Peak and Prime Malkin vs Draisaitl

[Corto]

Of course Malkin's season was better, he was literally the only 100 point player in the league. Draisaitl's was better also quite easily. 05-06 was a very high scoring year, and Jagr didn't even win the art ross. There were 7 100 point scorers, and when Eric Staal is hitting 100, 123 isn't that impressive.

In their careers 98-99 Jagr has the best season of them all, truly dominant. But 05-06 is not even close to the best seasons post lockout.

Jagr's 05-06 season was the biggest carry job this side of the 04-05 lockout. I dunno, I started following in the early 90s, and I can't think of a carry job in that tier at all - not even close.

An ancient Michael Nylander and Martin Straka, rookie Petr Prucha and Rucinsky, Dominic Moore... A ridiculed Marek Malik and Michal Rozsival as the top defensive pairing. Rookie Fedor Tyutin and Dan Girardi as the 2nd pairing etc.
And Kevin Weekes splitting time with rooke Lundqvist in goal.

Hell yeah, Jagr's season is more impressive than Malkin totalling 109 pts on a championship contending team featuring Crosby, Letang, etc. (regardless of injuries).

They (the Rangers) were picked to finished DEAD LAST in the league. And if Jagr hadn't injured his shoulder a few game before the season was done, who knows how it ends up.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Jagr's 05-06 season was the biggest carry job this side of the 04-05 lockout. I dunno, I started following in the early 90s, and I can't think of a carry job in that tier at all - not even close.

An ancient Michael Nylander and Martin Straka, rookie Petr Prucha and Rucinsky, Dominic Moore... A ridiculed Marek Malik and Michal Rozsival as the top defensive pairing. Rookie Fedor Tyutin and Dan Girardi as the 2nd pairing etc.
And Kevin Weekes splitting time with rooke Lundqvist in goal.

Hell yeah, Jagr's season is more impressive than Malkin totalling 109 pts on a championship contending team featuring Crosby, Letang, etc. (regardless of injuries).

They (the Rangers) were picked to finished DEAD LAST in the league. And if Jagr hadn't injured his shoulder a few game before the season was done, who knows how it ends up.

I think you're probably the only one on the site that thinks that. It was impressive no doubt, but it was nowhere near as dominant as a number of seasons that came afterwards. The stats clearly tell the story.

A playoff berth and getting swept in the first round being that impressive says more about how sad the Rangers were.

 

[Canovin]

How many more 50 goals and 100 points seasons does Drai need to have a better prime than Malkin? lol

 

[dirtydanglez]

drai for both

 

[authentic]

Of course Malkin's season was better, he was literally the only 100 point player in the league. Draisaitl's was better also quite easily. 05-06 was a very high scoring year, and Jagr didn't even win the art ross. There were 7 100 point scorers, and when Eric Staal is hitting 100, 123 isn't that impressive.

In their careers 98-99 Jagr has the best season of them all, truly dominant. But 05-06 is not even close to the best seasons post lockout.

That season was pretty damn good but not as good as Malkin’s. Him and Thornton at his absolute peak were a cut above the rest of the league that season, all in all I think Jagr was the best player in the world that year and I would take that Jagr over any iteration of Draisaitl we’ve seen so far but certainly not over Malkin at his peak. I still don’t think a lot of people fully realize how dominant peak Malkin actually was.

 

[authentic]

IIRC Ovechkin was even further ahead after 52 games in 2009-10, on a per game basis atleast.

Ovechkin was 26 and 58% ahead after 52 games in 2009-10.

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?r...&sort=points,goals,assists&page=0&pageSize=50

Forsberg for a 74 game stretch from 2002-03 to 03-04 was 27 and 52% ahead.

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?r...eType=2&sort=pointsPerGame&page=0&pageSize=50

 

[Regal]

That season was pretty damn good but not as good as Malkin’s. Him and Thornton at his absolute peak were a cut above the rest of the league that season, all in all I think Jagr was the best player in the world that year and I would take that Jagr over any iteration of Draisaitl we’ve seen so far but certainly not over Malkin at his peak. I still don’t think a lot of people fully realize how dominant peak Malkin actually was.

I think it’s pretty close to Drai’s. Obviously not as dominant offensively in terms of production, but Jagr also didn’t have an elite offensive teammate, and was still a ridiculous possession player

 

[sufferer]

Malkin

 

[Video Nasty]

I think you're probably the only one on the site that thinks that. It was impressive no doubt, but it was nowhere near as dominant as a number of seasons that came afterwards. The stats clearly tell the story.

A playoff berth and getting swept in the first round being that impressive says more about how sad the Rangers were.

Actually, the stats do tell an interesting story.

Jagr factored in on 123 of 250 NYR goals (49.2%). He scored 54 of them (21.6%).

He was 44 points clear of his closest teammate. He had more goals than his next two closest teammates combined.

Rangers had 3 other 20 goal scorers and 7 other 30 point scorers.

In comparison, Malkin factored in on 109 of Pittsburgh’s 273 goals (40%). He scored 50 of them (18.3%).

He was 28 points clear of his closest teammate.

Penguins had 4 other 20 goal scorers and 9 other 30 point scorers.

Sprinkle in a dash of one player doing his damage at 33 versus 25 and touching on your dismissal of the Rangers getting swept in the first round by the higher seed while the Penguins quickly fell behind 3-0 to the lower seed, and it could be a more interesting discussion than first glance suggests.

Just because Jagr only picked up the Pearson doesn’t disqualify his season from consideration. It’s more than possible for two or three players from one season to all have a better season than one player from another season.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Edge to Malkin for peak, but Drai's prime has been longer and better IMO.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Actually, the stats do tell an interesting story.

Jagr factored in on 123 of 250 NYR goals (49.2%). He scored 54 of them (21.6%).

He was 44 points clear of his closest teammate. He had more goals than his next two closest teammates combined.

Rangers had 3 other 20 goal scorers and 7 other 30 point scorers.

In comparison, Malkin factored in on 109 of Pittsburgh’s 273 goals (40%). He scored 50 of them (18.3%).

He was 28 points clear of his closest teammate.

Penguins had 4 other 20 goal scorers and 9 other 30 point scorers.

Sprinkle in a dash of one player doing his damage at 33 versus 25 and touching on your dismissal of the Rangers getting swept in the first round by the higher seed while the Penguins quickly fell behind 3-0 to the lower seed, and it could be a more interesting discussion than first glance suggests.

Just because Jagr only picked up the Pearson doesn’t disqualify his season from consideration. It’s more than possible for two or three players from one season to all have a better season than one player from another season.

That only says he was more important to the Rangers. Not how dominant he was relative to the league. It's a silly comparison, Malkin's season was clearly superior.

 

[daver]

How many more 50 goals and 100 points seasons does Drai need to have a better prime than Malkin? lol

Maybe if 50 goals and 100 points was as impressive a feat as it was during most of Malkin's prime.

 

[Video Nasty]

Maybe if 50 goals and 100 points was as impressive a feat as it was during most of Malkin's prime.

There’s been eight 50 goal/100 point seasons since Draisaitl entered the league.

He has three of them and is well on his way to a fourth.

 

[Canovin]

Maybe if 50 goals and 100 points was as impressive a feat as it was during most of Malkin's prime.

Missing 20 games each seasons?

 

[McFlash97]

You must also think Jari Kurri is better than Gordie Howe.

LOL

you compared Malkin to Howe then followed up with Kurri. Who was Better than Malkin. Confused.... You smokin something ?

 

[McFlash97]

Of course Malkin's season was better, he was literally the only 100 point player in the league. Draisaitl's was better also quite easily. 05-06 was a very high scoring year, and Jagr didn't even win the art ross. There were 7 100 point scorers, and when Eric Staal is hitting 100, 123 isn't that impressive.

In their careers 98-99 Jagr has the best season of them all, truly dominant. But 05-06 is not even close to the best seasons post lockout.

Malkin was an enigmatic talented 6'4 inch Russian Robin. Robin to OV in Russia, then Robin to Crosby in Pittsburgh. Dam good one, but nowhere near Jagr, or McDavid, and I dont think hes at Peak Leon Draisaitl level your seeing now. Sorry bro.

Guys like Malkin had 5 or 6 really good offensive years but guys like Draisaitl could go for 10 plus. On top of being the greatest playoff PPG player other than Wayne Fn Gretzky.

 

[Jack Spider]

Someone's probably already said it in the 5 pages. Those 2 have a unique style that they share and anyone can tell who they are if they had a different jerseys/numbers. I think it's the shoulders and the way they look at the play ? Malkin for peak and because of injuries, Drai for prime.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Malkin was an enigmatic talented 6'4 inch Russian Robin. Robin to OV in Russia, then Robin to Crosby in Pittsburgh. Dam good one, but nowhere near Jagr, or McDavid, and I dont think hes at Peak Leon Draisaitl level your seeing now. Sorry bro.

Guys like Malkin had 5 or 6 really good offensive years but guys like Draisaitl could go for 10 plus. On top of being the greatest playoff PPG player other than Wayne Fn Gretzky.

Funny you mention that in this thread. Of all the guys you mentioned the only one that hasn't dominated by himself is Draisatil. Great player, but the ultimate Robin.

 

[Three On Zero]

How many more 50 goals and 100 points seasons does Drai need to have a better prime than Malkin? lol

Maybe a few good seasons without being stapled to McDavid would be a starting point.

 

[McFlash97]

Maybe a few good seasons without being stapled to McDavid would be a starting point.

the lack of basic hockey knowledge is on full display here. Tell us you don't watch Draisaitl by not telling us .....

How are the Canucks doing ? can't wait to turnstile Quinn Hughes again in the playoffs...... wait nevermind.

 

[Three On Zero]

the lack of basic hockey knowledge is on full display here. Tell us you don't watch Draisaitl by not telling us .....

How are the Canucks doing ? can't wait to turnstile Quinn Hughes again in the playoffs...... wait nevermind.

Judging by the votes, my assessment isn’t far off.

 

[BertMcDrai]

Funny you mention that in this thread. Of all the guys you mentioned the only one that hasn't dominated by himself is Draisatil. Great player, but the ultimate Robin.

Draisaitl is almost 2.0ppg without McD even in the lineup dating back to 2019/20...you can check if you want, it's not his fault McD isn't as injury proned as Crosby back in the days.

And as I mentioned before, in Malkins MVP 08/09 season Crosby was on the ice for more than 60% of the goals for of Malkin..it's one of those HFmyths that he has done it all on his own back then...I don't mind that he has a huge point sharing with Crosby but everyone has when it comes to Drai and McD for no reason.

 

[daver]

Draisaitl is almost 2.0ppg without McD even in the lineup dating back to 2019/20...you can check if you want, it's not his fault McD isn't as injury proned as Crosby back in the days.

And as I mentioned before, in Malkins MVP 08/09 season Crosby was on the ice for more than 60% of the goals for of Malkin..it's one of those HFmyths that he has done it all on his own back then...I don't mind that he has a huge point sharing with Crosby but everyone has when it comes to Drai and McD for no reason.

Actually, Malkin's MVP season was 2012 but here are relevant stats:

Total point shares with Crosby in the '08 and '09 playoffs - 18 out of 58 points (31%)
Total points shares with Crosby in the 08/09 regular season - 53 out of 113 (47%)
Total point shares with Crosby in the 11/12 regular season - 14 out of 109 (13%)

Draisaitl

Total point shares with McDavid in the '22, '23 and '24 playoffs - 47 out of 81 points (58%)
Total points shares with McDavid in the 19/20 regular season - 53 out of 110 (48%)
Total point shares with Crosby in the 24/25 regular season - 32 out of 59 (54%)

Malkin's peak season, one that is clearly better than Drai's best season, came with little help from Crosby and he as dominant in the playoffs offensively with clearly less help from Crosby.

 

[BertMcDrai]

Actually, Malkin's MVP season was 2012 but here are relevant stats:

Total point shares with Crosby in the '08 and '09 playoffs - 18 out of 58 points (31%)
Total points shares with Crosby in the 08/09 regular season - 53 out of 113 (47%)
Total point shares with Crosby in the 11/12 regular season - 14 out of 109 (13%)

Draisaitl

Total point shares with McDavid in the '22, '23 and '24 playoffs - 47 out of 81 points (58%)
Total points shares with McDavid in the 19/20 regular season - 53 out of 110 (48%)
Total point shares with Crosby in the 24/25 regular season - 32 out of 59 (54%)

Malkin's peak season, one that is clearly better than Drai's best season, came with little help from Crosby and he as dominant in the playoffs offensively with clearly less help from Crosby

Crosby was in the ice for 48% of his points in 08/09 the playoffs and 59% in the regular season...McD was on the ice for 58% of Drais points in 19/20 regular season...so it's identical...you are just excluding third assists etc.
But time on the ice together makes much more sense.
In 08/09 Malkin has almost identical numbers to Drai in 19/20 when sharing the ice with Crosby and McDavid.
08/09 wasn't better than Drai 19/20.

And keep in mind Malkin had prime James Neal on his line 2011/12 who was over PPG in this season.

 

[Albatros]

Prime is Draisaitl, that's not really debatable. Peak is a bit more complicated due to a shortened season, but given that he outscored Malkin either way I'd give that to Draisaitl as well.