Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

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Like, what is he doing??? Fabbro on waivers who is lost for free to CBJ. Which then allows them [CBJ] to move on from Jiricek for a pretty decent haul.

Then signing Wedgewood which blocked Askarov who then asked to be moved. Askarov brough back an okay return. And he recently traded Wedgewood for what, I think, is a bad return. :laugh:

Not gonna complain about him trading away Glass or Tomasino though.
Dubas should have him on speed dial...
 
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If we look at the top six heading into 2025-26, it could be shaping up OK right now. Let's cross our fingers that Tomasino was that one rare Dubas find. Malkin obviously is going into his final season, so replacing him in two years time is probably the top priority. If Rakell and Crosby stick together, then we are probably looking to add someone for that line. Hoglander is the big hot rumor right now, but I am luke warm on him. I just don't think Sullivan would want both Hoglander and Tomasino in his top six. I could be wrong, but his reputation precedes him. My dream acquisition for line 1 is obviously Marner, and until that situation is resolved I will continue to hold out hope that Dubas can pull it off.

I started thinking about another player to target in the top six. What about Andrei Svechnikov? He is expensive at $7.75 Million/year but his role in Carolina seems to be diminishing. Necas has turned into a superstar this season, and he is going to need a new deal starting next summer. Carolina is reportedly in the goalie market. I wonder if there is a deal to be made with Carolina involving Svechnikov and Jarry? I don't know how many other pieces would need to be added, but Carolina probably does not need futures at this time. And if they want more depth for a long playoff run, we could definitely help them there.

Under this scenario, Rust could either be traded after his NMC ends or be a mentor for someone like McGroarty or maybe Koivunen on the third line. If you want to trade Rust and keep O'Connor instead, fine. But there is no way I am re-signing O'Connor without making other trades to move out other players. O'Connor would definitely be the guy to block McGroarty and/or Koivunen next season, so he is the type of Sullivan player we need to move on from for the benefit of the non-Sullivan guys in the system. My opinion of O'Connor going into this season was completely different but now I see him more as a cheap trade chip for contending teams who see him as a fourth liner. That is what he is, imo.


Regarding Graves vs. Pettersson, I think this is definitely something that Sullivan is screwing up right now. We are giving Grz so much ice time right now, so if that was for the purpose of flipping him then great! But with this Mass. mafia in place, Grz is far more likely to sign a five-year extension than be a deadline trade casualty at this point. Giving Pickering minutes is also good, because he is clearly one of our six best defensemen right now. He has brought some stability. Shea is whatever. He has a good game now and then, but that is usually when he is on the left side. On the right, he is a train wreck. And St. Ivany is a solid No. 7. Where does this leave Graves?

If we trade Pettersson, Graves would likely get back into the lineup. But that is not a given with 8 defensemen and Graves is clearly No. 8 on Sullivan's depth chart. So what exactly are we doing with Graves here? Not playing him does nothing for his trade value. And if the plan is to keep him as the No. 7, that is a terrible plan.

Could Graves be placed in an O'Connor deal for almost nothing in return? What about our boy Puljujarvi? Does he have any value? I would want to keep him but I also realize he is not Sullivan's cup of tea, clearly!
I might be crazy, or just a Broz fanboy lol, but I think he’ll be our 2C next season…I’d love to see this, depending on where we pick in the 2025 draft…

Malkin-Sid-Rust/Rakell
Koivunen-Broz-Tomasino
 

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Here's what Sullivan had to say about Nieto
Instead of getting really good puck pursuit guys, maybe Sullivan should try out a puck possession game???

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Graves says the reason he's scratched is he's too soft around the net and that he can't work on it, because he doesn't want to hurt his teammates in practice. That should be the green light to send him to the AHL for a conditioning stint to learn how to throw his weight around. Otherwise, it's clear that he's not going to play better any time soon.
 

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Goddamn, Graves has a 12 Team NTC. Though, him not getting in games here likely means he's more open to moving on.
Clearly it hasn't been a good fit for him here. I don't think that goes unnoticed by both him and Dubas. I would suggest it's likely he would be open to moving to a team that is better suited for him. Makes me wonder if there's a team out there with another player (fwd or dman) in a similar position with a similar contract?

I'm tempted to point out Pierre Engvall but I'm not sure I would do that trade unless we could send them like Hayes as well.
 

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Graves says the reason he's scratched is he's too soft around the net

When in his career has Graves ever NOT been soft?

If that's Sully's excuse for scratching Graves then Sully is (once again) an idiot. This is the same coach who just last season thought that a totally weak and clueless AHL-caliber defenseman (POJ) was worthy of being on the number ONE pairing. And who still thinks that a more experienced and less clueless but just as weak version of POJ is also a #1 D (Gryz) now.

If being soft gets you scratched on this team, the Pens would have to forfeit every game due to a lack of available players.
 

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When in his career has Graves ever NOT been soft?

If that's Sully's excuse for scratching Graves then Sully is (once again) an idiot. This is the same coach who just last season thought that a totally weak and clueless AHL-caliber defenseman (POJ) was worthy of being on the number ONE pairing. And who still thinks that a more experienced and less clueless but just as weak version of POJ is also a #1 D (Gryz) now.

If being soft gets you scratched on this team, the Pens would have to forfeit every game due to a lack of available players.
Ahh, but Grzelcyk is from Boston, there for you must multiply his perceived toughness by 10.
 
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I might be crazy, or just a Broz fanboy lol, but I think he’ll be our 2C next season…I’d love to see this, depending on where we pick in the 2025 draft…

Malkin-Sid-Rust/Rakell
Koivunen-Broz-Tomasino
Broz is low priority since he was drafted previously, need to bring up and try guys from his trades first
 
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He’s being groomed as a center in the Pens organization…we’ll see…



DOC was a center almost exclusively in the AHL.

Love Jesse but I'm skeptical a 20 year old defenseman with 1 assist in 20 career games in the AHL has "nothing left to learn in the AHL".

I think the concept is that he's not going to be an offensive player, he's not going to suddenly improve his physical abilities, so playing against NHL talent is probably better for his progression as a player versus going down to the AHL and playing lesser talent.
 
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I think the concept is that he's not going to be an offensive player, he's not going to suddenly improve his physical abilities, so playing against NHL talent is probably better for his progression as a player versus going down to the AHL and playing lesser talent.
It would be nice if he developed at least somewhat of an offensive game. If we use Dumo as a comp for Pickering then we can see that Dumo at least put up a little bit of offense in his minutes.

Pickering turning into a #3-4 dman who can put up like 20-30 points a year with a steady defensive game would be pretty nice. I think he has the tools to do that.

I'm not sure he needs to be in the AHL to learn that though. My only thing with Pickering is whether he's in the AHL or the NHL he needs to be playing. If Sullivan stops thinking that he's one of the Pens best 6 dmen then send him down immediately. Don't waste him in the press box.
 

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It would be nice if he developed at least somewhat of an offensive game. If we use Dumo as a comp for Pickering then we can see that Dumo at least put up a little bit of offense in his minutes.

Pickering turning into a #3-4 dman who can put up like 20-30 points a year with a steady defensive game would be pretty nice. I think he has the tools to do that.

I'm not sure he needs to be in the AHL to learn that though. My only thing with Pickering is whether he's in the AHL or the NHL he needs to be playing. If Sullivan stops thinking that he's one of the Pens best 6 dmen then send him down immediately. Don't waste him in the press box.

I don't see the offensive game in him at all.
 

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It would be nice if he developed at least somewhat of an offensive game. If we use Dumo as a comp for Pickering then we can see that Dumo at least put up a little bit of offense in his minutes.

Pickering turning into a #3-4 dman who can put up like 20-30 points a year with a steady defensive game would be pretty nice. I think he has the tools to do that.

I'm not sure he needs to be in the AHL to learn that though. My only thing with Pickering is whether he's in the AHL or the NHL he needs to be playing. If Sullivan stops thinking that he's one of the Pens best 6 dmen then send him down immediately. Don't waste him in the press box.

I am tentatively in agreement. For a forward, the case for them being in the AHL getting lots of touches playing with skilled linemates being a focal decision maker vs being in the NHL getting turboblasted by goons is a good one (although we have seen grinders work their way up into being productive forwards).

For a dman, it seems less of a thing.

It seems to me that the big two things for young dmen are being able to live with NHL forwards mentally and physically, and making non-lethal decisions on breakouts. If you can do those two things, then you can stick on the ice long enough to figure out how to be even better than that. If Pickering's got there - and it kind of looks like he has - then I buy the case for thinking he's graduated.
 

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