damn, we could do Roslovic for Crosby 1 for 1 with that value.Jim Rutherford: "Jack Roslovic has the same initials as me..."
Maybe for you.
But getting rid of that cancer Trouba for anything half decent was a Win for the Jets
How about this trade?
Jets give Roslovic and a 3rd or 4th
Penguins give their 1st rounder
Jets had Trouba for 7 years at an average salary of $2.68 million, and then traded him for a pretty good return. He promptly signed for an astounding $8 million per year in New York.My point was more so if Chevy had pulled the trigger on Trouba a year or two earlier he probably gets totally different value.
I get the idea that the Jets were competing and they needed a RD, but I think in general it was mismanaged because Chevy has been way too cautious throughout his tenure with the Jets and that’s why they are kind of doing a Minnesota Wild impersonation.
You’ve convinced me. Not sure why anyone is trying to argue with logic like this.
Call it what ever you want. He was still a cancer on this team regardless of you want to admit it or not.This is a horrible opinion.
He wanted to move south so his fiancé could attend medical school. While he was here he was a top pair defensemen and was a tremendous player for the Jets. He did what he was allowed to do within his rights as a player.
Why?
Ryan Hartman from Hawks to Preds.I mean what past trades suggest that Roslovic can bring back a 1st rounder? Can you come up with any examples of that happening?
At Roslovic's age, draft position is completely irrelevant. Roslovic is worth no more than an equally as good player who was a former 7th round pick. Roslovic being taken in the 1st round 6 years ago doesn't mean he still has 1st round value today.
If you look at the history of trades involving 1st round picks straight up or 1st round picks in value, the players going back are almost always better than what Roslovic has shown in the NHL so far. That kind of value gets you guys like Perron (who was traded twice for basically that value) and Athanasiou. Roslovic is more comparable to Milano, Perlini and Fabbri, who were basically traded straight up for depth players.
Ryan Hartman from Hawks to Preds.
You asked for an example and you got it. Naturally you want to fight it LOL. Are you being serious right now? Why even bother asking the question?So you have 1 example of a comparable trade for Roslovic bringing up that value, and then there are like a dozen examples of him not having that kind of value.
I'd also argue that Hartman had shown more in the NHL when he was traded than what Roslovic has shown so far. Hartman was a strong 5v5 producer, he had a 5v5 points/60 of 1.79 with the Hawks prior to being traded. Roslovic is at 1.48 in the last 2 years.
You asked for an example and you got it. Naturally you want to fight it LOL. Are you being serious right now?
After doing some more research on recent trades, I think an absolutely perfect comparison to Roslovic right now is Brendan Perlini in 2019. Before Perlini was traded to Detroit, he had seasons of 21 points in 57 games, 30 points in 74 games and 21 points in 68 games. In total, he had a pace of 19 goals and 30 points per 82 games, which is very comparable to Roslovic's pace of 12 goals and 31 points per 82 games.
In 2019, he was traded to Detroit straight up for Alec Regula, who was a 3rd round pick (#67 overall) in 2018 and was and still is a decent prospect. Perlini had also asked for a trade from Chicago, was 23 at the time of the trade and was a 1st round pick in the past. That makes me think that Legare, a 3rd round pick (#74 overall) from 2019 and was and still is a decent prospect, for Roslovic straight up is pretty much spot on in terms of Roslovic's value.
That sounds fine except your GM traded a 15th overall and a recent 2nd round pick for a third line player in Kapanen a few months ago. Sure, Kapanen has better stats but I would bet Roslovic would score more playing with Tavares and Marner.
That’s fine if you don’t agree. Chevy has no pressure to make a trade for a B prospect and a mid round pick. I can’t imagine Roslovic sitting out a season. He will either be traded for the price Chevy sets or end up signing closer to Feb 11.
"Sure Kapanen isn't at all comparable because he's way more proven than Roslovic, but I can make up a hypothetical scenario to argue that he has that kind of value"
JR also heavily overpaid for Kapanen based on the thought that he can be a top-6 forward in Pittsburgh. That doesn't mean every player he's going to trade for is going to involve an overpayment.
I agree with that but JR has a bit of a reputation for overpays. If he thinks Roslovic could take a step playing with Crosby or Malkin, he may do so again.
My point was more so if Chevy had pulled the trigger on Trouba a year or two earlier he probably gets totally different value.
I get the idea that the Jets were competing and they needed a RD, but I think in general it was mismanaged because Chevy has been way too cautious throughout his tenure with the Jets and that’s why they are kind of doing a Minnesota Wild impersonation.
Call it what ever you want. He was still a cancer on this team regardless of you want to admit it or not.
You asked. You received. You backtracked. You clearly aren’t looking for reason. You are simply arguing a point of view to death regardless of the facts that fly in the face of your own standard.Yes, you gave me 1 example. And then I asked you to tell me why that 1 example holds more weight than the dozens of other examples that suggest he doesn't have that kind of value.
2022 1st
2022 4th
Nathan Legare
Jack Roslovic
2023 7th
Calling it.