People owe Eric Tulsky an apology

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Nah he still made a mistake giving away Necas. Partially made up for the mistake by getting assets in the 2nd trade but Necas is too good to let go for a bunch of scraps like that. Oh well, it's one bad move -- there have not been many bad moves at all since Tulsky has had a significant role in the front office so I can't complain about him.
 
2 - Tulsky might know how to work a spreadsheet, but clearly he doesn't know how deals work. If Rantanen was a rental to win a cup - great because it is only gravy if he re-sings. If re-signing him was part of the trade calculus, they're morons for not testing those waters first. The value in the end wasn't bad (Necas + Drury for (2) 1sts + Staknoven and Hall), but not when you're trying to win.
 
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I don't think Necas, Drury and a 2nd for Stankoven, 2 1sts and 2 3rds is all that great of value for Carolina, especially when they're a win-now team.

Just because Carolina didn't like Necas doesn't really make that value great.

You forgot Taylor Hall. He's a significant piece of the return and is probably getting extended.
 
Mark Jankowski:
6 goals in 7 games

Logan Stankoven:
4 points in 7 games

That doesn’t even include two first round picks and two third round picks.

I know I could be celebrating too early, but the crazy amount of hate that Tulsky got for actually rebounding on the bet (Rantanen) is insane. Now, if he packages those picks this summer and gets another piece this trade could age badly for Dallas if Rantanen doesn’t break out next season.
the picks are nice but arent the team trying to win now? This is their window.

I suppose they can use those picks to trade for someone who actually wants to be in Carolina this summer or next trade deadline
 
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the picks are nice but arent the team trying to win now? This is their window.

The organizational philosophy is to continually compile assets in order to stay in the playoff race year over year, rather than go all-in for a window. The rationale being that the odds of winning a Cup during a specific season are very low, so it’s better to buy as many tickets as possible, and also avoid the poisonous effects of bad seasons.

They’ve only been at it for 5 years coming out of a rebuild, so time will tell whether that approach pays off.
 
Becoming a better team immediately is not an easy option when moving a player who won’t re-sign.

The Rantanen trade busted, but it was a clever move to try and make the absolute most of the situation. Down in the 9th, Tulsky took a swing for the fence and ended up sending the ball to foul territory… next swing he got a double. It’s not ideal but it’s a decent bit of work.

This sums it up perfectly.

I don't blame Tulsky for making a big move for Rantanen. And, unlike most GM's, he didn't double down on the move when it clearly wasn't going to work out. He was pro-active and made another trade to correct the situation. Both those moves take guts. And I would prefer a GM with guts.

The team's chances were hurt this season. And that's a shame. But they're better off than if they just watched Necas walk after this season, and for a while there it looked like they might have landed a franchise altering forward. That's a risk worth taking.
 
Becoming a better team immediately is not an easy option when moving a player who won’t re-sign.

The Rantanen trade busted, but it was a clever move to try and make the absolute most of the situation. Down in the 9th, Tulsky took a swing for the fence and ended up sending the ball to foul territory… next swing he got a double. It’s not ideal but it’s a decent bit of work.

Not sure I love the analogy. I think it’s more like down 2 in the 9th with the runners on the corners and 1 out with the wind blowing in from the left he took a swing for the fences and started watching it before realizing the wind was gonna keep it in the park. Ball gets caught and runner from 3rd tags up and scores, but now you’re left with one on and two outs.

Not catastrophic and salvaged something, but overall not really better off than you were before the at bat.
 
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I don't think the team's chances were any worse before the trade than they are now. Necas was obviously a talented player, but it was equally obvious that he wasn't a good fit for the team. Rod's system requires all the players to be "pulling on the same rope". When that happens, they're very successful (as evidence by his coaching record). When they don't, it all falls apart.

Necas was a very talented, but very individualistic player. He requires a much more high flying, free flowing system like Colorado's to really shine. And it's no surprise to Canes fans that he's thriving there. But in Carolina, that kind of play often led to needless turnovers and lost coverage.

Stankoven and Jankowski appear to be a much better fit for Rod's system, and the team has really clicked since making that trade. The Canes were basically a .500 team since November until the deadline, then the deadline passes and they've won 9 of their last 10.
 
I’m a big Necas fan so this was my frustration too. I saw both sides. Necas doesn’t take care of the puck well, he’s been horrible at it most of his career. Ironically he’s doing better this year but by the time we got here the bridge was burnt. He makes loose decisions with the puck and he’s not strong on it when he has to fight for it. He was never going to play center for RBA.

A lot happened this summer which is why they were dead set on trading him. He came off last season like it was over, he and his gf said goodbye to the area publicly, his father and Canes management got into a public spat with the Canes side essentially laughing at his Dad in a press conference (I thought that was petty and useless) and it seemed obvious he wanted out for the seemingly obvious reasons of not fitting in and wanting more responsibility. RBA wasn’t giving it to him. They traded him to CBus for the 4th pick but Necas didn’t want to long term extension there so it fell apart. He signed short term for not outrageous money so he could be easily moved. They gave him more playing time and he ran with it this year but the decisions had been made from both sides it seemed.

There’s an upside and downside to RBA. He’s a great coach, there’s no question. Adding skill to his team is tricky, it’s not easy for a player to be good for the system and also offensive minded all the time. Guentzel fit in great. Necas always struggled and Rants wasn’t interested.

Jankowsky is a good fourth line center for the Canes, no one is expecting him to provide any consistent offense. The heater is weird but fun.
Apologies in advance for the lengthy post. TLDR version, Tulsky got a great return in the Rants trade especially given the situation. Canes dodged a bullet

You bring up an interesting point about adding skill. I’m an Avs fan and don’t know much about the Canes as I never get to watch them. First off, congrats to your organization for getting a great return on Rants. I wasn’t quite sure how to bring this up on the Avs forum but you think about the systems teams use and how players and their particular skills might fit in it and with other players while trying to maintain an appropriate salary structure, at least for the Avs.

I wasn’t quite sure looking at the Avs acquisition of D man Lindgren who I didn’t want before he was traded because of the issue of his poor play for the Rags. He looks great on the ice now and fits in very well in the Avs defensive scheme. Which also emphasizes the point about appropriate placement on the team. He struggled as a first pairing D man for the Rags but excels as a second/third pairing D man.

This brings to mind the situation either Rants and Jankowski. Fit. Who gives a 💩how skilled a player is unless they fit your system. From what I read about the Canes system under RBA is that you have a highly disciplined team and style of play that limits on ice time. In Rants case, that’s not a fit. But Jankowski is a great fit on the Canes and is excelling in the opportunity that he has been given. Canes are lucky to have him and for so cheap. That brings up a player’s value relative to their expected level of contribution.

My understanding is that Jankowski solidifies your fourth line. IMO, how you fill out your roster is just as important as having skilled players. Teams need to roll 4 effective lines to excel in the POs. So kudos to the Canes and Tulsky.

In Rants case, he has elite skills which everyone acknowledges. But I enjoy reading comments about players from fans of their team/former team. They tend to give you an unvarnished insight into the player. Rants has been criticized for his unmotivated play and his failure to drive play. What has been striking to me is how difficult it has been to pair Rants with a C that can allow him to flourish. This has especially been the case with the Stars. In retrospect, I can certainly understand why GM’s want an elite player like Rants but it isn’t a magic bullet to your team’s scoring ills. I don’t think you should automatically assume an elite player is suddenly going to go off once they’ve been traded. It makes me wonder how much their skills are either suppressed or allowed to flourish under their team’s system. I think Rants’ production was as much due to Bednar’s system as playing with Mack.

Now Rants is struggling to fit in with the Stars. He isn’t doing well with Hintz although the Stars coaches have kept him on the first line. I’m sure Rants will eventually get it going in Dallas. But Stars fans are talking about playing him with Duchene or Johnston for chemistry’s sake. So second or third lines? Is that an appropriate placement for Rants? At $12M I say no but who cares if he turns into a scoring machine. But what about the Stars salary structure? If Rants meshes with Duchene then great for the Stars. But Duchene is on a 1 year $3M contract. Rants is signed for 8 years. And given the number of teams looking for a 2C, I’m guessing Duchene’s value will rise.

Canes did great.
 
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I don't think there are "apologies" in Tulsky's case. It was a colossal fudge up and he was able to do a 180 that seems to have worked out well enough. He gave up significant players in both trades. Granted one he got back was Rantanen but without a guarantee that he'd resign, that was as responsible has handling nuclear waste in your speedo.
 

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