Proposal: Pens and Rangers
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JT Kreider
FIRE GORDIE CLARK
Honour Over Glory
#firesully
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Hayes is coming off a pretty poor year so NYR probably wont get the value they feel he is worth. Miller is the opposite and coming off a very good year and is definitely worth way more than Pouliot at the moment
The other issue is Pouliot hasnt quite established himself on the NHL level yet and could very well still fizzle out
You have Pouliot who has only played 56 NHL games vs Hayes (158 nhl games) and Miller (196 nhl games)
Even though Pouliot is worth more than Hayes (at the moment), NYR still shouldnt make that trade until they see more from Pouliot and see how Hayes rebounds after a sophomore slump
PIT definitely adds to Pouliot for Miller IMO.
NYR probably has a small add to Hayes for Pouliot if they do it before Hayes plays his next game
leaflover
Stanley Cup 2022
I would do Pouliot for Hayes straight up, I think he could help us out greatly. What/how much does Pitt have to add for Miller? Picks or players?
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Miller is too young for us to trade for picks. He's been trending upward. It would take a player we feel would help us a lot more than Miller. Rangers would want somebody better, which kinda' defeats the purpose of penguins trading for him. I think if Miller goes, he's apart of a package bringing in a better player, not for quantity pieces coming back.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
I agree. It was hard to watch him in the playoffs absolutely dismantle us. For Hayes, it is pretty decent value. No way Kreider or Miller go to Pitt with Pouliot being the centerpiece of a deal.
Kreider not going.
Rare almost complete agree, except I think NY could do Pouiliot if we could agree on the currency - though that likely is a tall order
Would be great if it were something like Staal +Zuc for Puiliot and correct add
I doubt Rutherford would move Pouliot for Hayes and I doubt NY would consider moving Miller/Kreider for him. I almost wonder if Buchnevich or Kovac is a more realistic target for DP.
DP is in an unfortunate spot. Despite what some Ranger fans have alluded to, when he's played up, he's played very well and has easily shown that he can play at this level. He didn't play himself out of a spot last spring so much as Rutherford acquiring Schultz and instantly giving JS Pouliot's spot. JS played very well, and that was the end of the line for DP. The same goes for JS resigning. That spot would have been DPs no questions asked... instead he's going to have to fight for every minute he gets. Not the end of the world, but due to how our D is made up, and how Sully/JR like RHD playing their side, it doesn't look good for DP.
A team that might actually be a valid destination would be New Jersey. Both because of their D and because of Shero. I'm just not sure what they have that they'd give up that makes sense for PIT.
DP is in an unfortunate spot. Despite what some Ranger fans have alluded to, when he's played up, he's played very well and has easily shown that he can play at this level. He didn't play himself out of a spot last spring so much as Rutherford acquiring Schultz and instantly giving JS Pouliot's spot. JS played very well, and that was the end of the line for DP. The same goes for JS resigning. That spot would have been DPs no questions asked... instead he's going to have to fight for every minute he gets. Not the end of the world, but due to how our D is made up, and how Sully/JR like RHD playing their side, it doesn't look good for DP.
A team that might actually be a valid destination would be New Jersey. Both because of their D and because of Shero. I'm just not sure what they have that they'd give up that makes sense for PIT.
MarkMessyay11
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As a Rangers fan, I wouldn't do this deal. Definitely not for JT Miller, and Hayes I think will have a rebound season...he's got too much size and potential to fade away after 2 seasons.
And it's nothing against Pouliot, who I'm sure is a fine player. But unless we find a way to move another defenseman out, it will just create an unnecessary logjam back there.
And it's nothing against Pouliot, who I'm sure is a fine player. But unless we find a way to move another defenseman out, it will just create an unnecessary logjam back there.
MarkMessyay11
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Sorry - I forgot how over-hyped prospects who haven't played NHL games are on HF. My bad.
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Technically, would cost us Maatta or Dumoulin...but even then...I guess maybe if we added a pick or two.
I would honestly rather keep Pouliot. We know we have something. Worst case, he's a solid bottom pairing PMD. Best case, top pairing PMD - PPQB. Likely, second pairing PMD, 1st/2nd PPQB.
Worst things to have.
MarkMessyay11
Registered User
I didn't ridicule your proposal like most would...you asked and I answered, that's it. I forgot how over-sensitive HF posters are who don't properly value players in trades.
I'm not even going to address the Rangers absolute need to keep Buchnevich. And while Kovacs isn't a deal breaker, there's no point in moving him right now unless he's included in a package to acquire a piece we really need.
RangerGuru
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When you have literally the worst farm in the league, you might want to hang onto the few guys who actually have top 6 potential... Buchnevich for one should not be dealt at all, period
TheTakedown
Puck is Life
- Jul 11, 2012
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I don't think the Rangers would ever Trade Buchnevich--and rightfully so. He's our best prospect that hasn't yet played in the NHL. Adding Zibby did make us younger, but Buch could still be better.
I'd do Hayes for Pouliot. Unfortunately I think we need a RHD--that's really our weakness right now. The LHD is pretty logjammed:
McDonagh
Staal
Holden
Skjei
Graves
Granted I think Staal is moved soon but you never know.
I'd do Hayes for Pouliot. Unfortunately I think we need a RHD--that's really our weakness right now. The LHD is pretty logjammed:
McDonagh
Staal
Holden
Skjei
Graves
Granted I think Staal is moved soon but you never know.
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
No, You should be sorry for getting your panties in a twist because you didn't like the answer you got.
Would you trade a top prospect for a player in Pouliot's situation? I wouldn't and I don't think you would.
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
Technically, would cost us Maatta or Dumoulin...but even then...I guess maybe if we added a pick or two.
I would honestly rather keep Pouliot. We know we have something. Worst case, he's a solid bottom pairing PMD. Best case, top pairing PMD - PPQB. Likely, second pairing PMD, 1st/2nd PPQB.
Worst things to have.
Sounds good. We'll keep our overhyped prospects and you can keep your middling player who you can write a world of excuses for as to why he hasn't stuck in what really isn't a deep defense.
Ogelthorpe
Who do you play for?
- Jul 21, 2010
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Not so much stuck, but rather is the guy who can not be lost by being sent down. Plus, let's not forget that A few years ago, Schultz was what Vessey is this off season.
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