Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Also I mean... c'mon... how disappointed can we REALLY be about not getting like... Hoglander and a 4th back?



Well if their current meltdown wasn't enough to do them in then paying a f***ing goaltender like 12M a year for the next decade will sure do the trick.

Yeah man that team's f***ed. Between the age of their big guys (who have never really done anything to begin with), their ownership/FO/coaching dysfunction, their shit prospect pipeline, and now paying Shesterkin $12M AAV. Yeesh.

I mean, shit sucks here in Pittsburgh but at least we got some fun memories and Cup experiences out of the era.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yeah man that team's f***ed. Between the age of their big guys (who have never really done anything to begin with), their ownership/FO/coaching dysfunction, their shit prospect pipeline, and now paying Shesterkin $12M AAV. Yeesh.

I mean, shit sucks here in Pittsburgh but at least we got some fun memories and Cup experiences out of the era.

I often think of that jackass NYR series and what could have been with some better decisions and a goaltending depth chart that hasn't been whittled down to whatshisname... Spicy Pork.

But then I see the way things turned out for the Rangers in general and Trouba in particular and I just shrug.

 

[molon labe]

Unless JR doesn't care about waiting a couple weeks after Christmas to get him. I guess in Petts case, there is gonna be less feeling out since mgmt knows him. But it just seems less likely, and it seems like they're targeting a more offensively inclined dman from what their radio guys are saying.

JR is one of the few who actually make moves early. HUGE part of the cup runs.

The idiocy of waiting to the deadline always astonished me. If there were a bidding war on Jake last year before Christmas, the gaining team would have had him in his current form - well adjusted....and Jake's one of the few cases who was pretty good after the move. Most teams get a player who's ill-adjusted to the system who barely make an impact.

And Petts getting hurt is just another example of why you shouldn't just sit on something. Everyone will forget and argue how sitting on him until the deadline is shrewd because the exact same package he gets then is just as good as today.... meanwhile early birds tend to get lucky more than those who wait.

Another infuriating thing about these past two front offices. This whole wait around and watch the ship burn. Clearly they're not good enough. I mean, it's been clear for years - but...let's wait 3 more months shall we?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

No team loves to wait way too long to make a decision like this team, man. They'll bury their head in the sand and wait over trying to be proactive and taking risks, 11 times out of 10.

One of many annoying things about this organization.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Will Borgen a third and a sixth for Kakko?

Um... OK. What's a Will Borgen?

 

[Gurglesons]

Will Borgen a third and a sixth for Kakko?

Um... OK. What's a Will Borgen?

Solid RHD for Seattle.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Solid RHD for Seattle.

Is he? It's obvious I pay no attention to that side of the league.

27 years old, 30ish point guy with a 2.7M dollar deal until next season looks like? I don't think much of Kakko honestly so maybe that's about right.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

I often think of that jackass NYR series and what could have been with some better decisions and a goaltending depth chart that hasn't been whittled down to whatshisname... Spicy Pork.

But then I see the way things turned out for the Rangers in general and Trouba in particular and I just shrug.

I mean, I feel like once you get down to most teams third string goaltender, they’re going to be about the quality of Spicy Pork. Some teams are an exception but not many.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I mean, I feel like once you get down to most teams third string goaltender, they’re going to be about the quality of Spicy Pork. Some teams are an exception but not many.

Honestly it wasn't really a critique of the team at the time. I agree that it's an incredibly stupid position to throw money at. It's just unfortunate that they just happened at that particular time to be utterly devastated all the way down to like the ECHL level in re: to goaltending.

 

[Gurglesons]

Is he? It's obvious I pay no attention to that side of the league.

27 years old, 30ish point guy with a 2.7M dollar deal until next season looks like? I don't think much of Kakko honestly so maybe that's about right.

I assume Borgen would've returned a 2nd at the deadline. So they got a 2nd, 3rd and 6th for Kakko. That's about expected. Similar deal to what Toffoli got at the deadline last year and Kakko is essentially a UFA with him only having one remaining RFA year.

Borgen fits what they need on RHD. They probably re-sign him or trade him at the deadline if they suck.

 

[Pancakes]

Too bad Dubas couldn't beat that. The Rangers probably wouldn't have wanted to trade him in division anyways.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I doubt the Rangers wanted to risk the egg on their face if Kakko reached his potential here (lol, under Sully? lmao) but I find it hilarious that the Rangers decided Kakko was the first domino to fall. Not Lavvy, not Drury, not anybody like Kreider or Zibanejad or whoever else.

 

[Gurglesons]

Too bad Dubas couldn't beat that. The Rangers probably wouldn't have wanted to trade him in division anyways.

You'd essentially be moving them MP28 and something for him.

I don't think that makes any sense for us.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I doubt the Rangers wanted to risk the egg on their face if Kakko reached his potential here (lol, under Sully? lmao) but I find it hilarious that the Rangers decided Kakko was the first domino to fall. Not Lavvy, not Drury, not anybody like Kreider or Zibanejad or whoever else.

Well Kakko got a little irritated about being a HS while the rest of his team was out there every night getting embarrassed and the captain had just been put on waivers because he was THAT toxic of an asset. So that made it easy.

You don't push back against troglodyte NHL coaching/management if you want to play.

 

[Pancakes]

You'd essentially be moving them MP28 and something for him.

I don't think that makes any sense for us.

If the Athletic is correct about MP having first round pick type value then yeah you're probably right. I'd still be surprised if he actually brings that back by the TDL.

And I guess if the Pens keep winning there's a real chance that they hold onto MP instead. But I kinda doubt they keep winning.

 

[Gurglesons]

Well Kakko got a little irritated about being a HS while the rest of his team was out there every night getting embarrassed and the captain had just been put on waivers because he was THAT toxic of an asset. So that made it easy.

You don't push back against troglodyte NHL coaching/management if you want to play.

They probably weren't keeping him after this year.

Honestly makes it even more bizarre they refused to part with him in a Guentzel deal.

 

[Pancakes]

They probably weren't keeping him after this year.

Honestly makes it even more bizarre they refused to part with him in a Guentzel deal.

Yeah I think if NYR offered KK as the centerpiece of a Jake deal that Dubas would have quickly pulled the trigger. KK checks all the boxes of what Dubas was looking for in terms of young player who is already an NHLer and has some pedigree.

Crazy that the Rangers weren't willing to do that when they had cup aspirations last year.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

They probably weren't keeping him after this year.

Honestly makes it even more bizarre they refused to part with him in a Guentzel deal.

I have major doubts that the Rangers were ever going to deal with the Penguins despite whatever else has been said. At least not when it comes to a guy like Kakko who still has that small chance of being a real pain in their ass for another like decade+

But yeah I figure he was gone one way or the other. And honestly who is to blame them? There is fault all around but he's hardly turned out the way they wanted.

 

[Pancakes]

I have major doubts that the Rangers were ever going to deal with the Penguins despite whatever else has been said. At least not when it comes to a guy like Kakko who still has that small chance of being a real pain in their ass for another like decade+

But yeah I figure he was gone one way or the other. And honestly who is to blame them? There is fault all around but he's hardly turned out the way they wanted.

I wonder if that goes both ways. The Pens hate the Rangers and vice versa. Dealing Jake to Carolina who the Pens don't really have a rivalry with was far less a betrayal to Sid than dealing him to the hated Rangers.

Still if I was the Rangers last year I would have pushed Dubas to make it happen. KK might have been enough to overcome any reservations Dubas had about making a deal with NYR.

 

[Turin]

Drury gave him away to his pal Ron I guess. I’m not high on Kakko but he’s more valuable than that lol

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I wonder if that goes both ways. The Pens hate the Rangers and vice versa. Dealing Jake to Carolina who the Pens don't really have a rivalry with was far less a betrayal to Sid than dealing him to the hated Rangers.

Still if I was the Rangers last year I would have pushed Dubas to make it happen. KK might have been enough to overcome any reservations Dubas had about making a deal with NYR.

I think that's a good point, yes.

Honestly I wouldn't have been that wild about a deal centered mostly around Kakko unless there happened to also be a first attached. I just don't think he's that good. I imagine his career trajectory is like... solid NHL third liner who can kick in 40 points in a good year and make his bones shutting opposing forwards down. Not terrible... not something you can't just draft nearly any given year yourself.

He's kinda like... Poolparty redux in some ways. Sure wouldn't hate him on the team for cheap and he could undoubtedly help but also wouldn't give up anything for him, either.

So all that said this deal is honestly about on the money from my POV haha... it looks a little shit on the surface simply because of Kakko's former top pick status but frankly that was years ago now and he just hasn't done much.

 

[Khelandros]

Rust all retired/went on IR. That affords way more flexibility.

 

[Gurglesons]

POJ back to PIT.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

POJ is back.

 

[Gurglesons]

I bet it is for Katchouk.