Yeah, brain fart, but in my defense, I thought it was baby-go time.Bylsma only made the Finals once.
Completely understandable.Yeah, brain fart, but in my defense, I thought it was baby-go time.
Dan Bylsma (with Pens)
Regular season: .668.
The WORST season we had with him was .616 (101 points). Never even came to missing the playoffs, not even when Malkin and Crosby missed half the season in the same year.
Playoffs: .551
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Mike Sullivan
Regular season: .602
Had better rosters than Bylsma on average. Missed the playoffs 3 times, including multiple years with healthy cores.
Playoffs: .537. 5-16 since 2019.
The most overrated goddamn coach I've seen in my life. He had front-loaded great results and then coasted on it for like 7 years. He's not even better than Bylsma, who people notoriously mock.
Best coach in Penguins history? f*** off. We had Bowman.
While that's all well and good, Bylsma had Crosby and Malkin in their absolute primes with some pretty loaded teams. I don't think it's a 100% fair comparison.Dan Bylsma (with Pens)
Regular season: .668.
The WORST season we had with him was .616 (101 points). Never even came to missing the playoffs, not even when Malkin and Crosby missed half the season in the same year.
Playoffs: .551
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Mike Sullivan
Regular season: .602
Had better rosters than Bylsma on average. Missed the playoffs 3 times, including multiple years with healthy cores.
Playoffs: .537. 5-16 since 2019.
The most overrated goddamn coach I've seen in my life. He had front-loaded great results and then coasted on it for like 7 years. He's not even better than Bylsma, who people notoriously mock.
Best coach in Penguins history? f*** off. We had Bowman.
PLus, you know, Bob Johnson?Damn dude... we agree like once every 20 opinions but this is pretty on point lol.
I realize the Penguins haven't had the most glorious coaches in the world but this "best coach in franchise history" stuff is a little weird to me when Herbie and Bowman have both passed through here. Just because Sullivan stuck around for way too long doesn't make him amazing. It means he stuck around for a really long time.
JT Miller's gone, EP40 is on rocky ground, Tocchet's done with that org's shit, Quinn Hughes seems really interested in playing in NJ with his two bothers once his deal's up.
Man, Vancouver's f***ed, huh?![]()
If Sullivan was fired when he should've been fired, people's opinions of him would be drastically different. Every coach runs their course. Even the greatest of them. Some go on to other teams and start winning again. This isn't something new.Comparing Bylsma and Sullivan while completely ignoring that Bylsma had Crosby, Malkin and Letang at their best while Sullivan didn't is one of the most disingenuous arguments I've seen on here.
Let's be real: Bylsma was not a better coach than Sullivan.
The thing that sucks about comparing Bylsma and Sullivan is that they're both shit coaches. Bylsma's a f***ing moron. Sullivan may be a smart coach, but his ego torpedoes any and all smarts inside that colossal head of his. In the end, they take different paths, but they both arrive at the same destination; dogshit coaches.
The thing that sucks about comparing Bylsma and Sullivan is that they're both shit coaches. Bylsma's a f***ing moron. Sullivan may be a smart coach, but his ego torpedoes any and all smarts inside that colossal head of his. In the end, they take different paths, but they both arrive at the same destination; dogshit coaches.
Yeah, I think the real comparable between the two is that they happened to be "breath of fresh air after a stifling predecessor at HC" guys who happened to luck their way into a core of HHOF players with huge chips on their shoulders.I guess what I'm driving at is what actual evidence do we have that Sullivan IS a "great coach that just got stale?"
Like people are pushing back on this but they aren't actually bring much in the way of receipts to me, here.
Yeah, I think the real comparable between the two is that they happened to be "breath of fresh air after a stifling predecessor at HC" guys who happened to luck their way into a core of HHOF players with huge chips on their shoulders.
I think without more data of his overall coaching career, we can't really do anything but make assumptions.I guess what I'm driving at is what actual evidence do we have that Sullivan IS a "great coach that just got stale?"
Like people are pushing back on this but they aren't actually bringing much in the way of receipts to me, here.
We have literally a like year and a half of evidence going on a decade ago and a bunch of short, sporadic bursts of competency, since. That isn't much to go on, guys.
Mike Sullivan did not have better rosters. This is nonsense.Dan Bylsma (with Pens)
Regular season: .668.
The WORST season we had with him was .616 (101 points). Never even came to missing the playoffs, not even when Malkin and Crosby missed half the season in the same year.
Playoffs: .551
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Mike Sullivan
Regular season: .602
Had better rosters than Bylsma on average. Missed the playoffs 3 times, including multiple years with healthy cores.
Playoffs: .537. 5-16 since 2019.
The most overrated goddamn coach I've seen in my life. He had front-loaded great results and then coasted on it for like 7 years. He's not even better than Bylsma, who people notoriously mock.
Best coach in Penguins history? f*** off. We had Bowman.
I think without more data of his overall coaching career, we can't really do anything but make assumptions.
Yeah, I'm making shit up without evidence because there really isn't any at this point. But that doesn't mean it's not a heavily educated guess lol. That's my read on him as a man and a coach. Time will tell.
Did I want him gone? Yeah. Did I want him gone like 3 years ago? Hell yeah. Do I think he's some shit coach that can't to good elsewhere? No. There's plenty of coaches that go around the carousel and do just as much and then outstay their welcome after a few years.
Crosby and Malkin were both past their peaks when Sullivan took over. Bylsma inherited a 21 yo Crosby and a 22 yo MalkinFor real. I don't get it. Both had B2B Cup Finals, Sullivan benefited from having a Sid and Geno at the top of their game instead of being a few seasons into the league. And yet, one is the great hero of our times and the other is a punchline.
I've been saying for years that coaches are overrated as all hell when it comes to being tacticians.Very true! Sullivan DID provide that relief same as Disco before him. And that's not nothing.
But like... I could just hire a comedian or a good conversationalist that knows f***-all about the sport and he could have probably done about the same thing yeah? Just have some guy come in and be like "lol f*** that guy anyway what a uptight dork amirite?!? Lets go play some ice whiffleball!" and go from there? Like clearly I'm exaggerating but by how much?
Never say never@HandshakeLine's baby will never live in a world with Mike Sullivan as the Pens head coach.
That's beautiful.