maybe extra month of rest.

The problem with that line of thinking is the Core is not getting younger.

Doughty is in his prime right now, Kopitar/Quick/Brown/Carter all exiting theirs.

Past 29 years of age you are rolling the dice with production from your players. This is not the NHL of the 80's, 90's, where players produced well into their mid 30's. The season is too grueling, and physical, since 2000 players are burning out a lot faster.
 
The problem with that line of thinking is the Core is not getting younger.

Doughty is in his prime right now, Kopitar/Quick/Brown/Carter all exiting theirs.

Past 29 years of age you are rolling the dice with production from your players. This is not the NHL of the 80's, 90's, where players produced well into their mid 30's. The season is too grueling, and physical, since 2000 players are burning out a lot faster.

Few players in the 80's produced well into their mid-30's. The 90's was likely a reality of the expansion era
 
I can't disagree more with this post. Mike Milbury, a former player and GM, made knowledgeable in-depth comments about Kopitar.

Mike Milbury's credentials as an ex-player/GM so he has a knowledge base so I'm not totally discrediting what he has to say, but so what?

Did Mike Milbury say *anything* that hasn't already been said about Kopitar before? Was there something new and insightful that he offered up? Or did he basically just re-wrap and re-present something old as something new?

He isn't some hack east-coast writer that is in his bed at 10:30 p.m. (EST) with his hot chocolate and 1994 rerun of the Rangers' Cup win on the telly.

I didn't say he was, but do you honestly think he's up at 1:00 A.M. EST watching West Coast games until their conclusion to keep updated on how those teams are doing? If not then where do you suppose he might be getting his information from -- game summaries, highlights, media articles, blog write-ups by other people?

Any halfway intelligent person on this board could do the same if they were to go and collect information on another team. I'm sure they could put together some informative opinions on said team if they tried, but without going the extra step there will probably be a lack of depth there in what they present.

That is what I'm saying is the case here.

It takes some intimacy and knowledge about a team or player to be able to poke holes in them critically while addressing a national audience like Milbury is doing for NBCSN. Because most people are not going to expose themselves to criticism unless they can back it up, especially when it's easier to bring up positives.

Did you see Milbury ripping holes into Alex Ovechkin though? He can do so with confidence because he knows the player as an East Coast guy and has watched the him play on numerous enough occasions to where he can defend his claims if necessary.

Milbury talked about it from the perspective of a player and what it would be like having a teammate like Ovechkin. As well from that of the G.M. if he had a player like that on his team, which were all interesting and a breath of fresh air compared to the usual Great 8 slobber fests.

That is why Milbury would earn far more points from me if he actually pulled on his wealth of experience and said something about Kopitar that goes one level deeper than most everybody else. Not to just rip him, but mention what he's doing and what he's not. Talk about things Kopitar could do better or an element to his game that could be added to allow him to take a step up into another echelon of player.

That to me would be flexing the power of his resume and credentials to say something that's not a regurgitation of past observations.

He's not incapable of being intelligently critical, but he's not doing it with a guy like Kopitar. The question would be why, but I think the answer is that it's as far as he's willing to dig into the subject, to be honest.

Dave Strader sees the Kings all the time. So does Randy Hahn. Both of these guys know exactly what is going on with the Kings, and detail it on their broadcasts.

Yet it's all positive. Yeah, Randy Hahn might be holding his nose while giving compliments to the Kings, but he is a professional. All of them are, and they all know what is going on with this team.

I thought this was a given, actually.

What exactly is all the time? Is that quantifiable to a number that's equivalent to or surpassing how often the average Kings fan watches the team?

The point is that while they are undoubtedly professionals involved in the game of hockey they are *not* people that follow the Kings exclusively so I take what they have to say with a grain of salt.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but to me, it sounds like you're saying that people involved in the hockey world know more than the average fan so what they're saying might be more valid than what we might have to say, which is negative.

If that's wrong then I apologize, but that's the feel I'm getting here so correct me if you feel appropriate.

But if that is the case then I have to ask, when Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun mentioned a win-win-win three-way trade scenario did you scoff or not?

To Ottawa: Nikolai Khabibulin, Brent Seabrook OR Cam Barker
To LA: Martin Gerber, Andrej Meszaros
To Chicago: Anze Kopitar

Garrioch has been covering hockey since 1992-1993 so he has a wealth of experience as well as accolades to point to as someone that knows what they're talking about, but does that mean I should take what he has to heart because he's a professional and I'm not?
 
Mike Milbury's credentials as an ex-player/GM so he has a knowledge base so I'm not totally discrediting what he has to say, but so what?

Did Mike Milbury say *anything* that hasn't already been said about Kopitar before? Was there something new and insightful that he offered up? Or did he basically just re-wrap and re-present something old as something new?



I didn't say he was, but do you honestly think he's up at 1:00 A.M. EST watching West Coast games until their conclusion to keep updated on how those teams are doing? If not then where do you suppose he might be getting his information from -- game summaries, highlights, media articles, blog write-ups by other people?

Any halfway intelligent person on this board could do the same if they were to go and collect information on another team. I'm sure they could put together some informative opinions on said team if they tried, but without going the extra step there will probably be a lack of depth there in what they present.

That is what I'm saying is the case here.

It takes some intimacy and knowledge about a team or player to be able to poke holes in them critically while addressing a national audience like Milbury is doing for NBCSN. Because most people are not going to expose themselves to criticism unless they can back it up, especially when it's easier to bring up positives.

Did you see Milbury ripping holes into Alex Ovechkin though? He can do so with confidence because he knows the player as an East Coast guy and has watched the him play on numerous enough occasions to where he can defend his claims if necessary.

Milbury talked about it from the perspective of a player and what it would be like having a teammate like Ovechkin. As well from that of the G.M. if he had a player like that on his team, which were all interesting and a breath of fresh air compared to the usual Great 8 slobber fests.

That is why Milbury would earn far more points from me if he actually pulled on his wealth of experience and said something about Kopitar that goes one level deeper than most everybody else. Not to just rip him, but mention what he's doing and what he's not. Talk about things Kopitar could do better or an element to his game that could be added to allow him to take a step up into another echelon of player.

That to me would be flexing the power of his resume and credentials to say something that's not a regurgitation of past observations.

He's not incapable of being intelligently critical, but he's not doing it with a guy like Kopitar. The question would be why, but I think the answer is that it's as far as he's willing to dig into the subject, to be honest.



What exactly is all the time? Is that quantifiable to a number that's equivalent to or surpassing how often the average Kings fan watches the team?

The point is that while they are undoubtedly professionals involved in the game of hockey they are *not* people that follow the Kings exclusively so I take what they have to say with a grain of salt.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but to me, it sounds like you're saying that people involved in the hockey world know more than the average fan so what they're saying might be more valid than what we might have to say, which is negative.

If that's wrong then I apologize, but that's the feel I'm getting here so correct me if you feel appropriate.

But if that is the case then I have to ask, when Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun mentioned a win-win-win three-way trade scenario did you scoff or not?

To Ottawa: Nikolai Khabibulin, Brent Seabrook OR Cam Barker
To LA: Martin Gerber, Andrej Meszaros
To Chicago: Anze Kopitar

Garrioch has been covering hockey since 1992-1993 so he has a wealth of experience as well as accolades to point to as someone that knows what they're talking about, but does that mean I should take what he has to heart because he's a professional and I'm not?

What?
 
My personal opinion?

About half the posters here are very young and don't know what it's like to root for a **** team. You guys think this roster doesn't care? It's laughable.

I come here partly for informed discussion with great fans and partly for a laugh.

The Kings are fine this year, we might not win the cup but I'd be willing to bet my unemployment check that the will make the playoffs and get deep.
 
Been a fan since 88, lots of crap years so it's hard for me to complain with 2 Cups in 3 years. Am I disappointed in this years team? No but I had much higher expectations. I thought Boston and LA would be the top 2 teams in the league, that's why I'm a fan and not a scout. I think this year is a result of some bad luck with the Voynov situation and Lombardi giving some of the older vets one year too many. Those vets earned that right to stick around for one more year but it's become painfully obvious the Kings need to move on from guys like Greene, Stoll, Williams, etc and become younger and faster. The good news is LA is now a destination for winners rather than a retirement home, we still have a good core, a good coach and a good GM so if they don't make the playoffs I look forward to free agency, seeing some turnover and next season the Kings will be a Cup favorite again.
 
Been a fan since the early 70's. I remember being a kid channel surfing (manually back then) coming upon a Kings game with I believe the Maple Leafs, and seeing the Kings Dan Maloney or Terry Harper duke it out with one of their guys. It was like rock um sock um robots. Anyway, the troubles this year can be attributed to so many games the last 4 years. In my mind anyway. We shall see if they have anything left in the tank to get into the playoffs. If not, we keep our No 1 this summer and who knows who it could be :D
 
I can't disagree more with this post. Mike Milbury, a former player and GM, made knowledgeable in-depth comments about Kopitar. He isn't some hack east-coast writer that is in his bed at 10:30 p.m. (EST) with his hot chocolate and 1994 rerun of the Rangers' Cup win on the telly.

Dave Strader sees the Kings all the time. So does Randy Hahn. Both of these guys know exactly what is going on with the Kings, and detail it on their broadcasts.

Yet it's all positive. Yeah, Randy Hahn might be holding his nose while giving compliments to the Kings, but he is a professional. All of them are, and they all know what is going on with this team.

I thought this was a given, actually.
Sorry, but Milbury is the last person I'd ever put much stock in what his opinions are. 1999 He made a disaster of the Isles with his opinions when he was there. His trading away of players were horrible decisions, not to even mention his draft choices. '79 he made a complete ass of himself by going up into the stands and trying to hit a fan with one of his shoes. Then not long ago, he got into trouble with a kids league.:rant:
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I wouldn't want to ask Jagr what he thinks of Milbury. I remember his parting words to Mike when he left the U.S. that year.
 
Sorry, but Milbury is the last person I'd ever put much stock in what his opinions are. 1999 He made a disaster of the Isles with his opinions when he was there. His trading away of players were horrible decisions, not to even mention his draft choices. '79 he made a complete ass of himself by going up into the stands and trying to hit a fan with one of his shoes. Then not long ago, he got into trouble with a kids league.:rant:
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I wouldn't want to ask Jagr what he thinks of Milbury. I remember his parting words to Mike when he left the U.S. that year.

None of this has a bearing on his knowledge of the game.
 
Ah good ol' Kerry Fraser

http://www.tsn.ca/c-mon-ref-the-lowdown-on-toffoli-1.239220

Given the entire circumstance and magnitude of the illegal hit, I have to believe that the absence of injury to Burrows, and quite possibly a tight playoff race that the defending Stanley Cup Champions are currently engaged in, had to play a part in the decision by the Player Safety Committee not to take further action against Tyler Toffoli.

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The main boards is digging up everything that the NHL has "gifted" the Kings.

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