Confirmed with Link: Penguins acquire conditional first round pick, three players for Pettersson and O'Connor

[cygnus47]

My contention was always that Pettersson+DOC could return a first. I thought there would be 50% retention which I would have preferred over taking Heinen and Desharnais. Fernstrom seems like a Cruz level prospect so we can wait and see. 2024 3rd is not the worst addition. So really, DOC+Petts for 1st+3rd is about right in line with history. Just bummed about taking back that much cap vs retention.

But that leads to another interesting discussion - we have an extra retention slot. I'm wondering if Dubas made this deal taking back Heinen and Desharnais was to keep that slot open.

Looking at the 1st, top 13 protected, we can look towards a guy like Carter Bear or Ivan Ryabkin which would be an excellent addition. Or, as others have said, if it pushed to 2026...that could be interesting. Maybe the hockey gods shine upon us and we get a Ottawa-Colorado or Ottawa-SJS situation where it turns into a high pick.

Maybe. You never know with NYR though, a big name could just decide they've always wanted to live in NYR and turn it around completely.

Still, a 1st is great. If Petts was playing well this year it'd still be a good return.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Petts needed to not be re-signed, so cool

DOC is whatever

But we got some useless shit back in this trade, too

Dubas just a lukewarm dealer on lukewarm team

It's a shame he won't hire a GM, but then again we likely know why he won't because a new GM will fire the coach.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

So if it ends up being a 2026 pick, will the placement of that one be dependent on the Rangers' standing or the Canucks'?
I would think the latter.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I may hate Dubas, but at least he isn't a completely ego driven f***ing moron like JR..

“We had to give up something to get him, but Marcus is one heck of a defenseman,” Rutherford said. “I traded for him when I was in Pittsburgh, and I’m very happy with how that one turned out. I traded Daniel Sprong for him, and I can still remember people saying, ‘How on earth can you trade Daniel Sprong for this guy?’ Well, I’m pretty darn happy with how that worked out. How good did that trade work out? And here we are again. We need an upgrade, and he’s going to give us that. I know that he will.”

Jesus christ.

lol trading with JR is like the trade tutorial in Chel.

So if it ends up being a 2026 pick, will the placement of that one be dependent on the Rangers' standing or the Canucks'?
I would think the latter.

I thought it was the 1st they gave up for JT Miller, no?

 

[Gurglesons]

So if it ends up being a 2026 pick, will the placement of that one be dependent on the Rangers' standing or the Canucks'?
I would think the latter.

it's just the rangers conditions on the miller trade from what we have gotten so far.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Maybe. You never know with NYR though, a big name could just decide they've always wanted to live in NYR and turn it around completely.

Still, a 1st is great. If Petts was playing well this year it'd still be a good return.

Canucks are desperate. They had issues with Miller and Petts and then their defense needed depth and the ones Allvin got weren't good at all in that system, then Demko has been worse than Jarry and Ned since he returned and is stuck with an injury that surgery won't fix. That first is either a 14-20th which is fine or its lower next year. That's whatever.

Nothing about this trade is insanely good or bad. In the end they're now stuck with Desharnais and Heinen for an additional season each being coached by one of the worst coaches in the league the last 3 seasons. So their value will be far worse even if they're peddled at the deadline next year as impending free agents.

Take whatever wins you lot want out of anything to make the medicine go down smoother I suppose.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

lol trading with JR is like the trade tutorial in Chel.


I thought it was the 1st they gave up for JT Miller, no?

Okay. Didn't even know Miller was traded. I'm catching up.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

So if it ends up being a 2026 pick, will the placement of that one be dependent on the Rangers' standing or the Canucks'?
I would think the latter.

It's the protected Rangers pick.

If that pick is top 13 in 2025, it's automatically a 2026 1st unprotected. Rangers will rebound just enough to be out of the top 13 so the pick will be this year.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Okay. Didn't even know Miller was traded. I'm catching up.

Hi Mr. Current Events! We have such wonders to show you!

 

[BusinessGoose]

Hi Mr. Current Events! We have such wonders to show you!

TBF, even if Miller was in the lineup, we wouldn't have realized he ever left it

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Petts needed to not be re-signed, so cool

DOC is whatever

But we got some useless shit back in this trade, too

Dubas just a lukewarm dealer on lukewarm team

Nothing in this trade matters besides the 1st rounder.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Nothing in this trade matters besides the 1st rounder.

We'll see how that goes

I'm like B- right now, potential for A- or C

 

[HandshakeLine]

We'll see how that goes

I'm like B- right now, potential for A- or C

yeah, good work but nothing spectacular yet. I feel like grade inflation is just out of hand these days.

 

[Gurglesons]

We'll see how that goes

I'm like B- right now, potential for A- or C

How is it a B-?

We got a 1st and a 3rd for Petts and DOC.

Dubas doesn't give a shit about the immediate future. This is a huge win.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I would do more B myself, but I rarely give As except for exceptional work.

 

[Lara Emily]

Petts needed to not be re-signed, so cool

DOC is whatever

But we got some useless shit back in this trade, too

Dubas just a lukewarm dealer on lukewarm team

Because that's how you get a 1st for two UFAs you just blatantly, correctly, called discardable

 

[HandshakeLine]

I hope we can turn every ufa on this team into at least a first!

 

[Smasher]

I hope we can turn every ufa on this team into at least a first!

I'm confident some of them can indeed return a 0st!

 

[3074326]

Take whatever wins you lot want out of anything to make the medicine go down smoother I suppose.

It's a rebuilding move for a rebuilding team. The exact move that should be made. It's Petts for a 1st, that's the medicine we need.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Petts needed to not be re-signed, so cool

DOC is whatever

But we got some useless shit back in this trade, too

Dubas just a lukewarm dealer on lukewarm team

1st + 3rd for Petts and DOC?

What can't we just be happy about that.

Vincent Desharnais is a bottom pair D. Makes 2 million. If he sucks so bad we bury him in AHL for only 700k cap hit one year.

Or straight up any team that needs a bottom vet D for future considerations next year. Teams eat that up.

Heinen - 2.25 million is definitely rough next year but again teams sign guys like this and for 1 year he can either be traded or play or be scratched. Again AHL means he's only a 925k hit.

We didn't use the 50% slot which means if we move off of Bunting we can use it.

 

[BusinessGoose]

B/A: Rangers’ 2025 first-round pick (conditional)... If you think a 15th place pick is good

C: 3rd round pick... Crapshoot

C: Danton Heinen... inconsistent as f*** and stuck with him on contract

C: Vincent Desharnais.. f***in cap equalizer dump

D: Melvin Fernstrom... Can't skate, can't playmake, already given up on by VAN

A: Marcus Pettersson... totally needed to ditch

B: Drew O’Connor... a sully pet, had some effort though

So, you know... B minus-ish
@Gurglesons @Lara Emily

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Yeah this trade seems like a win. It's a short-term commitment to Heinen and Desharnais. Heinen may play up to 2M next season anyway, and be tradeable at the 2026 deadline.
We escape a useless Petts extension when the team's not ready to win. We don't need to watch DOC fail anymore.
We get a 1st...potentially in an unprotected year, and a 3rd.

I can't ask for much more than that during a season where Petts has fallen off.
I do wonder what the return would have been if we dealt him last summer though.

 

[Gurglesons]

B/A: Rangers’ 2025 first-round pick (conditional)... If you think a 15th place pick is good

C: Danton Heinen... inconsistent as f*** and stuck with him on contract

C: Vincent Desharnais.. f***in cap equalizer dump

D: Melvin Fernstrom... Can't skate, can't playmake, already given up on by VAN

A: Marcus Pettersson... totally needed to ditch

B: Drew O’Connor... a sully pet, had some effort though

So, you know... B minus-ish
@Gurglesons @Lara Emily

Caring about Heinen and Desharnais is pointless if Dubas’ goal is to suck next year.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Caring about Heinen and Desharnais is pointless if Dubas’ goal is to suck next year.

You asked for my analysis. That's it. You can weight the trade how you want.

I weight it as, there could be an okay first maybe sorta. 3rds are footnotes on Wikipedia pages. And the players we got are trash.

If a first rounder on a team that might not even finish worse than us, and a third off VAN, gets you feeling jiggy, then rock on through the weekend, brother.


... Oh amazing, Fermstromming *is* the third rounder referenced lol, so we don't even get a third lol what an odd tweet that was

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Heinen - 2.25 million is definitely rough next year

Maybe, maybe not. He fluctuates between bad and good.
36 points in 2023-24. +16. 17 goals.
He's turning 30 this summer. Too early for his body to fail him probably.

I'll put it this way... Heinen has a much greater chance of playing up to his contract than Acciari.

With how stripped our roster will be, I won't be surprised if he gets a fair amount of top-six time.