People owe Eric Tulsky an apology

[newsportsfan123]

Can't wait to see them lose in the 2nd round again.

Only 8 teams make the 2nd round.

 

[Voight]

We owe an apology over a less than 10 game sample size? Jesus H Christ.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Except you didn’t. You also gave up Rantanen for that

No, he gave up Necas for Rantanen and Rantanen for Stank+1sts. He didn't give up Necas and Rantanen for Stank+1sts, because that's not how trades work.

 

[Nocashstyle]

It was a masterclass in poor asset management.

Jinx thread incoming too

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

You forgot Taylor Hall. He's a significant piece of the return and is probably getting extended.

No he was not a significant piece of the return at all. Hall was acquired 100% independently of Rantanen/Necas for a draft pick, it was only combined with the other trade so Chicago could eat some of Rantanen's salary. Trying to include Hall in the discussion is just a flat out terrible take.

 

[FlyguyOX]

He's a brilliant guy. Too many low-brows on this site

 

[newsportsfan123]

The Canes’ whole deal is about players fitting their system. Sure, giving up on Necas might look kinda dumb, but it makes sense if he didn’t click. Stankoven, Hall, and Jankowski are all perfect for the team. They bring the forecheck game, and that’s exactly what Carolina needs. And for the “just wait till the playoffs” crowd, honestly, you can’t predict that. Hall could step up, Svechnikov could finally get his groove back, and who knows what else might happen.

Biggest worries are the powerplay because it’s shaky and the goalies, who are up and down. The defense also has issues. Their style is super aggressive but lets other teams get high-quality chances way too often. Necas was probably expendable because of Jackson Blake stepping up. Blake’s a solid playmaker, responsible on D (kinda like Jarvis), and has potential at the NHL level even though he’s had some bad luck this year. Hall (8 points in last 6 games btw) brings speed and zone-entry skills to replace Necas, and Stankoven (also good at zone entries) and Jankowski keep the forecheck strong.

 

[FlyguyOX]

He's on a crazy little heater, but the weird part about Jank is that he already had great analytics for a 4th liner while playing for one of the worst teams this year. Moving from Nashville to Carolina greatly improved his support cast, so he's naturally getting a lot more production, similar to guys like Noesen and Robinson before him.

Yup. I got him off waivers to start the year and was suprised at how bad his luck had been and dropped him.

As soon as the canes traded for him I snatched him up quickly

 

[Freaky Styley]

I don't think Necas, Drury and a 2nd for Stankoven, 2 1sts and 2 3rds is all that great of value for Carolina, especially when they're a win-now team.

Just because Carolina didn't like Necas doesn't really make that value great.

I disagree. I think it's pretty great value given the relationship with Necas was frayed and it was clear he wasn't extending beyond next season. Plus you forgot Hall as another poster mentioned.

People can/may be critical of fraying the Necas relationship to begin with, but that's likely more due to Rod and happened before Tulsky was put in charge. You could also be critical of the Canes getting worse this season and 'wasting' a contention year (esp. in a weak division) but most of their best players on on the younger side and they still have a long window ahead.

Even though they probably don't get over the hump this year, with all those assets they are in a great position to reload and fill holes with Jarvis, Aho, Stank and Svech a year older and Nikishin coming over. Next year is when they should really 'go for it'

Credit to Tulsky for taking the swing with Rantanen, credit to him for quickly pivoting and avoiding another Guentzel situation, and credit to the asset value he ultimately extracted from Necas who wasn't going to re-sign

 

[GirardSpinorama]

This is a terrible jinx thread. If the Canes win the cup this year, maybe its thread worthy.

 

[Ignatius]

All three teams involved in Rantanen related transactions won, no one lost.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

No he was not a significant piece of the return at all. Hall was acquired 100% independently of Rantanen/Necas for a draft pick, it was only combined with the other trade so Chicago could eat some of Rantanen's salary. Trying to include Hall in the discussion is just a flat out terrible take.

Okay, so Chicago (and therefore Hall) was part of the Rantanen/Necas trade then?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Getting 2 1sts, 2 3rds and Stankoven for Necas would have been a fair deal.

Necas is soft as f***.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

This is a terrible jinx thread. If the Canes win the cup this year, maybe its thread worthy.

We aren't winning the Cup this year.

But there was a lot of noise made around the deadline on how horrible a situation the Canes were in and, I mean we are apparently better off now than we were before. And we stockpiled futures to either use in drafts or trades to improve the next few years. Not bad, to be honest, and certainly not nearly as bad as most in the media would lead you to believe, especially seeing that Rantanen kind of sucks on Dallas, too.

 

[The Nuge]

All three teams involved in Rantanen related transactions won, no one lost.

Not really. Colorado clearly lost. They traded a player who wanted to sign, and for a reasonable price, for a worse player. Dallas remains to be seen as Rantanen hasn’t exactly hit the ground running. Carolina definitely won as they essentially got a massive haul for Necas

 

[Romang67]

Mark Jankowski:
6 goals in 7 games

Logan Stankoven:
4 points in 7 games

That doesn’t even include two first round picks and two third round picks.

I know I could be celebrating too early, but the crazy amount of hate that Tulsky got for actually rebounding on the bet (Rantanen) is insane. Now, if he packages those picks this summer and gets another piece this trade could age badly for Dallas if Rantanen doesn’t break out next season.

You think?

 

[stl76]

Stankoven is a fantastic young player. He’s going to be a very good cane for a long time IMO.

 

[SimpleJack]

Not really. Colorado clearly lost. They traded a player who wanted to sign, and for a reasonable price, for a worse player. Dallas remains to be seen as Rantanen hasn’t exactly hit the ground running. Carolina definitely won as they essentially got a massive haul for Necas

Is Rantanen really a better all-around player than Necas at this point? After all that we've seen? Its tough to say....Necas looks outstanding so far in COL. Meanwhile Avs fans have been warning us for the past 2 years that Rantanen had become a passenger with misleading pt totals who has little impact on the game when he isn't scoring.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Stankoven is a fantastic young player. He’s going to be a very good cane for a long time IMO.

he and Jarvis are like unrestrained toddler energy on the ice. I'm looking forward to how he will be able to do when he has a summer and preseason camp under his belt where they are able to really get him embedded into what we are trying to do.

Jankowski has been a great player for us, even beyond the scorching hot shot right now. Having a big body that doesn't get knocked off the puck is something that we don't really have a lot of right now, so its definitely someone who can help us in a 7 game series, and I do hope we can keep him around for a couple more years this summer.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Okay, so Chicago (and therefore Hall) was part of the Rantanen/Necas trade then?

It was a combined transaction but when looking at the return for Necas and Rantanen from either side, Hall played zero part in it and it's stupid to consider Hall "part of the Necas return." Colorado and Chicago did not exchange any pieces in the trade. The Canes gave a 3rd round pick to Chicago for Hall and ~$4.5M cap hit. This really isn't difficult to comprehend. Canes could've easily just gotten Hall from Chicago completely independent of the Necas/Rantanen trade and probably for less than the 3rd with Chicago also giving us the cap space.

 

[thebestnic]

Can't wait for the Hurricanes downfall thread in early may

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Is Rantanen really a better all-around player than Necas at this point? After all that we've seen? Its tough to say....Necas looks outstanding so far in COL. Meanwhile Avs fans have been warning us for the past 2 years that Rantanen had become a passenger with misleading pt totals who has little impact on the game when he isn't scoring.

Necas is incredibly inconsistent. He'll go on a heater where he looks like he's going to lead the league in scoring and then just completely disappears for a month or 2 spiraling into one of the worst players on the ice with the puck on his stick. And there is no real rhyme or reason for when that flip happens, he just kind of flames out

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Can't wait for the Hurricanes downfall thread in early may

Habs fan coming in here like this. Man, the offer sheets really got to you, huh

 

[Hawkaholic]

Only 8 teams make the 2nd round.

Did you know only 4 make the 3rd? Probably not, because you're a Canes fan.

 

[nammerus]

Crazy how a player can be defined as not fitting into a team’s system, and still put up a pt/GP with great analytics.

No wonder the Canes will never win a cup with this current regime.