Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

[Gurglesons]

I think if you are trading with St Louis you are taking one of Krug or Leddy back for Graves.

 

[Pancakes]

Ah, I must've confused this year and last years speed information.

Probably didn't help that Dubas' off season plan involved bringing in a bunch of guys who are pretty slow. I took a quick look at Smith, Acciari, Eller, and Graves and they all didn't rate very high on speed metrics.

Karlsson did.

I think all of this pretty well matches the eye test.

I also do think @BlindWillyMcHurt is right that the system doesn't exactly lend itself to showing skating legs either. Everything we do is deliberate and plodding.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

In a vacuum, I like Graves for Saad.

But as has already been mentioned, we already have Rust, Rakell, Bunting, and Smith as middle-six wingers making roughly $5M. Can't keep collecting these types of players.

 

[Rudy Russo]

I think if you are trading with St Louis you are taking one of Krug or Leddy back for Graves.

Which player would you prefer from the Blues?

 

[Rudy Russo]

I blame Jarry.

Jarry has more goals than Harkins this season!

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Which metrics are you looking at? NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Teams has us below 50th percentile in team speed.

Looking at those charts, I noticed something about the shot charts.

Even though we rank high in high danger chances, I think it's misleading because most of those seem to be attempted tips/deflections from point shots. I don't think there's a whole lot of "shots" in that bunch.

The reason I say that is if you look at the mid-range shot totals, you see the Pens are below 50% percentile because we don't generate enough shots in that deep slot/top of the faceoff dot area.

That seems to track with Sullivan's offensive approach. A bunch of long-range shots that either get tipped/deflected or that just go directly at the goalie.

 

[Rudy Russo]

It will be interesting to see what they do this off-season. I'm curious on how they view DOC. I think he's a 3LW but at the same time, he needs good linemates to be effective. If they don't want to beef up the 3rd line...I don't know where he fits other than to merely exist on the left side.

DOC or Poulin with Ponomaryov and Puustinen next season.

 

[SEALBound]

DOC or Poulin with Ponomaryov and Puustinen next season.

I'd be down for that as a third line. Run Nieto/Acciari-Eller-Puljujarvi as the 4th.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

In a vacuum, I like Graves for Saad.

But as has already been mentioned, we already have Rust, Rakell, Bunting, and Smith as middle-six wingers making roughly $5M. Can't keep collecting these types of players.

I figure we'd be trading Smith away if this was a move we'd make.

I was just searching for contract movement.

Between Leddy and Krug. I think I'd want Leddy but honestly I don't want either.

 

[Rudy Russo]

I'd be down for that as a third line. Run Nieto/Acciari-Eller-Puljujarvi as the 4th.

Dump Nieto and re-sign Bemstrom as the 13 forward. I'm down with Acciari-Eller-Puljujarvi as the pens fourth line next season. No Carter or Harkins!

 

[Gurglesons]

Which player would you prefer from the Blues?

Neither.

 

[SEALBound]

Dump Nieto and re-sign Bemstrom as the 13 forward. I'm down with Acciari-Eller-Puljujarvi as the pens fourth line next season. No Carter or Harkins!

Better yet, dump Nieti AND Acciari and run: Poulin-Eller-Puljujarvi as the 4th line. DOC-Pono-Puusty as the third.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I would like to proclaim the whole “we just need a team of Dupuis and Kunitz” mediocre middle 6 guy-experiment dead.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Better yet, dump Nieti AND Acciari and run: Poulin-Eller-Puljujarvi as the 4th line. DOC-Pono-Puusty as the third.

And Bemstrom as 13th.

That's six players 25 and under in the bottom-six. And four of those are European.

Sully would have an aneurysm.

 

[pensfan71]

Thoughts on Daniil Misyul from the Devils?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I would like to proclaim the whole “we just need a team of Dupuis and Kunitz” mediocre middle 6 guy-experiment dead.

But if we don't saddle Crosby and Malkin with mediocre wingers, we won't be able to blame them for not carrying the team.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I also think that bringing in an expensive Norris trophy winning defensman shouldn’t mean teaching him to play like Chad Ruhwedel so what do I know?

 

[DrDangles]

How much are we retaining on Jarry to get anything of decent value back in a trade?

Trade Jarry, re-sign Ned for 2-3 years @2.5M, sign MAF for a 1 year retirement tour and start shuffling Blomqvist in.

...profit?

 

[BusinessGoose]

You'd be lucky to get rid of Jarry, you get no value back

 

[Andy99]

You'd be lucky to get rid of Jarry, you get no value back

Who cares about the return…just getting rid of that contract is a win…and we can’t retain on it

 

[BusinessGoose]

Who cares about the return…just getting rid of that contract is a win…and we can’t retain on it

I mean the guy tested FA and stayed

I'm betting no other team wanted to pay him $5+

So you're retaining, which is an instant negative value (plus we don't have a spot, right?)

It was a stupid contract from day 1

Best player available my ass. Total albatross. FIVE years? I mean, even if he was the only option... FIVE?

Ahhh the memories Confirmed with Link: - Pens sign Tristan Jarry : 5.375 x 5

@BusinessGoose
For over $5mil a year, this dude better play well over .900 for 65 games

Check back next April to see what he did

He did 50 games at .903

So i guess he almost proved me wrong

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I know this is not a sexy move but it is a cap move.

I suggested Blues trade of Saad 32 2 years left at 4.5 million. Scores 20 goals around the net.

For...

Ryan Graves 4.5 million for 5 years.

They need a LD.

What yall think?

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Saad isn't what he was, but not having Graves on the team is addition by subtraction

 

[BusinessGoose]

Is there legit rumblings that STL is entertaining Saad trade? Thought they really liked him

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I think I agree with this in theory...but then I think back to stuff like Pyatt-Geno-Neal and get iffy. I'd be fine with a 2nd line of Bunting-Geno-Rakell. I think that works well enough for our purposes, assuming you get the 1LW that gets Sid's like back to Jake-Sid-Rust levels. The real key is getting the third line to a level where it's capable of actually providing some offense (again, abandoning the 2 scoring and 2 defense lines model).

People will laugh at this, but Zucker (or someone similar) on this team would be a good get. Would give Geno and Sid each a guy to dig the pucks out of corners. That's what I wanted for the past 2-3 years as they've aged. Stop making Sid/Geno do all the grunt work that's best served like dudes such as DOC, Bunting, Zucker, etc. Rust/Rak/Smith aren't going in the corners...

 

[Andy99]

I mean the guy tested FA and stayed

I'm betting no other team wanted to pay him $5+

So you're retaining, which is an instant negative value (plus we don't have a spot, right?)

It was a stupid contract from day 1

Best player available my ass. Total albatross. FIVE years? I mean, even if he was the only option... FIVE?

Ahhh the memories Confirmed with Link: - Pens sign Tristan Jarry : 5.375 x 5




He did 50 games at .903

So i guess he almost proved me wrong

Yeah, I’d rather take another contract back than retain