Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

[Sideline]

Markstrom to NJ. Wonder if something around Jarry to Calgary for Mangi is possible.

I can't see why Calgary would do that.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Markstrom is bringing back a decent depth defenseman and a 1st, you can absolutely move Jarry for positive value without taking back any money. Jarry isn't Markstrom but he's not going to be that much less valuable than Markstrom.

 

[SEALBound]

Pretty good value for Calgary honestly. I assume NJD will run Markstrom-Allen as their duo which is pretty solid. Reminds me of the MAF-Vokoun level pairing.

Just say that Calgary retained 31% of Markstroms contract, so NJ certainly paid a premium. We can't retain on Jarry so I imagine that bumps value down quite a bit. Likely a 2nd or just a Bahl level player.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

If Markstrom is bringing back a decent depth defenseman and a 1st, you can absolutely move Jarry for positive value without taking back any money. Jarry isn't Markstrom but he's not going to be that much less valuable than Markstrom.

I'm guessing Ullmark is next to be moved, then hopefully a few teams are desperate enough to give us a call for Jarry..

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

If Markstrom is bringing back a decent depth defenseman and a 1st, you can absolutely move Jarry for positive value without taking back any money. Jarry isn't Markstrom but he's not going to be that much less valuable than Markstrom.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803466433579372564

Numbers are similar, Jarry is younger and has a lower cap hit. Markstrom has Jarry on playoff series wins and not as many years left on his deal. But it’s not crazy that we could get a similar return.

 

[SEALBound]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803466433579372564

Numbers are similar, Jarry is younger and has a lower cap hit. Markstrom has Jarry on playoff series wins and not as many years left on his deal. But it’s not crazy that we could get a similar return.

1st+Bahl for Markstrom at 69% though. That would be us retaining Jarry down to roughly $4mil. Not the end of the world but we'd need to be getting back a player that justifies it. As is, not sure it's a 1st round pick or Bahl. Holtz, maybe. Mercer, yes.

Still think LA is the destination for Jarry should something happen.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I imagine Columbus would want a younger player so that if Smith leaves in FA at the end of the year or they trade him, they aren't left with nothing. I could see something like Smith+Poulin for Laine+3rd.

Question I would have is, does that take us out of the running for Mangipane and/or Wahlstrom. Wahlstrom is a whatever. That's a Puljujarvi level attempt to see if you can bring a guy back to life. But I would prefer Mangipane over Laine. Unless the Mangipane involves Rakell.

Mangipane-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Laine
DOC-Pono-Wahlmstrom
Puljujarvi-Eller-Acciari

I could come to terms with that.

SEAL, stop peddling our younger players! If the Blue Jackets want Smith, give them Smith!

lol

 

[Turin]

Markstrom is way better than Jarry let’s be reality, good trade for NJ

 

[Gurglesons]

Solid return for Calgary.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think reputation also comes into play a bit here and I think that hurts Jarry. I think looking purely at the numbers, you can make a pretty convincing and clear case that Jarry isn't worse than Markstrom by any tangible amount. But GMs don't make their opinions based purely on results, and I think it's a pretty clear situation where Jarry's reputation is not in line with his overall solid to good results.

Based on that Markstrom trade, my bet for a Jarry trade would be something like a $2.5 million platoon goalie and a 3rd for him. Maybe you can get a 2nd back for him if you push out the pick to 2025 or 2026. And frankly I'd jump at that kind of deal.

 

[Ulf5]

Markstrom had a full NMC so he had to be ok with this trade.

I believe he approved last year and a deal was done but Calgary owners blocked the trade because of the retention.

 

[Tom Hanks]

That’s how to start a rebuild. NJ’s first is top 10 protected but NJ went from almost league worst goaltending to decent so I don’t see it being a top 10 pick anyway.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803467901120258545

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Pretty good value for Calgary honestly. I assume NJD will run Markstrom-Allen as their duo which is pretty solid. Reminds me of the MAF-Vokoun level pairing.

Just say that Calgary retained 31% of Markstroms contract, so NJ certainly paid a premium. We can't retain on Jarry so I imagine that bumps value down quite a bit. Likely a 2nd or just a Bahl level player.

 

[Empoleon8771]

That’s how to start a rebuild. NJ’s first is top 10 protected but NJ went from almost league worst goaltending to decent so I don’t see it being a top 10 pick anyway.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803467901120258545

Honestly this kinda speaks to how much of a failure the Flames have been as a team. They've had talent on the team, but they did absolutely nothing with it.

Markstrom, Tkachuk, Hanifin, Weegar, Huberdeau, Lindholm, Kadri, Gaudreau....they've had some legitimate talent over the last few years. All they had to show for it is 1 series win in 2022.

 

[SEALBound]

That’s how to start a rebuild. NJ’s first is top 10 protected but NJ went from almost league worst goaltending to decent so I don’t see it being a top 10 pick anyway.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803467901120258545

Utah looks even better with 20. Only 3 firsts but they have 10 2nds. Gotta think they use some of that capital to upgrade their current roster after relocating.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Markstrom is marginally better, and that's 1 outlier regular season.

Edit: This just proves how desperate teams are for even moderately good goaltending, and at a premium.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

1st+Bahl for Markstrom at 69% though. That would be us retaining Jarry down to roughly $4mil. Not the end of the world but we'd need to be getting back a player that justifies it. As is, not sure it's a 1st round pick or Bahl. Holtz, maybe. Mercer, yes.

Still think LA is the destination for Jarry should something happen.

Do I?

Do I?

Yes, I do.

Nice.

 

[SEALBound]

Markstrom is marginally better, and that's 1 outlier regular season.

Edit: This just proves how desperate teams are for even moderately good goaltending, and at a premium.

Which, honestly, is a case both FOR and AGAINST trading Jarry.

It's also what makes the initial contract so maddening - "I get it but I f***ING hate it!"

Drafting and signing goalies is going to be an interesting trend to watch over the next couple of years. If there is a potential star goalie in the ranks, I think teams step up to nab them early in drafts knowing how hard they are to find. Having Blomqvist and Murashov in the ranks is nice...hopefully.

 

[66-30-33]

Now that NJ has goaltending they will be leaping us in the standings.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Given how bad our PP was I was surprised to see we had the 4th highest high danger chances for.

BUT were 28th in PP goals (30th in PP%). Tied for 1st in short handed goals against.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Given how bad our PP was I was surprised to see we had the 4th highest high danger chances for.

BUT were 28th in PP goals (30th in PP%). Tied for 1st in short handed goals against.

And they missed the playoffs, you say?

 

[Tom Hanks]

San Jose with a “capfloor” claim

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803489450468819199

We’ll give them Smith!

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803491699840159909

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Thanks for helping the Rangers, Sharks!

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Utah looks even better with 20. Only 3 firsts but they have 10 2nds. Gotta think they use some of that capital to upgrade their current roster after relocating.

Watch that organization become an absolute powerhouse out west after being trash for most of their tenure in AZ.