Confirmed with Link: Penguins and Mike Sullivan part ways

Criticizing Sullivan for having great rosters and then saying Bowman was the best is kind of rich. Dude coached nothing but HOF players and they hated him so much they chased him away after the worlds biggest choke against NYI after only 2 seasons.

Yeah Bowman was the "best" coach the Penguins ever had in terms of coaching ability, but to even mention him as the "best Penguins coach" is hilarious. He literally just rode Bob Johnson's team to the cup in 1992, oversaw a complete choke against the Islanders in 1993 and then f***ed off :laugh:

I will admit, some things I've read about those early 1990s Penguins teams definitely doesn't paint them in a good light in terms of coachability. Bowman having issues with the Penguins team was more about the players being unprofessional than Bowman being a dick that made everyone hate him IMO. But still, he was here for so little that you'd be insane to argue that he's the best coach in franchise history.

If Bob Johnson didn't tragically die and was the head coach for that 1992 cup team as well, he'd firmly be the best coach in franchise history. Just like the 2009 Penguins team was as much Therrien's team as it was Bylsma's team, that 1992 team was just as much Bob's team as it was Bowman's team.
 
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2010-11 & 11-12:
Letang-Orpik
Martin-Michalek
Niskanen-Engelland

2013:
Letang-Orpik
Martin-Niskanen
Eaton-Engelland (Murray in playoffs)

2014:
Letang-Orpik
Martin-Niskanen
Maatta-Engelland

Please tell me which Penguins rosters under Sullivan had a better group of Dmen?
2016 was the best defensively the team ever was and it was
Dumoulin-Letang
Maatta-Daley
Cole-Lovejoy
Schultz

With Daley getting hurt and Schultz subbing in and Letang playing with everyone occasionally. While it was a good enough D for the job it's clear the coaching did wonders with that defense and 2017 to make it exceed expectations. 2017 is widely regarded as the worst non-2006 Hurricanes defense to win a Cup in the modern era. Probably worse than that Hurricanes team on paper.
 
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I think the whole "Sullivan vs Bylsma" debate is purely just this board being fed up with Sullivan overstaying his welcome by like 4 years. Had he been fired in 2021 like he should have, no one would be looking back today asking if Sullivan or Bylsma was the better coach.

When the 4 Nations tournament came around, I wondered how the US would do with Byslma's 2014 stint in my memory. I wasn't really a Pens fan then but I still got a sense of how it damaged his reputation. I thought a similar flop would really settle any questions about Sullivan... but, while it sucks they didn't win, I think they still lived up to the talent billing. No getting humped 5-0 by Finland.

I dunno what Sully does next and a little idle curiosity aside, NomFUP. But the difference between Sully's record with other teams and Byslma's to this point is pretty glaringly different.
 
Thanks mate, we might still be as much as 48 hours off, but the ob-gyn told us to go get everything checked out because it's definitely starting.
Mate, if I don’t see you on here I am going to assume your hell spawn and the first sign of the apocalypsebeautiful child was born, in which case Congrats! I will light up a montecristo and pour a nice glass of scotch to celebrate.
 
but those accomplishments came off real good work.

He was also done in, like Bylsma, by some atrocious goalie play, which makes his later years look a bit worse than they actually were (i'm not talking about the last 3 years, some of Jarry's collapses before that)
Lol what?

When Mikey J was fired, Tocchet was still there and collaborated heavily with Mike Sullivan. It was something that we all know as it was documented heavily around that time how much Sullivan leaned on Tocchet to get to know the team, help with the line-up, coaching the powerplay, and then even more the 2nd year and also how much work Gonchar was doing with the D (as a Developmental coach and the later as an Assistant coach after the cups, Martin and Sarge did a lot of good work in the 2nd cup with the D).

The warts with Sullivan, his first year without having that strong Assistant coach is when you see the wheels start to fall off and the issues with him coming up. He was idiotic with the usage of Kessel and Hagelin, he kept forcing them with Malkin and he kept f***ing around with Hagelin so much that JR stupidly traded him. Then Sullivan felt he didn’t need to scout new players coming in and stated he would use them where he thinks they would fit best, lol, which of course had Tanner Pearson play confused for him. The team also wanted toughness (Sid specifically) and added Reaves and he pouted with the usage of him, which is absolutely hilarious because later in his tenure he would constantly play bigger plugs continuously, but he also openly beefed with Ian Cole because he was friendly with the media about topics and he had an issue with that. Instead of being a f***ing adult about it, he chose to bench him at times and then finally started to play him again when he had no choice. Then he openly pined for Big Game BrAss and JR went and got him the bloke only got Sullivan to completely misuse him too. That trade was one of the single most damaging thing because it established one very important thing for Mike Sullivan.

It showed him the power he held with the team. He could argue with Kessel, Cole, and even Malkin and would get his way no matter what. A Gm usually goes out and says “I am not going to make a trade, they need to figure it out.” But JR bent over backwards for him instead, epic mistake. He also just kept doing stupid shit with Simon, ZAR, McCann, Bjugstad, the list f***ing goes on and on. He was propped up with hot streaks, but those seasons he had a lot of inconsistent stretches as well and there were times very good play by players got him out of those funks. But eventually those players couldn’t do it anymore. The goalies thing I think he has a large part of that because he absolutely has no clue how to f***ing manage a rotation if his life depended on it. He would ride the goalies into the ground and then be pissy about it. I remember when Murray lost his father and was starting to show some issues, Sullivan didn’t challenge him, he treated him like a child and threw him easy lobs for matchups, which I mean Murray was arrogant and yeah sure, he won 2 cups and was f***ing elite as shit, he had a right to be at that point, but he was also coming off an injury and a major loss and the coach starts to treat him like a child and play him against these weaker opponents. He didn’t bother challenging Murray that first year as the defacto starter, he got shit on by the Blues and the Hawks in the first two games, then he would get thrown into games vs the Ducks and Jackets, etc. Poor Niemi that year, he had to come in to relieve Murray when the Hawks put up 9 vs the Pens and then had Tampa in his next two games, scapegoated out of town but at least he rebounded the next year with the Habs.

f*** Mike Sullivan and his ignorant bullshit. These tossers just going off and celebrating him like some coaching god in the Pens media can also go f*** themselves, I hope some players call out some of the shit he did, or start talking shit when they’re playing a lot better for a new coach and say shit like “Well its easy to play well when you’re not worried about being benched for a small mistake while others can make more glaring ones and aren’t held accountable in the same way.”

f*** Mike and his Boston roots, he can go eat shit. I hope he does end up in NY and f***s that team up and then he’s replaced for the Olympics, I f***ing look forward to his downfall all across the board.
 
Yeah Bowman was the "best" coach the Penguins ever had in terms of coaching ability, but to even mention him as the "best Penguins coach" is hilarious. He literally just rode Bob Johnson's team to the cup in 1992, oversaw a complete choke against the Islanders in 1993 and then f***ed off :laugh:

I will admit, some things I've read about those early 1990s Penguins teams definitely doesn't paint them in a good light in terms of coachability. Bowman having issues with the Penguins team was more about the players being unprofessional than Bowman being a dick that made everyone hate him IMO. But still, he was here for so little that you'd be insane to argue that he's the best coach in franchise history.

If Bob Johnson didn't tragically die and was the head coach for that 1992 cup team as well, he'd firmly be the best coach in franchise history. Just like the 2009 Penguins team was as much Therrien's team as it was Bylsma's team, that 1992 team was just as much Bob's team as it was Bowman's team.
I rank Bob over Sullivan every f***ing day of the week mate.

Sullivan won 2 cups, but to me that was a lot of Sullivan/Tocchet and not just Sullivan. Whereas with Disco, that 2009 cup was Disco.

I get it, those that rank him high will look at his overall wins etc. Sure, fine. But to me, I will rank coaches like Bob, Bowman, etc higher than him for coaches I actually respect for what they brought to the Penguins.

Sullivan at the end didn’t even end up with a higher win% in playoffs or regular season over Disco which cracks me up, at least Dan was humbled, then screwed over by Francis which sucks, but Sullivan comes off so f***ing arrogant, I don’t think he’d ever get humbled. I can’t look at those 2yrs only, the last 8 were so bad for me that it tarnishes his legacy as a Penguins coach, it’ll always be awesome the Pens won back 2 back again but for me that was a great coaching collaboration with Sullivan and Tocchet.

Sullivan alone is the last 8yrs, that’s a putrid tenure those last 8, the worst of Sid’s career.
 
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Of all the candidates mentioned in this thread:
1- which ones are considered the better developmental coaches
2- which ones don't think you have to try to win every damn game 1-0? And think a bit of offense is actually meant to be part of the game?
3- which ones are adept at playing players to their strengths, putting them in position to reach the best version of themselves?

I think a lot of the veteran coaches are in pure "win now" mode, including Tocchet. They're also more set with their systems and style.

I think NHL assistants like Jeff Halpern, Mitch Love, Marc Savard - all of whom have been coaching special teams - can play players to their strengths. Halpern has done a really good job managing Tampa's power play with a lot of talent and personalities. Love is a former enforcer who has worked with a hodgepodge defense in Washington to turn it into a solid unit. But all three might feel some pressure to take a job and win immediately since they know jobs are fleeting in the NHL, and they might be willing to sacrifice skill and offense to do so.

Todd Nelson and Pascal Vincent both have a track record of developing players for the NHL. But Nelson has been passed over repeatedly for NHL coaching opportunities after a brief interim stint in Edmonton, while Vincent had a terrible single year as head coach in Columbus after the Babcock debacle.

David Carle has done a great job of developing players at the college level and with Team USA. Can he develop players at the NHL level? Can he earn the respect of established veterans?

This is Dubas' challenge. All of the coaches have positives. They have some question marks, too. No such thing as someone who checks all the boxes.
 
I think a lot of the veteran coaches are in pure "win now" mode, including Tocchet. They're also more set with their systems and style.

I think NHL assistants like Jeff Halpern, Mitch Love, Marc Savard - all of whom have been coaching special teams - can play players to their strengths. Halpern has done a really good job managing Tampa's power play with a lot of talent and personalities. Love is a former enforcer who has worked with a hodgepodge defense in Washington to turn it into a solid unit. But all three might feel some pressure to take a job and win immediately since they know jobs are fleeting in the NHL, and they might be willing to sacrifice skill and offense to do so.

Todd Nelson and Pascal Vincent both have a track record of developing players for the NHL. But Nelson has been passed over repeatedly for NHL coaching opportunities after a brief interim stint in Edmonton, while Vincent had a terrible single year as head coach in Columbus after the Babcock debacle.

David Carle has done a great job of developing players at the college level and with Team USA. Can he develop players at the NHL level? Can he earn the respect of established veterans?

This is Dubas' challenge. All of the coaches have positives. They have some question marks, too. No such thing as someone who checks all the boxes.

One thing to consider imo is that the next coach is almost certainly not going to be the same coach when we’re a contender. We want someone that instils good habits and can teach defensive details while getting the most out of young guys. I don’t think we need someone that we think can win a cup, I don’t think we need someone that preaches a certain style or has an awesome power play or neutral zone system. We just need the guy that can help put in place some blocks we need for the next step.

If we can find the guy that the players eventually hate, but lets the kids play and puts in place all the pieces so that a cheerleader that brings the attitude and tweaks a couple systems can get us over the top would be a 10/10 coach for us.
 
I think a lot of the veteran coaches are in pure "win now" mode, including Tocchet. They're also more set with their systems and style.

I think NHL assistants like Jeff Halpern, Mitch Love, Marc Savard - all of whom have been coaching special teams - can play players to their strengths. Halpern has done a really good job managing Tampa's power play with a lot of talent and personalities. Love is a former enforcer who has worked with a hodgepodge defense in Washington to turn it into a solid unit. But all three might feel some pressure to take a job and win immediately since they know jobs are fleeting in the NHL, and they might be willing to sacrifice skill and offense to do so.

Todd Nelson and Pascal Vincent both have a track record of developing players for the NHL. But Nelson has been passed over repeatedly for NHL coaching opportunities after a brief interim stint in Edmonton, while Vincent had a terrible single year as head coach in Columbus after the Babcock debacle.

David Carle has done a great job of developing players at the college level and with Team USA. Can he develop players at the NHL level? Can he earn the respect of established veterans?

This is Dubas' challenge. All of the coaches have positives. They have some question marks, too. No such thing as someone who checks all the boxes.
Nelson hasn’t been back in the NHL because he refuses to take an Assistant job, which most teams want him for but he would rather be patient and wait for a head coaching job. He has been dicked around far too much to keep playing the Assistant role and get passed over.

I think Mitch Love is someone a very young team would be very smart to get, I think Chicago and Anaheim will seriously look at him as their next coach and will have to wait until the Caps are done until they make that official, I know Dubas alluded to coaches still in the playoffs (assistants) that he wanted to speak to but will have to wait so the time line he has makes sense (mid June).

I am absolutely not sold on Savard or Halpern as a coach, he wasn’t even a head coach in the AHL, he was an Assistant coach there and then has been Cooper’s assistant for almost a decade (well, 7 seasons). I am not sold on him just because of his association to Cooper for a long time. Same for Savard, 2 years as a head coach in Windsor, then Assistant with the Flames and now with the Leafs. Not enough developmental coaching to be a serious candidate. If Dubas ruled out Kirk MacDonald for those same reasons (wanting him to develop further as a coach in WBS) then I don’t see him wanting someone with not enough experience like Savard. Kirk has 12yrs of coaching experience as an Assistant and Head coach in the ECHL, AHL, NCAA, and USHL not to mention Dir of Hockey Ops experience as well (5yrs). Dubas is smart to let him marinate a little more before he’s made a Pens Assistant likely after next season.

Mitch Love would be a fantastic get, I know @Jacob would be ecstatic for it and I don’t blame him if that happens. I also wouldn’t be mad if Todd Nelson got his shot, I think he’s a fantastic coach that deserves a proper shot. But then I also see Dubas maybe looking at Jay Woodcroft as well and they have worked together with Team Canada last year when Jay was the Assistant coach and Dubas the Assistant Gm. I just hope he doesn’t hire Jay, the issue with Woodcroft is he sticks to his game plan even when it’s failing, he lacks adaptability and maybe serves better as an Assistant coach option but I would not be happy to see him as the head coach.

David Carle is my unicorn, I have been pumping him up here for a couple of years now, but I don’t see him coming to the Penguins or any team unless they offered some insane security for him being there a while. He just had another kid, likely wants to stay in Denver around his young family, he’s only 35yrs old. If anything, I can see him maybe taking an Assistant coach job with the Avs as his dipping the toe into the NHL waters.
 
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I think a lot of the veteran coaches are in pure "win now" mode, including Tocchet. They're also more set with their systems and style.

I think NHL assistants like Jeff Halpern, Mitch Love, Marc Savard - all of whom have been coaching special teams - can play players to their strengths. Halpern has done a really good job managing Tampa's power play with a lot of talent and personalities. Love is a former enforcer who has worked with a hodgepodge defense in Washington to turn it into a solid unit. But all three might feel some pressure to take a job and win immediately since they know jobs are fleeting in the NHL, and they might be willing to sacrifice skill and offense to do so.

Todd Nelson and Pascal Vincent both have a track record of developing players for the NHL. But Nelson has been passed over repeatedly for NHL coaching opportunities after a brief interim stint in Edmonton, while Vincent had a terrible single year as head coach in Columbus after the Babcock debacle.

David Carle has done a great job of developing players at the college level and with Team USA. Can he develop players at the NHL level? Can he earn the respect of established veterans?

This is Dubas' challenge. All of the coaches have positives. They have some question marks, too. No such thing as someone who checks all the boxes.
There's a 2-year window here. I wouldn't be looking to be either direction heavy. This will be a fairly blended team. It's not like they will be super young with guys ranging in the 18 to 20 range. They will be in the 22/23/24 range or later. the developing is going to be on the fly with vet support. That includes Hallander at 25.

No need to commit to more than 2 years on a coach with maybe a 3rd year option if it works out. The Pens will be a vet team by then with a new cycle of 22/23/24-year-olds coming through with the previous batch teaching them with a few vets.
 
but those accomplishments came off real good work.

He was also done in, like Bylsma, by some atrocious goalie play, which makes his later years look a bit worse than they actually were (i'm not talking about the last 3 years, some of Jarry's collapses before that)


Sullivan is 100% going to the Rangers unless Drury somehow says something to piss him off. The fact that the Rangers are interested in bringing Torts back in some capacity and that Mike Sullivan has ties to a lot of players there from the 4 Nations squad and that he has a goalie that will bail his shitty system out that he will never get anywhere else that has a job vacancy, it’s a no brainer for a twat like Sullivan.

Thank god too, because it’ll be hilarious to see that squad implode under Sullivan’s stupid usage.

Rangers fans - “Why is Kreider still getting top PP time and first line minutes over Lafrenière?”

LOL

Brooks was writing love stories about the Rangers trading for him for a couple of years now, be careful what you wish for, wanker, haha
 
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I don't think it was timeline oriented at all. The complacency, pushing the players more, getting more out of the players, the message was lost, and Kyle knew it.
Mate the issue was he was picking the wrong players to get the most out of.

He was far more interested in trying to get more out of the Jankowski, Acciari, Nieto, Porter, Harkins, White, Beauvillier, Ruhwedel etc trash over the players he should have tried to get more out of but couldn’t be bothered to use in proper usage. That was one of his biggest issues, you saw him give Acciari and others the rope he should have given players like Poulin, Puustinen, Ponomarev, Hallander, Gruden, etc. Those shitty veterans could keep f***ing up and keep getting a ton more opportunities to keep being absolutely useless while young players that showed more when they briefly got good usage were seemingly punished and used like absolute garbage.

If you’re a veteran player, you’re excited for Sullivan as your incoming coach. IF you’re a lad trying to crack the NHL, you’re telling yourself “f***, I should sign in Europe.”
 
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Mate the issue was he was picking the wrong players to get the most out of.

He was far more interested in trying to get more out of the Jankowski, Acciari, Nieto, Porter, Harkins, White, Beauvillier, Ruhwedel etc trash over the players he should have tried to get more out of but couldn’t be bothered to use in proper usage. That was one of his biggest issues, you saw him give Acciari and others the rope he should have given players like Poulin, Puustinen, Ponomarev, Hallander, Gruden, etc. Those shitty veterans could keep f***ing up and keep getting a ton more opportunities to keep being absolutely useless while young players that showed more when they briefly got good usage were seemingly punished and used like absolute garbage.

If you’re a veteran player, you’re excited for Sullivan as your incoming coach. IF you’re a lad trying to crack the NHL, you’re telling yourself “f***, I should sign in Europe.”
You do realize who gave him those players?

There's a two-way street. And let's not pretend this team had a top-notch prospect pool either.

They brought up Puustinen and the like when injuries arose.

Last year's additions are not worthy before this year. They are equally to blame. Dubas enabled Sully. Dubas sabotaged the roster. The team was destined to fail.
 
Lol what?

When Mikey J was fired, Tocchet was still there and collaborated heavily with Mike Sullivan. It was something that we all know as it was documented heavily around that time how much Sullivan leaned on Tocchet to get to know the team, help with the line-up, coaching the powerplay, and then even more the 2nd year and also how much work Gonchar was doing with the D (as a Developmental coach and the later as an Assistant coach after the cups, Martin and Sarge did a lot of good work in the 2nd cup with the D).

The warts with Sullivan, his first year without having that strong Assistant coach is when you see the wheels start to fall off and the issues with him coming up. He was idiotic with the usage of Kessel and Hagelin, he kept forcing them with Malkin and he kept f***ing around with Hagelin so much that JR stupidly traded him. Then Sullivan felt he didn’t need to scout new players coming in and stated he would use them where he thinks they would fit best, lol, which of course had Tanner Pearson play confused for him. The team also wanted toughness (Sid specifically) and added Reaves and he pouted with the usage of him, which is absolutely hilarious because later in his tenure he would constantly play bigger plugs continuously, but he also openly beefed with Ian Cole because he was friendly with the media about topics and he had an issue with that. Instead of being a f***ing adult about it, he chose to bench him at times and then finally started to play him again when he had no choice. Then he openly pined for Big Game BrAss and JR went and got him the bloke only got Sullivan to completely misuse him too. That trade was one of the single most damaging thing because it established one very important thing for Mike Sullivan.

It showed him the power he held with the team. He could argue with Kessel, Cole, and even Malkin and would get his way no matter what. A Gm usually goes out and says “I am not going to make a trade, they need to figure it out.” But JR bent over backwards for him instead, epic mistake. He also just kept doing stupid shit with Simon, ZAR, McCann, Bjugstad, the list f***ing goes on and on. He was propped up with hot streaks, but those seasons he had a lot of inconsistent stretches as well and there were times very good play by players got him out of those funks. But eventually those players couldn’t do it anymore. The goalies thing I think he has a large part of that because he absolutely has no clue how to f***ing manage a rotation if his life depended on it. He would ride the goalies into the ground and then be pissy about it. I remember when Murray lost his father and was starting to show some issues, Sullivan didn’t challenge him, he treated him like a child and threw him easy lobs for matchups, which I mean Murray was arrogant and yeah sure, he won 2 cups and was f***ing elite as shit, he had a right to be at that point, but he was also coming off an injury and a major loss and the coach starts to treat him like a child and play him against these weaker opponents. He didn’t bother challenging Murray that first year as the defacto starter, he got shit on by the Blues and the Hawks in the first two games, then he would get thrown into games vs the Ducks and Jackets, etc. Poor Niemi that year, he had to come in to relieve Murray when the Hawks put up 9 vs the Pens and then had Tampa in his next two games, scapegoated out of town but at least he rebounded the next year with the Habs.

f*** Mike Sullivan and his ignorant bullshit. These tossers just going off and celebrating him like some coaching god in the Pens media can also go f*** themselves, I hope some players call out some of the shit he did, or start talking shit when they’re playing a lot better for a new coach and say shit like “Well its easy to play well when you’re not worried about being benched for a small mistake while others can make more glaring ones and aren’t held accountable in the same way.”

f*** Mike and his Boston roots, he can go eat shit. I hope he does end up in NY and f***s that team up and then he’s replaced for the Olympics, I f***ing look forward to his downfall all across the board.
Let's not forget that he only gave Sprong ONE shift with Geno... where they scored a goal ... only never to have them play ever again. Sprong was exactly the type of Wing that works great with 71.

Meathead loser from beantown also destroyed Kapanen's career.
 
You do realize who gave him those players?

There's a two-way street. And let's not pretend this team had a top-notch prospect pool either.

They brought up Puustinen and the like when injuries arose.

Last year's additions are not worthy before this year. They are equally to blame. Dubas enabled Sully. Dubas sabotaged the roster. The team was destined to fail.
It is a two way street. The GM will make moves he feels is best for the team but he also finds players his coach says he needs to win with, no one forces Sullivan to keep playing turds like Acciari and Nieto or use his line-up like a f***ing muppet. That’s all on Sullivan. There are enablers sure, JR was a massive one and then you had the behind the scenes shit of FSG loving Sullivan, but like I said in another thread - Dubas was someone FSG really wanted and sought out, Sullivan they inherited, so if Dubas wanted Sullivan gone, FSG would allow it and well here we are in all its f***ing glory thankfully.

Sullivan purposely used the line-up like a f***ing idiot. Good riddance, watch him go do the same shit elsewhere.

OH wait, he literally did dumb shit for the 4 Nations where he dressed Kreider over Conner, lol. Was he forced to do that too?

Mate, you don’t need to defend Sullivan. This is a safe space, we’re all healing together.
 
Let's not forget that he only gave Sprong ONE shift with Geno... where they scored a goal ... only never to have them play ever again. Sprong was exactly the type of Wing that works great with 71.

Meathead loser from beantown also destroyed Kapanen's career.
He did the same to Puustinen, whether a bunch of whiny babies want to admit it or not because the name triggers them, but even with Koivunen who was fantastic with Geno, was then forced to Sid.

Sullivan was such an ignorant asshole with the line up, thank goodness it’s over.
 
Let's not forget that he only gave Sprong ONE shift with Geno... where they scored a goal ... only never to have them play ever again. Sprong was exactly the type of Wing that works great with 71.

Meathead loser from beantown also destroyed Kapanen's career.
Kapanen's career is where it's at because he's not a smart hockey player. Nothing to do with Sullivan
 
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I'm thrilled he's gone. But I am a little pissed it wasn't a loud and clear 'f*** you, get the f*** out' message. And Penguins media is still posting 'thank you' garbage posts and videos portraying him as some inspirational leader and not some f***ing moron that completely ruin over half a decade of hockey for me.
 
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I'm thrilled he's gone. But I am a little pissed it wasn't a loud and clear 'f*** you, get the f*** out' message. And Penguins media is still posting 'thank you' garbage posts and videos portraying him as some inspirational leader and not some f***ing moron that completely ruin over half a decade of hockey for me.
The Pittsburgh media looks at Sullivan the same way that 14 year old girls look at Taylor Swift.
 
Eh, it was always gonna be a tearful, "he's still great but it was time", mutual parting of ways kinda thing imo.

This organization revered the guy, absolutely fawning over him, for basically a decade. I'd guess the only reason this even happened is because Sullivan simply has no interest in coaching a team shifting from trying to compete (as much of a farce as that effort's been), to beginning the methodical teardown and rebuild. I think Dubas definitely fired him based on the wording used in the presser, but it was probably more like "Listen, this is how we are gonna approach the next handful of years. If you're not fully committed, you're free to walk."
 

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