People who think Nathan Mackinnon is the best player in the world, can we all just be kind of agree that… he’s not?

[boltsfan86]

This season is making me rethink MacKinnon over Kucherov honestly. I still think MacKinnon is the slightly better overall player but it’s atleast close enough that I can understand people taking Kucherov now. If people want to say Kucherov is a bit better offensively I think that’s fair.

I mean consider the past 10 seasons. Kucherov has scored 100 points or been on a 100 point pace forever now. Mack has only done that twice. And he's really not bad defensively, people got fooled by team stats last year when he got dragged down by really poor team defense at 5 on 5. I'm not saying he's winning a Selke anytime soon, but you get my point.

At the end of the day, I think McDavid is in a class by himself.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Draisatl can also create offense in tight spaces which will be important vs the Americans.

MacGinnon is a slight amount better in offensive free wheeling games where he can isolate defenders 1 on 1 and attack with speed (Draisatl is still great at that too). But MacGinnon traditionally creates nothing against defensive teams.

Its MacKinnon

 

[Fatass]

sorry, mackinnon isnt better than mcdavid because his TEAM won a cup before McDavids TEAM did in a sport where one player does not have enough influence to will their entire TEAM to a cup alone, unless MAYBE you’re Dominik Hasek, and even he couldnt finish the job.

It’s an opinion. You don’t need to agree. Imo the greatest players are all great. They are separated by leading a team to a Cup. It’s not like there’s some big separation. These greatest players are very close. I also believe that these greatest players value the Cup so much they use winning (at least one) as extremely important to their legacy. Crosby is a tier above McDavid for me because of his greatness in winning Cups.

 

[authentic]

I mean consider the past 10 seasons. Kucherov has scored 100 points or been on a 100 point pace forever now. Mack has only done that twice. And he's really not bad defensively, people got fooled by team stats last year when he got dragged down by really poor team defense at 5 on 5. I'm not saying he's winning a Selke anytime soon, but you get my point.

At the end of the day, I think McDavid is in a class by himself.

Yeah no doubt McDavid is #1 still. When the playoffs roll around we start to see the gap between them really.

 

[boltsfan86]

Yeah no doubt McDavid is #1 still. When the playoffs roll around we start to see the gap between them really.

I will say with the exception of last year's Florida series when he was "only" a point per game, Kucherov might be the best playoff performer. His per 60s aren't quite as great as the others but worth considering that he has played in many more conference finals (6) and finals (4) than the others who predominantly play the first 2 or 3 rounds. Guy doesn't really take a step back even when the games get tighter.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

mack's not even the best player on his team.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

I will say with the exception of last year's Florida series when he was "only" a point per game, Kucherov might be the best playoff performer. His per 60s aren't quite as great as the others but worth considering that he has played in many more conference finals (6) and finals (4) than the others who predominantly play the first 2 or 3 rounds. Guy doesn't really take a step back even when the games get tighter.

This shouldn't be controversial but it will be. MacGinnon isn't even the best playoff player on his team. Makar and Toews step the f*** up when it matters. Which is how the Aves have managed a lot of their playoff wins.

MacGinnon when facing big games has a worse stat line that RNH. And it's a big sample size too. If MacGinnon was born in Europe the Canadian hockey media would be cooking him for this performances.

Nobody in this generation looks more impressive when you're winning games 1 and 2 of the first round by blowouts. He'll put up 5 points in the first two games. Then the next four games he'll put up a secondary assist and an empty better to end up with a PPG stat line. But the reality is you don't win with MacGinnon.

 

[edog37]

McDavid, outside of his awesome goal, has actually been the visibly worse player in my opinion

That’s because it’s a big game. He’s not a money player, which is why he’s nowhere near one of the all-time greats.

...McJesus needs players that can play with him at his tempo; him and Point were both better in the 3rd last night once Stooper Cooper put them together...it's the same with MacKinnon; chemistry is extraordinarily important when playing with them at their Tempo (cuz let's be honest, NO ONE is telling them to play otherwise)...

McOverrated is supposed to elevate guys upward. Crosby made Kunitz & Dupuis into far better players on their way to a couple of Cups.

 

[authentic]

I will say with the exception of last year's Florida series when he was "only" a point per game, Kucherov might be the best playoff performer. His per 60s aren't quite as great as the others but worth considering that he has played in many more conference finals (6) and finals (4) than the others who predominantly play the first 2 or 3 rounds. Guy doesn't really take a step back even when the games get tighter.

the stats don’t lie though, McDavid reigns supreme. Which is already evident from watching them.

This shouldn't be controversial but it will be. MacGinnon isn't even the best playoff player on his team. Makar and Toews step the f*** up when it matters. Which is how the Aves have managed a lot of their playoff wins.

MacGinnon when facing big games has a worse stat line that RNH. And it's a big sample size too. If MacGinnon was born in Europe the Canadian hockey media would be cooking him for this performances.

Nobody in this generation looks more impressive when you're winning games 1 and 2 of the first round by blowouts. He'll put up 5 points in the first two games. Then the next four games he'll put up a secondary assist and an empty better to end up with a PPG stat line. But the reality is you don't win with MacGinnon.

Kucherov doesn’t even have good stats in elimination games either. Similar to Marner’s. It’s a dumb thing to judge a player by especially when you’re inconsistent with who you’re applying the argument to.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I mean consider the past 10 seasons. Kucherov has scored 100 points or been on a 100 point pace forever now. Mack has only done that twice. And he's really not bad defensively, people got fooled by team stats last year when he got dragged down by really poor team defense at 5 on 5. I'm not saying he's winning a Selke anytime soon, but you get my point.

At the end of the day, I think McDavid is in a class by himself.

Lmao, blatant bullshit.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Man, there were some SEVERELY stupid things being said in this thread after literally 2 games

 

[Grifter3511]

I mean consider the past 10 seasons. Kucherov has scored 100 points or been on a 100 point pace forever now. Mack has only done that twice. And he's really not bad defensively, people got fooled by team stats last year when he got dragged down by really poor team defense at 5 on 5. I'm not saying he's winning a Selke anytime soon, but you get my point.

At the end of the day, I think McDavid is in a class by himself.

Why the f#$% do you use Kucherov's pace to claim he has ten 100 point seasons, but then you don't use pace for Mackinnon?

At least argue in good faith or your point gets dismissed outright.

 

[Bounces R Way]

I don't think we can no

 

[CaleMakaw]

I mean consider the past 10 seasons. Kucherov has scored 100 points or been on a 100 point pace forever now. Mack has only done that twice. And he's really not bad defensively, people got fooled by team stats last year when he got dragged down by really poor team defense at 5 on 5. I'm not saying he's winning a Selke anytime soon, but you get my point.

At the end of the day, I think McDavid is in a class by himself.

Saying mack has only hit 100 pts twice is pretty nit picky. Last 8 seasons for each player including this one. They're pretty even.

GP P P/GP 5v5 5v5P/GP
Mack 548 780 1.423 421 0.768
Kuch 566 806 1.424 412 0.728

Depending on the season Mack Kuch and Drai have been interchangeable as 2nd best in the league and have even had stretches where they've been better than mcdavid.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I don't think we can no

Maybe if we gave him the bouque treatment

 

[GirardSpinorama]

 

[Dust]

I'm perfectly okay with him being the 2nd or 3rd best player in the world when he puts on the Team Canada jersey so long as the other guys are also on his team.

 

[CN8]

That’s because it’s a big game. He’s not a money player, which is why he’s nowhere near one of the all-time greats.


McOverrated is supposed to elevate guys upward. Crosby made Kunitz & Dupuis into far better players on their way to a couple of Cups.

Check posters city … yup sour grapes checks out lol

 

[Ararana]

Jinx thread worked like a charm

 

[Grifter3511]

That’s because it’s a big game. He’s not a money player, which is why he’s nowhere near one of the all-time greats.


McOverrated is supposed to elevate guys upward. Crosby made Kunitz & Dupuis into far better players on their way to a couple of Cups.

And Hyman got 50 goals all by himself.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Don’t watch him play often but when I do I am always struck by how selfish he is as a player

 

[Avs2022]

sorry, mackinnon isnt better than mcdavid because his TEAM won a cup before McDavids TEAM did in a sport where one player does not have enough influence to will their entire TEAM to a cup alone, unless MAYBE you’re Dominik Hasek, and even he couldnt finish the job.

Giguere willed his team to a game 7 finals. Lost. But it was all him.

 

[Avs2022]

Interesting that the player leading the NHL in assists is deemed selfish by many people. However, that Canada OT game against Sweden definitely wasn't the best look for Mackinnon. Makes me think most people are basing the "Selfish" statement off that one game.

Interesting, on the Av's, many Av's fans are complaining he doesn't shoot more often this season. Always looking for the great pass.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Natural Stat Trick is my favorite. Here are the empty net point leaders this year:
Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Jesus, MacKinnon and Rant are empty net merchants.

 

[Beau Knows]

Chemistry isn't always easy to find in short tournaments like this. Still, he's been a pillar for Team Canada.