Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Empoleon8771]

He has 5 EV and 2 SH goals, wth you smoking? Where do you get 3 5v5 points?
The only thing off about his production is his assist tally. Only 1 lone assist on the season for some reason. His goals per game is right in line with his career average albeit slightly lower than last season's.

From NaturalStatTrick. EV points and 5v5 points aren't the same, Kreider probably has 2 3v3 points from OT to bring him to 5 EV points.

He only has 2 goals and an assist at 5v5 this year.

 

[Turin]

Dumb as hell but expected

 

[DesertedPenguin]

From an asset management standpoint, the Puljujarvi move makes sense if he's not going to get ice time in Pittsburgh.

The Pens are winning, so it's unlikely there will be much lineup tinkering. You also have Hayes as the 13th forward.

Poulin and Puustinen are both hurt in WBS. If Puljujarvi slides through waivers, he could go and give WBS a veteran top six presence while getting some needed game action.

He could get claimed, but I don't think it's a guarantee he does.

 

[Ulf5]

Puljujarvi waived

Feel like he’ll he claimed, no?

I feel 100%, warts and all. Especially with a completely buriable cap hit. Rather I should say a cap any team can take on.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Puljujarvi was such a weird situation. Dude played the exact brand of Sullivan hockey you think he'd want--strong along the boards, smart, defensively solid--and he had the skill to chip in offensively to boot. Nothing huge, but better than a lot of the shit we've seen on this team for years.

People floated a rumor that he was being held out to try not to overwork him and all that after his serious hip surgeries. Guess that was bullshit.

 

[Darren McCord]

From an asset management standpoint, the Puljujarvi move makes sense if he's not going to get ice time in Pittsburgh.

The Pens are winning, so it's unlikely there will be much lineup tinkering. You also have Hayes as the 13th forward.

Poulin and Puustinen are both hurt in WBS. If Puljujarvi slides through waivers, he could go and give WBS a veteran top six presence while getting some needed game action.

He could get claimed, but I don't think it's a guarantee he does.

No it doesn’t waive nieto he sucks. JP has been much better than Nieto. The only difference is nieto is a Boston boy.

 

[Empoleon8771]

From an asset management standpoint, the Puljujarvi move makes sense if he's not going to get ice time in Pittsburgh.

The Pens are winning, so it's unlikely there will be much lineup tinkering. You also have Hayes as the 13th forward.

Poulin and Puustinen are both hurt in WBS. If Puljujarvi slides through waivers, he could go and give WBS a veteran top six presence while getting some needed game action.

He could get claimed, but I don't think it's a guarantee he does.

I was wondering why they'd be waiving him but this would make sense for why. I noted on the main boards that the Penguins have a bunch of veterans in the AHL right now, but I didn't realize Puustinen was also hurt.

Puljujarvi probably doesn't get claimed but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

 

[Empoleon8771]

No it doesn’t waive nieto he sucks. JP has been much better than Nieto. The only difference is nieto is a Boston boy.

The explanation for why Puljujarvi is being waived (WBS needs some help due to injuries) makes entire sense. Nieto wouldn't be helping WBS's top-6 if they waived him and they're not waiving a guy because they have to waive someone. They're waiving Puljujarvi specifically to go help out WBS's top-6 due to Poulin and Puustinen getting hurt.

 

[Ulf5]

From NaturalStatTrick. EV points and 5v5 points aren't the same, Kreider probably has 2 3v3 points from OT to bring him to 5 EV points.

He only has 2 goals and an assist at 5v5 this year.

Same difference. And doesn't change the fact he's on pace for 28.7 goals this season. Which would've placed him 2nd on the Pens last season. Reading through the main board's Kreider thread, it appears he's been dealing with an apparent back injury. Yet he's still producing the goals. I'm certainly not advocating for Kreider. Just b/t Kreider and Zuck, I take Kreider every time.

 

[Ulf5]

Puljujarvi was such a weird situation. Dude played the exact brand of Sullivan hockey you think he'd want--strong along the boards, smart, defensively solid--and he had the skill to chip in offensively to boot. Nothing huge, but better than a lot of the shit we've seen on this team for years.

People floated a rumor that he was being held out to try not to overwork him and all that after his serious hip surgeries. Guess that was bullshit.

I could see Dubas deciding if Meathead Mike isn't going to play him, might as well see if anyone else will. If not, I can use him in WB as others have mentioned.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

The explanation for why Puljujarvi is being waived (WBS needs some help due to injuries) makes entire sense. Nieto wouldn't be helping WBS's top-6 if they waived him and they're not waiving a guy because they have to waive someone. They're waiving Puljujarvi specifically to go help out WBS's top-6 due to Poulin and Puustinen getting hurt.

Don’t think I’d want to risk putting him waivers though.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Same difference. And doesn't change the fact he's on pace for 28.7 goals this season. Which would've placed him 2nd on the Pens last season. Reading through the main board's Kreider thread, it appears he's been dealing with an apparent back injury. Yet he's still producing the goals. I'm certainly not advocating for Kreider. Just b/t Kreider and Zuck, I take Kreider every time.

No those are absolutely not the "same difference". Kreider's 5v5 production is heinously bad this year. Relying on him to maintain his special teams/OT goal production rate is a foolish gamble.

I don't know that he's for sure washed, but he's been horrendous at 5v5 this year which is where a huge majority of the game is being played.

 

[Darren McCord]

The explanation for why Puljujarvi is being waived (WBS needs some help due to injuries) makes entire sense. Nieto wouldn't be helping WBS's top-6 if they waived him and they're not waiving a guy because they have to waive someone. They're waiving Puljujarvi specifically to go help out WBS's top-6 due to Poulin and Puustinen getting hurt.

Why wouldn’t Nieto help there top 6?

JP has been one of the best scorers in the bottom 6 when in. He has arguably been better than DOC too.

Also why does Wbs need help? They put up 7 goals without puustinen or poulin.

It’s just making excuses for stupid player management.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Don’t think I’d want to risk putting him waivers though.

I don't think it's impossible but I'd bet against Puljujarvi getting claimed tbh

 

[Empoleon8771]

Why wouldn’t Nieto help there top 6?

For the same reason you want him waived? Nieto sucks, he shouldn't be in the NHL period. That said, he's not a guy that is going to go to the AHL to fill an injury replacement role for Poulin or Puustinen in an offensive role. Just like Puustinen isn't going to come up and replace Nieto's defensive role on a 4th line.

Nieto sucks and I don't want him in the NHL anymore, but he's going directly to WBS's 4th line if/when they'd waive him. He's not solving anything for a team looking for an offensive top-6er. Puljujarvi does do that though.

JP has been one of the best scorers in the bottom 6 when in. He has arguably been better than DOC too.

Also why does Wbs need help? They put up 7 goals without puustinen or poulin.

It’s just making excuses for stupid player management.

Because WBS is also a part of the Penguins organization and Dubas has made an explicit focus on making WBS as good as possible to foster better development for their young players.

 

[Darren McCord]

For the same reason you want him waived? Nieto sucks, he shouldn't be in the NHL period. That said, he's not a guy that is going to go to the AHL to fill an injury replacement role for Poulin or Puustinen in an offensive role. Just like Puustinen isn't going to come up and replace Nieto's defensive role on a 4th line.



Because WBS is also a part of the Penguins organization and Dubas has made an explicit focus on making WBS as good as possible to foster better development for their young players.

Again excuses. Wbs has won 3 of the last four without those 2 players. Broz, Pono and even McG are starting to pick up pace. Let them go.

if you lose JP then it’s bad management for no reason.

Wbs doesn’t even play until Friday. Why waived him now?

It’s just stupid move and most likely because Sullivan refuses to play him so Dubas is just doing him a solids

 

[AuroraBorealis]

In these situations I just remind myself that they aren't one bottom-sixer away from winning a series.
But they could be one away from making the playoffs. Sucks, but in the end it'd only extend their life by 2 weeks, best case scenario.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Again excuses. Wbs has won 3 of the last four without those 2 players. Broz, Pono and even McG are starting to pick up pace. Let them go.

if you lose JP then it’s bad management for no reason.

Wbs doesn’t even play until Friday. Why waived him now?

It’s just stupid move and most likely because Sullivan refuses to play him so Dubas is just doing him a solids

WBS has been shut out 3 times in the last 7 games and scored 1 goal in another of those 7 games.

None of these are "excuses", it explains what role they see Puljujarvi filling and why they're making the moves they're making. Waiving Puljujarvi for no reason just to "do him a solid" is an idiotic suggestion. They don't need a roster spot for anyone to fill (unless there is a more serious injury that has yet to be reported), so sending him down to help out the AHL team makes complete sense for why they're waiving him.

 

[Darren McCord]

WBS has been shut out 3 times in the last 7 games and scored 1 goal in another of those 7 games.

None of these are "excuses", it explains what role they see Puljujarvi filling and why they're making the moves they're making. Waiving Puljujarvi for no reason just to "do him a solid" is an idiotic suggestion. They don't need a roster spot for anyone to fill (unless there is a more serious injury that has yet to be reported), so sending him down to help out the AHL team makes complete sense for why they're waiving him.

And puustinen and poulin played in all of them. Maybe they are better off with what they have now.

And waiving him is doing him a solid so he can play whether in the AHL or by getting him claimed. Dude wants to make a comeback and putting him on the bench is not helping him.

There was no reason not to put him in last night after losing Saturday. Sullivan just doesn’t want to play him. I hope he gets claims and gets to play. He was pacing for 30pts in the bottom 6 and plays solid defense. He will be a good pickup for someone.

 

[wheelz87]

disappointing. Pulu is better than acciari and nieto by far. but the pk has been 'hot' and we've been winning so gotta stay status quo. even though nieto isn't gonna score a goal the entire season.

 

[eXile3]

I definitely see a scenario where we played Puljujarvi and he had some trade value.

Instead he played well so we benched him for months.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Pulju hasn't played since the 7th and has as many points as Glass and Acciari... and is only off the pace of DOC and Beau by a few. This despite top six time for much of that group.

Puju isn't exactly a devastating loss but no matter how you spin it this was a waste and yet another in a long line of botched player assessments by this team.

 

[Darren McCord]

I definitely see a scenario where we played Puljujarvi and he had some trade value.

Instead he played well so we benched him for months.

What’s funny is JP is a month older than DOC but doc is allowed to suck for months and JP can’t get one game in

 

[Empoleon8771]

And puustinen and poulin played in all of them. Maybe they are better off with what they have now.

And waiving him is doing him a solid so he can play whether in the AHL or by getting him claimed. Dude wants to make a comeback and putting him on the bench is not helping him.

They aren't. Trying to argue that WBS is better off without having 2 good AHL players is silly. It's like arguing the Penguins are better off if Rust and Rakell got hurt but still managed to win a game after it.

Pulju hasn't played since the 7th and has as many points as Glass and Acciari... and is only off the pace of DOC and Beau by a few. This despite top six time for much of that group.

Puju isn't exactly a devastating loss but no matter how you spin it this was a waste and yet another in a long line of botched player assessments by this team.

I do think it's questionable why O'Connor has been so untouchable this year while Sullivan was willing to throw Puljujarvi under the bus quickly.

Nieto and Acciari, like okay I can get the "4th line PK" role Sullivan is going for. It's stupid, but I understand it. But O'Connor is actually playing in scoring line roles but isn't producing. The only justification is the PK and playing a guy regularly with Malkin just because he PKs is completely stupid.

 

[Ryder71]

Dumb but whatever.

Does it really matter on a team going nowhere? Not that I don't like JP, I do, but I don't think it moves the needle one way or another. And when such moves do matter that'll be years down the road.