Proposal: Penguins-Wild
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“Lighting up juniors” is a tale as old as time. Doesn’t really mean much. More often than not that doesn’t transfer to the NHL.
Also want nothing to do with Hartman.
Pass easily
Also want nothing to do with Hartman.
Pass easily
Gurglesons
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Not sure why the Wild would be further diluting their center depth for wing help. Probably the last thing they need to be honestly.
Empoleon8771
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Minnesota's center depth is Rossi, Ek and Gaudreau as their top-9 centers. Hartman appears to have only played center when Ek was injured.
None of Hartman's 3 most common lines this year (Johansson-Rossi-Hartman, Johansson-Ek-Hartman and Foligno-Gaudreau-Hartman) had Hartman playing center.
Dr Jan Itor
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If we're going to use Heidt and a 2nd, I'd prefer someone younger than almost 32.
MK9
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Eh. Doesn't do much for me. He's 31. Not really interested in giving up a 2nd and would much prefer to see what the team has in Haight or Heidt. Wouldn't be the kind of move I think they need to make. Contrary to what I think a few other Wild fans believe, there isn't any hope for doing anything meaningful in this years playoffs. The PP/PK are atrocious and Rakell isn't likely to make enough of a difference in either of those. Unless it's a move for the future/window, I don't think the team needs to be making trades that don't work towards that end. I don't see Rakell as a part of that at that age. Similar reason I don't think they should waste assets on Brock Nelson for some misguided playoff push.
Pass.
Pass.
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Pass on this one. More than I wanna give up for a 32 year old ~55 point winger.
Any move the Wild make for someone with term should make the roster younger, not older. I could understand acquiring a cheap bottom six depth player as a rental at the deadline (not that we'll have the cap space this year to even do that), but for a guy with two seasons left on his deal, we're getting two years older, and giving up two good future assets to enhance a window that isn't even open.
Any move the Wild make for someone with term should make the roster younger, not older. I could understand acquiring a cheap bottom six depth player as a rental at the deadline (not that we'll have the cap space this year to even do that), but for a guy with two seasons left on his deal, we're getting two years older, and giving up two good future assets to enhance a window that isn't even open.
It would have to be Hartman because we have zero cap space. I don't think it's a bad offer but having already traded our 1st and 3rd, I would rather not trade the 2nd.
I might be persuaded to deal Hartman + Heidt for Rakell because I think adding another goal scoring wing gives us a snowball's chance in the playoffs , but it sounds like Brocks Nelson and Boeser are both strong possibilities to sign as UFA this summer and they wouldn't cost us anything.
I might be persuaded to deal Hartman + Heidt for Rakell because I think adding another goal scoring wing gives us a snowball's chance in the playoffs , but it sounds like Brocks Nelson and Boeser are both strong possibilities to sign as UFA this summer and they wouldn't cost us anything.
Empoleon8771
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I would probably do just Hartman and Heidt for Rakell as well. The 2nd would be nice because the Penguins don't have a 2nd, but Heidt seems like a really enticing C prospect that the Penguins are lacking in the system.
I also like Hartman though and see value in him, despite him having a bad season.
The wild have no reason to move Hartman for a worse contract/ player and Ryan Hartman isn’t going to waive.
Why would wild pay anything to Pittsburgh to take on a worse contract and cap for ? Somehow wild will have to add more? No thanks
Empoleon8771
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What are you talking about "worse player"? Rakell has both more goals and more assists than Hartman has points this year.
Hartman has 7 goals and 16 points in 46 games. Rakell has 23 goals and 43 points in 52 games. Hartman isn't as bad as his production this year has been, nor is Rakell as good as his production this year has been, but calling Rakell a "worse player" is just a laughably false statement.
Rakell is a 25 goal, 55 point winger having a phenomenal season. Hartman is a 20 goal, 45 point winger that's having a bad season.
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Umm no, I have seen numerous Pittsburgh fans talking trash about rakkell and wanting to dump him! Literally he’s also more expensive and longer term in contract than Hartman. Having those numbers because of who he plays with compared to Hartman doesn’t mean he’s a 55 point winger. So yeah points stabds
Big difference in who their linemates are. Its like Canucks fans who says JT miller is 98 point player because one of season like this and because they refuse to acknowledge it’s because of who jt plays with
Also Rakell is more expensive and worse contract than Hartman. In years and cap, rakell isn’t a contract wild need
Empoleon8771
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Have you watched the Penguins at all in the past few years? They’re washed up. 2025 Crosby isn’t 2010 Crosby and the rest of the team is way worse.
Rakell has been a 25 goal, 55 point winger for his entire career. He has a long career of being productive with the Ducks before he was being acquired by the Penguins. Bringing up linemates as if Rakell is just a product of Crosby is just lazy and disingenuous. In his 9 seasons with Anaheim, he averaged 23 goals and 51 points per 82 games.
You’re also factually lying about Penguins fans talking trash about Rakell and wanting to dump him. At least try to have an honest discussion.
No , it’s really not. Just because they are old doesn’t mean they aren’t still good. You’re the one who’s being disingenuous and trying to get wild to pay for a longer contract and more expensive player when they have a top Russian prospect coming, going after Brock Nelson and boeser this summer. So yeah, you can can shop him elsewhere
Empoleon8771
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Yes it is entirely disingenuous. Rakell’s best season in the NHL was when he played in Anaheim. Rakell had a decade long career with the Ducks where he averaged 51 points per 82 games. Calling him a product of Crosby is a laughably stupid take.
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No, it’s absolutely not a laughingly stupid take. It’s hilarious how it’s you who proposed this, trying to get wild to take on a more expensive contract and longer term contract and throws a hissy fit when others don’t want him. Apparently you can’t understand cap space means everything to wild
Empoleon8771
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“I said something stupid, and since you’re pointing out what I said was stupid, you’re having a hissy fit”
Just say “no thanks, I’m not interested in Rakell” without spouting easy to disprove nonsense. Rakell has been a top-6 player for a long time. It’s totally reasonable to pass up on him due to age or not thinking that the Wild should be buying, but let’s actually have an honest discussion here if we’re talking about player abilities.
Muddying the waters with uneducated claims like “Rakell is a product of Crosby” and falsehoods like “numerous Penguins fans talk trash about him and want to get rid of him” isn’t good for any discussion.
You took a major L by saying Hartman is a better player than Rakell. The contract is the killer for the Wild. That is the true part of your argument.
I certainly wouldn’t pay anything major on top of Hartman. Not a 2nd or Heidt, definitely not both.
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