Proposal: Penguins - Red Wings

Honour Over Glory

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Lacking character? Explain.

Obvious you’re referring to him being the only player not vaccinated. He has a set of balls / courage that you and I will never compare to.

Do you know how many everyday folks wouldn’t be vaccinated if we didn’t have a family to feed.

He disagrees with you. He has no character issues. Shut up about it.
Lol he has more bollocks than me because of that? I doubt he does. You don't even know me, being a black kid playing sports that are predominantly considered "white" sports, you'd lose your life savings betting he has more "balls/courage" than me because he chose to be selfish and doesn't understand science.

In any case, as a Penguins fan, you can keep him, I'd never want a player like that on my team.
 

Honour Over Glory

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Its a character issue. And do you know how many everyday folks would drink and drive if they could? Just because about a quarter to 2/5ths of American are stupid doesn't mean Bert has character. Character is doing the stuff you don't want to do, but know you have to do because it benefits others. Him sitting on his ass unvaccinated in Detroit right now doesn't benefit the team, or the community he's in.
Yup. And to be honest if a pens player did the same I'd call it out as such. In any case I'd never want someone like that on the Pens. Pens and wings don't make for good trade partners.
 

Leadzedder

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Lol he has more bollocks than me because of that? I doubt he does. You don't even know me, being a black kid playing sports that are predominantly considered "white" sports, you'd lose your life savings betting he has more "balls/courage" than me because he chose to be selfish and doesn't understand science.

In any case, as a Penguins fan, you can keep him, I'd never want a player like that on my team.
Slow clap for being black.
 
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Petes2424

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To Detroit:
Marcus Pettersson
Kasperi Kapanen
2nd Round Pick

To Pittsburgh:
Tyler Bertuzzi (50% retained)

Detroit gets a serviceable young defensemen in Pettersson who doesn’t fit into the pens lineup given the log jam at the left side. They also get Kapanen who is being edged out of the lineup and can use a change of scenery. Pens throw in a 2nd rounder given the salary taken by the wings and the salary retention for Bertuzzi.

Pens add Bertuzzi who would immediately slot into the pens top 6 and help tremendously on Malkin’s line to make a push for the cup.
Read this from someone on Twitter too. Not an Yzerman type deal and doesn’t really do anything for Detroit at all. A couple of serviceable players for Bertuzzi isn’t going to cut it. If he’s moved, he will be the best forward moved at this deadline.

Detroit could sign both of those type of players in UFA without much trouble. You certainly don’t trade a player like Bertuzzi for two players like this, and then ask them to retain?

Anyone who thinks Bertuzzi hasn’t become a legit, high end player in the NHL, simply doesn’t watch him play. I knew he’d be good, but never thought he’d end up this good. He just continues to get better every year, and his game is built for the playoffs too.

Further, anyone bringing up the Covid thing is extremely short-sighted, as we are already seeing Canada loosening regulations come April 1st. It will have no bearing on his value at all. He brings a dimension not many players do in the NHL. Teams have to prepare for him specifically. If Detroit is taking offers, teams are lining up.

We keep hearing the Pens are interested in him and he’d be a great fit, bringing them a different element to their team, but honestly don’t see a package they can really put together Detroit would come close to accepting. You have to think Mantha deal with an add in value. Whether that’s quality over quantity, or prospects over picks. Could be 4 pieces, could be two. All depends on the quality. No doubt the cost will be two top-end prospects or the equivalent.

So Pittsburgh would honestly have to look at bringing a third team in to get Detroit the young player(s) they’d be looking for. They’d probably want a young C prospect who’s close to NHL ready, being one of those pieces.

Maybe Detroit would have some interest in Joseph as a piece, but honestly he’d be 6-8th in their dman prospect pool. The only thing he’d bring is maybe he’s ready a year earlier than some others. Possibly one of their goaltending prospects? I don’t think they’d really have much interest in Marino at all as they’re loaded on the right side. Doesn’t even matter if he can play the left side or not. It would also create a hole for the Pens.

The Pens just don’t have much in their system. So the chances anything gets done with Bertuzzi is minimal.

The player the Pens probably are legitimately interested in from Detroit would be Leddy.

The teams who should be all over Bertuzzi who have the type of prospects Detroit would be interested in, would be Minnesota, Carolina, LA, Colorado and possibly the Rangers and Bruins.

With what Carolina is going to have to get through in the East, it makes all the sense in the world for them to take a run at Bertuzzi, and they have plenty of ammo to get the deal done. They probably wouldn’t even have to give up Jarvis or a 1st rounder either, even though I’m sure Detroit would ask for Jarvis. They have a very deep pool.

This is why you have to draft well these days. So you can make these type of moves when you have the opportunity. Carolina has Drury, Rees, Suzuki and other prospects Detroit would be interested in.

In Bertuzzi, you’re talking about a unique type of player who are tough to find. Very few wingers bring that all out pest attitude and are always on the scoresheet too. I wouldn’t count Colorado or LA out either, and Boston would be very interesting with both Marchand and Bertuzzi driving teams nuts.

If I had to guess though, I’d predict he ends up in Carolina or Colorado. Both would really cement their chances at a Cup by adding him.

 

Roomba With a Bauer

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The Pens don't have the right assets to acquire Bertuzzi. In a player-for-player swap it would have to be a top-pair D coming back. In a player-for-assets swap, you aren't getting him for less than a top prospect, a first round pick, and a full-time NHLer.

My guess is that by the time the playoffs start Canada will relax their entry rules.
 

Oddbob

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This isn't me really offering this as much as I'm curious in value. How would Detroit fans feel about Kapanen, Joseph and a 1st for Bertuzzi? I don't know how much Joseph would really intrigue the Wings, he's a 2-way LHD with excellent skating and puck moving, but pretty minimal special teams upside and no physicality. He's a good defenseman, but his skillset is ultra redundant on the Penguins with who else they have on defense.

Honestly I don't like it. Late 1st is meh, Kapanen is a softer and less effective player than Bert and POJ doesn't seem like a game changer to me. To me if we trade Bert, we have to get a comparable player to him back, or a high end prospect plus a pick. Not that Florida would do this, but if we were trading Bert I would want Sam Bennett or similar. Bert is still young enough to fit with our rebuild as he can be a vet guy to Seider and Raymond and company.
 

Oddbob

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Slow clap for Bertuzzi putting his so called teammates at risk. I'd say he'd hurt your team vs a Canadian one in a playoff match but your team is golfing early so I guess that's a zero risk issue.
Bertuzzi didn't put any NHL people at risk. They have their freaking vacccines so they are protected, otherwise why get the damn vaccine?!?
 
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Oddbob

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Its a character issue. And do you know how many everyday folks would drink and drive if they could? Just because about a quarter to 2/5ths of American are stupid doesn't mean Bert has character. Character is doing the stuff you don't want to do, but know you have to do because it benefits others. Him sitting on his ass unvaccinated in Detroit right now doesn't benefit the team, or the community he's in.
Getting vaccinated for this isn't done by anyone for others, you all did it for yourselves.
 
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So OP, Pitt gives Detroit 2 salary dumps/ players who have gradually slid down the depth chart and who have played their way, at the time of the trade onto the bench or pressbox... 2 guys who, if they do happen to play, are not trusted with regular shifts, whose ice time has dwindled all year to plateau into the lowest of their careers and who in MP's case have disappointed the team to the point of the team trusting AHL career tweeners playing over him.
Oh, and who both combined cost 7+ million against the cap... coincidentally, said salaries diminish their potential value even more with MP actually having negative value.

And asking for significant value in return. This was bad enough...like, awful, unrealistic bad..and very obviously so.... but then what really floors me is how you not only couldn't see how obviously lopsided this was, but apparently you thought it favored Detroit so you double down on the horrible and decide that Detroit needs to sweeten the deal and give Pittsburgh even more of a gift while Detroit wouldn't be screwing themselves enough so they have to retain half of Bertuzzi's salary....

Yeesh...haha... this one is just yikes!
 
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Vancouver Canucks

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So OP, Pitt gives Detroit 2 salary dumps/ players who have gradually slid down the depth chart and who have played their way, at the time of the trade onto the bench or pressbox... 2 guys who, if they do happen to play, are not trusted with regular shifts, whose ice time has dwindled all year to plateau into the lowest of their careers and who in MP's case have disappointed the team to the point of the team trusting AHL career tweeners playing over him.
Oh, and who both combined cost 7+ million against the cap... coincidentally, said salaries diminish their potential value even more with MP actually having negative value.

And asking for significant value in return. This was bad enough...like, awful, unrealistic bad..and very obviously so.... but then what really floors me is how you not only couldn't see how obviously lopsided this was, but apparently you thought it favored Detroit so you double down on the horrible and decide that Detroit needs to sweeten the deal and give Pittsburgh even more of a gift while Detroit wouldn't be screwing themselves enough so they have to retain half of Bertuzzi's salary....

Yeesh...haha... this one is just yikes!
Kapanen is not exactly a cap dump, but 2nd + Kapanen, and an irrelevant player wouldn't match Bertuzzi, especially if he is retained 50%.
 

Lil Sebastian Cossa

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This isn't me really offering this as much as I'm curious in value. How would Detroit fans feel about Kapanen, Joseph and a 1st for Bertuzzi? I don't know how much Joseph would really intrigue the Wings, he's a 2-way LHD with excellent skating and puck moving, but pretty minimal special teams upside and no physicality. He's a good defenseman, but his skillset is ultra redundant on the Penguins with who else they have on defense.
No.
 

chethejet

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Detroit people are thinking Bertuzzi is a top line forward. Not on the Pens. He really is not the fit as his game has some grit which is fine but not sure he gives the Pens the kind of scoring as a top forward. I pass on him and his injuries.
 

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Detroit people are thinking Bertuzzi is a top line forward. Not on the Pens. He really is not the fit as his game has some grit which is fine but not sure he gives the Pens the kind of scoring as a top forward. I pass on him and his injuries.
Right, the guy is injury-prone. I don't think he'd fit well in the Penguins lineup.
 

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Any pieces from Tampa that could land Bertuzzi? I was thinking something around prospects/young players like Foote ,Raddysh,katchouk, Joseph, and Colton plus picks?
 

WingsMJN2965

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Lol he has more bollocks than me because of that? I doubt he does. You don't even know me, being a black kid playing sports that are predominantly considered "white" sports, you'd lose your life savings betting he has more "balls/courage" than me because he chose to be selfish and doesn't understand science.

In any case, as a Penguins fan, you can keep him, I'd never want a player like that on my team.

No worries, bud. Pittsburgh doesn’t have what it’d take to acquire Bertuzzi. :thumbu:
 

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