GDT: Penguins @ Devils - 7:00 P.M. - MSGSN

[Whaddagoal]

Pretty sure Sieg's lost his helmet last year or the year before and the rule was, lose your helmet, get off the ice.

Hard to forget that one. That was the Carolina playoff game we lost. I was pissed off because that had a direct impact on the game score. Carolina scored while he was going back to the bench and it drastically affected the outcome of that game.

Probably bunting cheated on that one yesterday, but to be fair he did skate all the way back to the bench and put it on at the side (and circle back). But yeah he didn't get off the ice.

I definitely thought they might whistle it, but the refs were probably focused on that play back in the zone and let it slide (or figured he was "at the bench" for all practical purposes)

 

[MakoSlade]

12 shots against? Guess the "Devils are the worst defensive team ever that doesn't give their goalies a chance" argument can be retired for a while.

Great. Now we're a trap team again.

 

[Saugus]

He definitely didn't get off the ice.

I saw that live from in arena. He put the dome back on as he got back to bench (but never got off) and circled back into the play.

What is the official rule for that? Is it more Long the lines of, if you "lose" your helmet? He had it in his hand and was putting it back on (albeit while skating back to the bench)

I don’t know what the letter of the rule is, but clearly the intent behind it is a safety concern. You don’t want guys continuing in the play without their helmet.

If a guy is able to pick up his helmet and put it back on, the spirit of the rule is satisfied. So it doesn’t bother me that he rejoined the play instead of going straight off.

 

[Whaddagoal]

I don’t know what the letter of the rule is, but clearly the intent behind it is a safety concern. You don’t want guys continuing in the play without their helmet.

If a guy is able to pick up his helmet and put it back on, the spirit of the rule is satisfied. So it doesn’t bother me that he rejoined the play instead of going straight off.

That's fair, I am pretty much in agreement there, didn't bother me much as he had escaped the play and went to bench area.

But I was curious how the refs would handle it.

 

[Triumph]

You can put your helmet back on during play, I believe, but you're not allowed to engage with opponents or the play when you have your helmet off. Slashing someone with your helmet off directly contradicts the spirit of the rule.

 

[Devils731]

Adding to everyone, I believe when your helmet comes off you are allowed to continue your current engagement. Once the engagement is over you must immediately leave the ice or put your helmet back on.

For Bunting, the puck was long gone so his only 2 options were leave the ice or put helmet back on. There was no option three to slash the hell out of Hamilton a few times.

 

[njdevils1982]

You can put your helmet back on during play, I believe, but you're not allowed to engage with opponents or the play when you have your helmet off. Slashing someone with your helmet off directly contradicts the spirit of the rule.

you can if you're already involved but i don't slashing should be something they let slide

"It is reasonable if a player who is making a play on the puck or who is in the vicinity of the puck and engaged in the play at the time his helmet comes off, takes the opportunity to complete the play before either exiting the ice or retrieving and replacing his helmet."

https://media.nhl.com/site/vasset/public/attachments/2019/09/13452/2019-20_RuleChanges_RuleBook.pdf

 

[Bcap88]

Love this version of Siegs and the team

 

[DerekDevils30]

Love this version of Siegs and the team

Our crease is a no fly zone for the opposition this season. You love to see it

 

[devilsblood]

you can if you're already involved but i don't slashing should be something they let slide

"It is reasonable if a player who is making a play on the puck or who is in the vicinity of the puck and engaged in the play at the time his helmet comes off, takes the opportunity to complete the play before either exiting the ice or retrieving and replacing his helmet."

https://media.nhl.com/site/vasset/public/attachments/2019/09/13452/2019-20_RuleChanges_RuleBook.pdf

Thinking was probably something along the lines of "Bunting just got worked by 3 different guys, so we are going to let slide the wacks to Ham's skates".

Bunting probably went above and beyond, but I'm not upset by the no call. As I say above I don't mind battling the ref's, and I like that in general we are not only involved in these skirmishes but actually instigating them.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Dano sounds like he’s in heaven watching what Siegs did last night

Vast improvement to when him and Sal sounded like they were slowly dying inside last year.

 

[Aurinko]

Agreed he’s better than both but I don’t see the price getting as high as you’re saying. While his underlyings were good in Montreal this is Kovy’s first season eating true top 4 minutes. The fact it’s a small sample size will keep that number between 4 and 5 mil per I believe. Marino and Graves you had a larger sample size of significant minutes to go off of.

It will be interesting to see how Kovy will be dealt. Of course there is a possibility he signs for 4-5mil, but imo that would mean he is willing to give discount to play with the Devils. Marino and Graves played only one year here, both took the cash, and the Devils defense wasn't arguably the same without them. While his agent Richard Evans isn't the worst hog ever, I still think the situation gives Kovy some leverage if he wants it.

 

[devilsblood]

Dano sounds like he’s in heaven watching what Siegs did last night

Vast improvement to when him and Sal sounded like they were slowly dying inside last year.

Fitz clearly wanted the team tougher, wanted guys in the gym, Sieg's is a guy who probably needed that as much as anyone.

He's got a big frame, and I imagine if he commits to it, he could become a pretty physical player. And as you get stronger, you do get more of that mindset.

 

[JimEIV]

Fitz clearly wanted the team tougher, wanted guys in the gym, Sieg's is a guy who probably needed that as much as anyone.

He's got a big frame, and I imagine if he commits to it, he could become a pretty physical player. And as you get stronger, you do get more of that mindset.

I think they still need to get tougher. I like to see another piece added.

No question things are better but I still think we need just another dash of hot sauce.

Edit: and that could provide some secondary scoring. I really don't like our production outside of our top 5 guys.

 

[devilsblood]

I think they still need to get tougher. I like to see another piece added.

No question things are better but I still think we need just another dash of hot sauce.

Edit: and that could provide some secondary scoring. I really don't like our production outside of our top 5 guys.

I don't think we need to add, we are playing so well I'm not sure I want to mess with it. We could add, but even then, I think the bottom 6 scoring is the more important. I am wary of adding more toughness and losing more speed in the process. If we could find a tough little speedy scrappy winger that might be something.

 

[JimEIV]

I don't think we need to add, we are playing so well I'm not sure I want to mess with it. We could add, but even then, I think the bottom 6 scoring is the more important. I am wary of adding more toughness and losing more speed in the process. If we could find a tough little speedy scrappy winger that might be something.

I think our bottom 7 is not doing enough. After Jack, Bratt Nico ,Timo (Timo is suspect too) and Noesen there is void of reliable secondary scoring....they not only lack scoring, they lack physicality and meanness. For the most part it's just a collection of NPC's.

It's fine for now but it will in no world work in the playoffs...it doesn't need a total revamp, just a couple of additions....or maybe more appropriate subtractions.

4 or 5 guys just can't do it every single night.

 

[mdj12784]

Our crease is a no fly zone for the opposition this season. You love to see it

 

[BomaLightDevils]

I want more grit

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I want more grit

we've got plenty of that now.

Need another middle 6 player who can pot some goals

 

[My3Sons]

I think our bottom 7 is not doing enough. After Jack, Bratt Nico ,Timo (Timo is suspect too) and Noesen there is void of reliable secondary scoring....they not only lack scoring, they lack physicality and meanness. For the most part it's just a collection of NPC's.

It's fine for now but it will in no world work in the playoffs...it doesn't need a total revamp, just a couple of additions....or maybe more appropriate subtractions.

4 or 5 guys just can't do it every single night.

I tend to agree. I also think the lack of more scoring has something to do with the new system. It stresses defense and structure and positioning and it takes more skill and smarts to score as a result. There is a reason the team has been shut out so many times. I don’t think it’s because the top players magically lose their talent for random games. Obviously scoring first is a thing for them. Maybe it’s a function of the stress on defense? They fall behind and still play defense first while the other team just turtles? In any event it’s not a surprise to me the scoring drops off dramatically as the talent drops off.

 

[BomaLightDevils]

Don’t think we have enough yet, for the regular season we are okay but we need a more established 4 line and I’m actually starting to love what Tuna is doing in defensive minded situations